Setting up dial-up (fairly simple)

Now my friend doesn't know how to set up a dial-up connection, as he got broadband with his new computer, that is crazy!! I love using dial-up, sure cable is fine when I need to download something, but dial-up is good for more than one reason.
1. It lags. Yes, I like the lag, I play a couple of online games, and the lag makes me much harder to kill :3pow:
2. Anonymity, you been making some enemies in those 1337 hax0r chans on IRC? If you are being attacked, or if you have a trojan on your computer than you have no idea how to remove, so you need to log on to the net to find out, then dial-up will offer more protection as it assigns to a different IP address each time logon. (Dynamic IP service) Or if somebody is trying to DDoS or DoS then reconnecting may help you avoid those bandwidth attacks. :ubergun:
3. THE BEST REASON FOR A DIAL-UP ISPs IS: SHELLS! Many dial-up ISPs offer shell accounts, either for free, if you ask or for a small fee. Most broadband ISPs don't offer this because with broadband, you can cause a lot of mayhem, or maybe, like my cable ISP, they don't use a unix server to offer a shell account to. (DAMN SHAW! Doesn't use unix!)
4. And the final good reason I can think of for using dial-up is: FREE!! There are free dial-up ISPs that are spread all over north america. I don't know about other countries but I am sure that there are some everywhere. The 2 main ones are Juno and Netzero, they have merged, but I use juno and haven't noticed any actual difference, in access numbers or anything like that. And though they use banners :confused: (there are ways to get around them, though I don't like that as these companies provide a valuable service and I hope they continue to do so)
And one thing I want to get out of the way are war dialers. I just want to spend like 2 seconds explaining them, so plz bear with me here if you know all about 'em. War dialers call up a crapload'a numbers checking for a certain tone that sounds if there is a server on the other end and not somebody who can *69 yo ass! War dialers used to be very useful for finding BBSs etc. All that really old 80s/early 90s internet stuff. Now there isn't much point to it.

Anyways, goto your "my computer icon", click "dial-up networking" (You must have a modem to do this) and then click on "make a new connection". I only don't know if this works for XP as I don't have it and have never used it. Just add in your access number, and user name, then finish it, and then add in your password when you try to connect. So easy huh? Well, you know have the power to flame until the sun goes down on IRC. Use it wisely my son.

P.S. Sorry, this tutorial is kinda lame, but I just wanted to spread the word about the miracle of dial-up.

Hehe, I agree with and like some of your views. Funny, but nice, tute. :)

Dial up is not so safe, your IP may be random but you are still within a scope and well at least my firewall can see both modem access IP's but eve humm go figure a cable modem name. Thing is Hacking begain when it was a bunch of dot edu's and a few dot com's. Most then knew whom each was and systems (networks) a ok lets see what we can do. Now it is open game and I gotta play like it or not. Do Not think a dial up makes you safe cause it is a myth. Sure get banned call up the ISP get a new IP..clue dialup or modem all syatems now filter users and activities like port scans why? Caune if they do not control illigal activity and are banned by ligit people and networks none of their users will have access to squat.

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Most broadband ISPs don't offer this because with broadband, you can cause a lot of mayhem,

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Your type of connection really has nothing to do at all with why ISP's dont provide shell accounts. With a shell acount, all your internet connection is doing is passing fairly small ammounts of text back and forth, for commands you type, and then back to show you output for those commands. A cable connection to your shell account would only allow you to execute a small amount more commands per minute than would a 56k modem connection.

The speed of your connection to the shell certainly matters a bit, as it will take longer for commands to pass back and forth on a dialup, but, all commands which require internet access are using the shell server's network connection, and not yours.

Shell accounts are hard to find because they open an ISP up to lots of liability if that shell account is used for illicit purposes. Also, due to the low number of people who want them, maintaining shell accounts does not make economic sense for most ISP's. Also, why use a shell account when you could run linux on a seperate partition on your machine? or, you could use cygwin for lots of the *nix experience on windows, there are several other options as well.

Actually, broadband ISPs are connected to the internet by a more powerful connection, as they have to split that connection up and dial-up ISPs are connected by a less powerful connection. Or so I have heard, I may be wrong, i was reading up on some online shells and stuff, so I may be wrong.

Trust me, I know that the speed from the user to their shell is negligable as nothing big is sent over the net. But I doubt some mom&pop dial-up ISP/shell provider is going to use an OC3 line, and get 45megabits when they have users that can only use 2 1/2 megabits, but cable ISPs need to provide more bandwidth, they need to set up some serious internet backbones, so if a shell provides access to something like that, and some guy logs in and types "ping antionline.com -t" or something, (I don't know the unix equivalent to the "-t" command) then he can do more damage as he is using a crazy ass 45megabit connection, and the kid using the mom&pop shell is only able to ping twice before he temporarily drains all the bandwidth from mom&pop.

i love dail-up connection, cos using dail-up connections you can manipulate lots of things on net, get new IP, Do lots of tricks, also serves alot, when using Sendmail:) to fake ya mails cos of the Random IP.

Man, these kiddies have it easy now.. I'm sure a bunch of you remember BBS.... Now were going to have kiddies saying "What is Dial Up"

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Originally posted here by khakisrule
Trust me, I know that the speed from the user to their shell is negligable as nothing big is sent over the net. But I doubt some mom&pop dial-up ISP/shell provider is going to use an OC3 line, and get 45megabits when they have users that can only use 2 1/2 megabits, but cable ISPs need to provide more bandwidth, they need to set up some serious internet backbones, so if a shell provides access to something like that, and some guy logs in and types "ping antionline.com -t" or something, (I don't know the unix equivalent to the "-t" command) then he can do more damage as he is using a crazy ass 45megabit connection, and the kid using the mom&pop shell is only able to ping twice before he temporarily drains all the bandwidth from mom&pop.

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Well I work for a company that provides dial up and cable internet services, they run both off of the same back bone and servers. It really depends on the size of the dial up isp that you are connected to and how many users they are supporting.
But I don't mean to pick a fight or start some 733T HAXOR flaming LOL ehhe
But how is two 32 byte pings going to drain a 56 kilo byte connection?
I dunno I used to be on some small dial up isp and I have never had that poblem.

Oh yea just one more thing cable internet back bones are a little bigger then 45 megs, I'll check up on the exact number for you I think I have it some where here,

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Originally posted here by Palemoon
...all syatems now filter users and activities like port scans.....

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Are port scans illegial or something? Or is it just that some ISP's don't like you doin that through their network?

-Mike

I think that broadband services that don't offer a shell account do it for the same reasons as some Dial-up ISP's don't offer shell accounts. They don't really want their customers fooling around with it. Sought of along the lines of leaving a loaded gun around the house I guess. Shame really.

Actually legacy, I was just using OC3 as an exmaple. I know that cable internet providers use more than 45 megs.

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Well I work for a company that provides dial up and cable internet services, they run both off of the same back bone and servers

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Well, that tech humour post today confirmed it for me. I did some research on this a while back when I first wrote this tutorial, and that just isn't true. Most dial-up ISPs are connected by T1 or something a little higher. Cable ISPs have much more bandwidth at their disposal. Besides that tech humour post, there was one a while back from a person running an ISP called r.i.p which was also using T1 fiber optic. At the time of this post, I took it, now I am wondering do you have any proof to back up your post? BTW thanks for bringing this up yanksfan, I had decided to post this and bring this tutorial up, and I went through 11 pages of posts looking for it, and then I found it on the front page, lol, thanks.

khakisrule'

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Most dial-up ISPs are connected by T1 or something a little higher. Cable ISPs have much more bandwidth at their disposal. Besides that tech humour post, there was one a while back from a person running an ISP called r.i.p which was also using T1 fiber optic.

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I am the Regional director for RIP Internet, I posted the tech humor post....I am still laughing at that.

There are 2 other ISPs in my area that are just using analog T1s one of whom is linking other towns by wireless 802.11b. 2 analog T1s spread out among four towns, his customers are complaining loudly about slow speeds, duh!.

1 T1 is good enough to allow 24 56k modems 56k of band width, I have 2 fiber T1s ( digital vs analog ) on 48 digital modems, 96 more ready to go when we need them. Our customers have never seen dial-up speeds like we can offer.

This other ISP has 4 towns on his 48 antique analog modem banks ( a box with 48 pc modem cards plugged in ) and sharing his meager bandwidth 24 more analog modems in each of the four other towns. :rofl:

Also we had 2 DCS ( again digital ) circuits installed supplying 48 incoming lines for our subscribers.

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Originally posted here by Fakeboy
Man, these kiddies have it easy now.. I'm sure a bunch of you remember BBS.... Now were going to have kiddies saying "What is Dial Up"

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I remember my old BBS crawling days, playing LORD getting my tradewars on and when there were like 10 people logged on playing a wicked fast 14.4 game of doom. Ahh there's some nestalgia for me.

Sure, cable providers have larger pipes, they also share it with more end users. That brings the amount you get down as more users are online. The answer here I think is that the larger the pipe, the faster the upload/download. If you are sending ping requests, the needed bw is small per terminal. That is why ddos uses many hundreds of terminals to send small pings. Like a rain shower flooding the Miss. River.

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Man, these kiddies have it easy now.. I'm sure a bunch of you remember BBS.... Now were going to have kiddies saying "What is Dial Up"

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that's almost true, unless of course they live in the middle of nowhere and the only thing they can have is...*gulp*dialup....i remember way back when(for me) i could dial in with my amazing 14.4 and play prodigy...of course i was only 4 so i wasnt very good but, hey, we all gotta start somewhere :D just wish i could be 10 yrs older, then i would have got to really experience the beginning of the mainstream computer age...blame it on dell, thats why the 'net is polluted with lamers and little kids/parents that don't know what they are doing and just take up bandwidth from others that need it...

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Originally posted here by aeallison
This other ISP has 4 towns on his 48 antique analog modem banks ( a box with 48 pc modem cards plugged in )

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Lol, I would hate to be one of his customers! With analogue modems, what's the most a user could possibly get? Probally around 3600 Kbps... Talk about "Mom and Pop" ISP!

Hey, maybe I'll install a few modems in my home PC, and charge people to dial in and share my cable modem! :)

--Sudo

Sudo,

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Lol, I would hate to be one of his customers! With analogue modems, what's the most a user could possibly get? Probally around 3600 Kbps... Talk about "Mom and Pop" ISP!

Hey, maybe I'll install a few modems in my home PC, and charge people to dial in and share my cable modem!

--Sudo

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Great idea, do you really think you could pull it off...lol :umph:
( It might pay the cable bill )

zepherin,

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I remember my old BBS crawling days, playing LORD getting my tradewars on and when there were like 10 people logged on playing a wicked fast 14.4 game of doom. Ahh there's some nestalgia for me.

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Do you remember the "Not-Yet-Named BBS" or "The Technical Realm BBS" or maybe "Northstar BBS"...."The Game Land of Devistation" I actually bought a lifetime subscription to NYNBBS and the game LOD. I built the Tech Realm BBS with a couple 286s with 4mb ram and two 40mb hard drives ( could not even phathom the tought of a whole Gigabyte ) in Missouri, USA, and the Northstar BBS was built by my partner in Fremont California, USA. We had a FIDO mail setup (like todays e-mail) between our systems that would call one another and transfer the mail on a schedule. We paid the long distance bill by offering subscriptions to our mail system. Cool huh? You might say that we are a couple of the original pioneers who wove the first few strands of the internet.

Sheesh! I had forgotten all that stuff....writing batch files, creating little basic proggies to parse file folders....excuse me....directories.

60 if x=6 then goto 100
70 if x=7 then goto 90
80 else if x<2 then end
90 print, "This is my computer";goto 100
100 end

eee-gadz I am sinking into the past, my hair is getting longer , (and darker), wow black light posters and strobelights.....sinking....oh no! my computer is a Radio Shack Color Computer, I belong to a club called the coco-nuts.....arrgghh!! :wow:

hehehehe

Another good tutorial, khakisrule. FYI, setup in XP for a dial-up connection did not change much at all from previous versions.

Thanks. You have XP. I envy you, it turns out my computer won't be coming, I decided to cancel the order because when I asked for more info on the computer, the e-mail I got back was full of dead links. Didn't trust that. XP must be nice. Youse be lucky. T1 lines be sweet. And ae. do you offer shell accounts?

haha yeah, I got a Radeon 8500 and I sent the card back in because it failed and it was still under warranty, during the time I sent it in and the time they received it, they went bankrupt. Moral of the story: Pay the extra few bucks and go with a more well known company, and BTW: this company was found on pricewatch! :\

Sorry, no shell accounts khakisrule. Standard Dial-up w\1 e-mail addy $17.95 a month.

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