George Carlin on Religion

http://css.peak.org/newsletter/1997/aug97/carlin.html

"Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money!"

"I credit that eight years of grammar school with nourishing me in a direction where I could trust myself and trust my instincts. They gave me the tools to reject my faith. They taught me to question and think for myself and to believe in my instincts to such an extent that I just said, This is a wonderful fairy tale they have going here, but it's not for me."

"If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else."

"This is a lttle prayer dedicated to the separation of church and state. I guess if they are going to force those kids to pray in schools they might as well have a nice prayer like this: Our Father who art in heaven, and to the republic for which it stands, thy kingdom come, one nation indivisible as in heaven, give us this day as we forgive those who so proudly we hail. Crown thy good into temptation but deliver us from the twilight's last gleaming. Amen and Awomen."

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."

"The only good thing ever to come out of religion was the music."

"I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to 'God' are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."

"I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood".

hahaha.. I love that guy.. I'd die to be as witty as him.

that is funny

I feel sorry for George Carlin. I hope one day he will have faith. I hope he will learn that there is a God who does love him, and who really doesn't want anything from him except a relationship.

religion is a fraud. all it is is a crutch for the weak minded. but i wont get too into this discussion because this is one of those that doesnt end

Um I think, he has realized that there is a god that loves him preacher. . .the sun. . .like he said, it keeps him warm, lets him see, and gives him a pleasant afternoon to play in. . .that is a really good rant though, thanks Greek. . .

"religion is a fraud. all it is is a crutch for the weak minded. but i wont get too into this discussion because this is one of those that doesnt end" (quote)

Yes, it does tend to turn into a never ending debate. But I don't think I am weakminded. I think for myself, and I have been taught to critically examine spiritual claims. I have a Bachelor's Degree and a Master's Degree. Also, I think everyone has a crutch. The difference is my crutch will never let me down. God is real.


"Um I think, he has realized that there is a god that loves him preacher. . .the sun. . .like he said, it keeps him warm, lets him see, and gives him a pleasant afternoon to play in. . .that is a really good rant though, thanks Greek. . ." (quote)

Can the sun love a person? I don't think so. It is part of creation. It is not the Creator. It is a thing. Things don't love. People love. God is a Person. And God loves.

And that takes us back to the first part of yer post, preacher, this would be a never ending arguement, b/c you are stating your beliefs that other people won't necessarily agree with, I know I don't.

"Can the sun love a person? I don't think so." I think the sun has just as much chance of loving something as god does.

"It is part of creation. It is not the Creator." I would have to think that the sun is a large part of creation, atleast for life on this planet. BTW, no theory about evolution or creationism is fact, otherwise it would be a law, once again we come back to you stating that your beliefs are correct and others are wrong.

"It is a thing. Things don't love. People love. God is a Person. And God loves." Many things are wrong with this statement, the main one being that god is a person. . .if god were a person that would make him fallable, and imperfect, god can't be imperfect, or he wouldn't be god, ergo. . .god can not be a person. . .and if people are the only ones who can love, well then god can't love, since he's not person, can he?? Heh heh, sorry I don't mean to offend I'm just stating MY beliefs, just like you.

Who says God is not a Person? He is the only perfect person. Being a person does not make God fallible. We are persons and God is a Person. The only difference is that we sin, and God does not.

Okay, I know I should just quit but, . . .I say that if god is a person he is fallable!! If he is a person, in the common sense, then god would have to have a gender, that in itself would make him imperfect. . .

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Originally posted here by bludgeon
Okay, I know I should just quit but, . . .I say that if god is a person he is fallable!! If he is a person, in the common sense, then god would have to have a gender, that in itself would make him imperfect. . .

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God is not a person in the common sense. He is a person in that He has a willl, a mind, and emotions. This distinguishes God from the "Star Wars" notion of some impersonal "force." God is not a person in the sense that he has a body. Jesus was God in human form, but God does not need a body. Even though we usually refer to God with masculine pronouns, God is neither male nor female. God is in a subset all to Himself. God is God . The German theologian Karl Barth referred to the unique nature of God by saying God is "wholly Other." Meaning in this discussion, I think, that even though we use human concepts and language to refer to God, they always fall far short of describing God.

Well then. . .I thank you for your opinion, but will take it as just that, your opinion. . .I tend to think that god would be more like the force, or mother nature. . .or the radom acts that made this universe come into existence., but that is just MHO.

tough subject. but the Bible holds strong to what it says and all the facts support it. no security holes or flaws in it. my 2 cents.

Nice one GG

TP, I don't belive in ogd for a number of reason's, He/She/It can not be seen, heard etc...why, probably because god isn't there....but if He/She/it is......the all I have to say is; God's Forsaken Us.

Answer me this, What god with a heart would let inocent people die at the hand's of other's when he/she/it is omnipotent (um, hope I got that right) and would not have to stress one bit about it.

Ach.....ppl have a right to belive what they will, and they are free; I choose not to belive, I choose not to follow blindly, for as yet....that's what we'r doing..

- Noia

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"tough subject. but the Bible holds strong to what it says and all the facts support it. no security holes or flaws in it. my 2 cents."

What facts??????
Every "fact" that i have ever heard was pseudoscience
1. Dinosoars were dragons not brought on the ark
2. Foot prints of dinosoars and humans walking side by side. (They would have gotten away with that one if level headed people didnt realized concrete didnt exist back then)
3. The Dead Sea Scrolls which will never be recognized by any organized Christian religion because they state what Jesus really wanted, people to worship god one on one. The church claims that their "investigation" proved these scriptures false.

My experiences with the church have made me a tad bitter, between the constant hypocracies and the false "Holier than thou" additudes I dont know how people can take it. If this makes any sense at all quote me on this: religion is destroying god
Sorry a little off topic again. Feed back is welcomed.

" Answer me this, What god with a heart would let inocent people die at the hand's of other's when he/she/it is omnipotent (um, hope I got that right) and would not have to stress one bit about it.

Ach.....ppl have a right to belive what they will, and they are free"

Ok,
You answered your own question. Yes, God is omnipotent, but at the same time God chose to give human beings freedom. And yes, that means we also have the freedom to do good or evil.
In order that we might not be "puppets," God has given us the freedom to decide how we act. And sometimes our actions hurt others.

Umm, no offense to any of you, but this thread was not made to discuss if there is or isn't a God. If you want to talk about this stuff, I suggest taking it to PM or another service. That's what the new forums are for. Just don't ruin her thread... I really hate opening a thread and everything being off of the topic it was started on, and it happens so freaking much.

This thread is supposed to be funny... yer supposed to laugh, not argue. Come on, you all.

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Originally posted here by jehnx
Umm, no offense to any of you, but this thread was not made to discuss if there is or isn't a God. If you want to talk about this stuff, I suggest taking it to PM or another service. That's what the new forums are for. Just don't ruin her thread... I really hate opening a thread and everything being off of the topic it was started on, and it happens so freaking much.

This thread is supposed to be funny... yer supposed to laugh, not argue. Come on, you all.

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Hi Jehnx,
I hope this doesn't offend you. I felt I needed to say something, so I'm at fault for making this a spiritual discussion. But the topic of the thread is "George Carlin on Religion." It isn't George Carlin on politics, golf, Nascar Racing, etc... but George Carlin on Religion. I realize GG meant this to be funny. However, Mr. Carlin said some things that I do not feel are right, nor are particularly funny. When I feel my beliefs are being ridiculed, I think I should be able to respond.

That's cool man, I'm just saying... well, you know what I'm saying. No offense was meant toward you or anyone else, and I'm closer to believing in what you do than the others, but that's not what matters. I just didn't think you guys should have an all-out discussion in this thread, because that's not what it was made for, ya know? If this were in cosmos, I could see it, but a conversation between two people should be made private IMO. It's cool, though: until GG says something, it's all your choice. :)

I apologize preacherman481 if this post offended you, as it was not how it was intended. I love George Carlin, he's one of my favorite comedians besides Dennis Leary. Comedians are here to make us laugh, but I would not claim them to be prophets by any means, so I really wouldn't take it to heart. It's like giving you a perspective on different things, I'm not a Christian, I'm not anything for that matter, but I respect all religions, and even though I posted a joke such as this, wasn't meant as any disrespect, but just some comedians point of view on things.

Again, I apologize.

I can see both sides on this one....GG made an innocent post to spread some smiles amongst us....greenies for her good effort. When you get right down to it, most comedy is gonna be offensive to someone. My hat's off to you for being woman enough to stand up and apologize for an offense you didn't mean.

Preacherman saw something he believes in, something he loves and takes very seriously, degraded in a manner he found offensive. He stood up for what he believes in, so he gets geenies too. Keep up the faith, Preacherman!

Each and everyone of us has a right to our own opinion, along with the right to express it. But we don't have the right to flame off and get nasty just because someones beliefs differ from our own, and thats exactly where it looks like we are heading. Thats my rant...I'm done now.

Here is something my friend on MSN wrote to me... I believe in god, however I do not believe in religion.. but I'm not sure if this is even a "RELIGION" post, or just to discuss the joke. This is kinda of funny too. I'm not sure where she got it from. I'll have to ask her.

>>> All of this was taken from an MSN conversation.
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"Let me EXPLAIN the problem science has with Jesus Christ" (u're right... but listen). The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
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"Yes, sir."
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"So you believe in God?"
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"Absolutely."
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"Is God good?"
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"Sure! God's good"
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"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
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"Yes."
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"Are you good or evil?"
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"The Bible says I'm evil."
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The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. YOu can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"
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"Yes sir, I would"
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"So you're good..?"
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"I wouldn't say that"
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"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could.. in fact most of us would if we could.. God doesn't."
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[No answer]
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"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmm? Can you answer that one?"
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[No answer]
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The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, young fella."
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"Is God good?"
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"Er.. Yes."
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"Is Satan good?"
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"No."
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"Where does Satan come from?"
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THe student falters. "From .. God"
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"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
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"Yes, sir."
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"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
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"Yes."
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"Who created evil?"
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[No answer[
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"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible thigns - do they exist in this world?"
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The student squirms on his feet. "Yes"
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"Who created them?"
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[No answer]
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The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!" .. THe professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
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[No answer]
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The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.
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Suddenly, the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues, "how is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness
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and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
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[No answer]
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"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"
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Pause.
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"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
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[No answer]
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"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
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The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do"
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The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you seen your Jesus?"
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"No, sir. I've never seen Him."
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"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
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"No, sir. I have not."
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"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"
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[No answer]
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"Answer me, please."
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"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't"
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"You're AFRAID.. you haven't?"
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"No, sir."
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"Yet you still believe in Him?"
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".. yes.."
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"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, restable, demonstrable protocoi, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"
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[The student doesn't answer]
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"Sit down, please."
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The Christian sits.. Defeated.
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Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
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The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."
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The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"
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"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
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"Is there such thing as cold?"
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"Yes, son, there's cold too."
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"No, sir, there isn't."
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The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very still. The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat, or not heat.. but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
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We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, other wise we would be able to go colder then 459-
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458*
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You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."
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Silence. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom
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"Is there such thing as darkenss, professor?"
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darkness*
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"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at..?"
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"So you say there is such thing as darkness?"
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"Yes.."
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"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the *absence* of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.. but if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness isn't it?
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That's the meaning we use to define the word.
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In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you.. give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
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Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"
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"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error..."
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The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? how dare you..!"
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"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
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The class is all ears.
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"Explain.. oh, explain.." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddently he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
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"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life
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is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
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THe young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such thing as immorality?"
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"Of course there is, now look.."
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"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as justice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such thing as evil?"
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The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?"
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The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless.
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The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God.. if He exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil.
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What is that work, God is accomplishing?
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The Bible tells us to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."
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The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice: as a realist. I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
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"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going." the Christian replies. "Newspapers making billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
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"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."
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"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
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THe professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.
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"Professor. Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"
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"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
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"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
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"I believe in what is- that's science!"
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"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin.
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"Sir, you have rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed.."
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"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
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The class is in uproar
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The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"
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The professor wisely keeps silent.
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The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?"
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The class breaks out in laughter.
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The Christan points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain..
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felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?"
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No one appears to have done so.
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The Christian shakes his head sadly. "it appears no one here has any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever.
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Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocoi, scienc, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."
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The class is in chaos
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The Christian sits.. Because that's what a chair is for.
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Originally posted here by exxteck
tough subject. but the Bible holds strong to what it says and all the facts support it. no security holes or flaws in it. my 2 cents.

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you're kidding right?

(George Carlin Rocks!!!! :D :D :D )

That was pretty cute Tuefel, could go a few more rounds though. . .heh heh, the prof coulda cut off the top of his skull and provided the empirical evidence they needed. . .funny though.

Oh yeah, if your still checking this thread jehnx. . .I'd like to say thanks for putting your name by your ap's. . .but if you go back through the posts in this thread you will see preacher went first, then 5150, and then me. . .nothing wrong with my post, maybe not the best show of humour, but hey, it's mine, right. . .I tought the Carlin stuff was hysterical, specially the anthem/prayer, and after reading his rants, and then preachers. . .I typed what I thought and added to the thread. . .that's all it was. . .a single post, no debate. . .in fact the debate didn't start until one post later. . .but, I see, even if I didn't mean it as goofing fun. . .you're allowed to post your opinion at AO, you just have to be the first one to do it in a thread, right??

Hey George a very logically put up words. But religion is a very personal matter, it should be always left with an individual.