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A 7 year old boy earns Microsoft certificate.
http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1104-934468.html
Zuriel
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I looked on the site and did not see this posted anywhere. If is was posted please let me know as I will remove it A.S.A.P.
A 7 year old boy earns Microsoft certificate.
http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1104-934468.html
Zuriel
"We were unable to find the page you requested"
The link you gave doesn't work...
I looked on zdnet and found this link to the same story, it should work... http://zdnet.com.com/2110-1104-934468.html
That's some acheivement!!!
I'm not sure if I'm getting this mixed up with another certification, but isn't the MOUS a pretty easy certification to receive? I mean, it's still impressive that a 7 year old got it, but I thought that it just required you to know the ins and outs of MS Office programs (which, at least in my opinion, isn't too hard... even macros are pretty easy).
AJ
PS: Prankster > The link worked for me... and isn't your link exactly the same as his?
Thanks I fixed it. I just thought wow a 7 year old. Most 7 year olds or out side playing and riding bikes not setting in front of a computer doing a test. Most home users don't even thank know what that test or even how to use most of the stuff on there computter. Cry!! I thank the first time I even seen a computer I was like 14.
Zuriel
And people wonder why the MCSE is basically laughed at as "a certificate of achievement." Isn't the MOUS, like, trivial in-comparison?
Yeah, can't wait for more paper MSCE to come by for interviews.....yeeeheee..
Me- "It says on your resume that you are familiar with Line-x. What's Line-x?"
Interviewee - "It's that operating system written by that penguin, right?"
Me- "yeah, that's it."
Yeah I read that story before. Just one more piece of evidence that INDIA RULES!
That is amazing. Isn't Ankit Fadia from India?
Shiznit. All you would have to do is read your child "Computer Guides" as bed time stories, and by time he is 3 he will be fixing your computers. "Would anyone like to birth my child so I can attempt this theory?"
Yes he isQuote:
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India has a lot of computer professionals. The computer industry there is worth over a billion there which is why it is so big. In a poor country, that 1 billion+ dollards means a good future for a lot of people. And it means they can become educated and have good salaries and all that other good job related stuff. And rich countries, especially the u.s give out a lot of visas to computer professionals from other poorer countries.
The MOUS (Mirosoft Office User Specialist..avden) may be insanely simple, but how many 7 year olds do you know that have the patience to sit through a 2 hour test?
I still think it is quite impressive.
jethro> yeah, he is from India...whats your point? Anyone who creats a "Hackers Certification" which you can take online, just send him the money..... lost all my respect.... I wonder how much of the stuff in his book he wrote, and how much is source code he pulled off the internet???
I am going for my microsoft cert's, and i dont think that the cert is anything special. Yea it was obtained from a 7 year old and i give him credit for it, but we dont have to go overboard with it. Just my 2 cents.
Actually we do. When you were seven did you know what a macro was? Did you know about all the toolbars? I think :) that you guys are soo old that you forgot what it was to be seven!!
More to the point... the MS certs tend to be simplistic enough that even a monkey has a reasonable chance to pass it (as is proven by all the paper MCSEs out there today). To date, I think I've met two, maybe three MCSEs that were at all reasonable... and most of the worthwhile ones held other concurrent PC-centric certifications, such as Compaq's... and most of the paper ones, well, tend to not be able to troubleshoot their ways out of a wet paper bag. Just my observations...
(and, because of the preponderance of these "paper MCSEs," I probably tend to be /much/ more critical of any applicant I interview who lists the MCSE on their resume... not unfairly mind you, but my interview will tend to be much more technical in-nature and, I'd imagine, much tougher)
Then, draziw, is your interview and standards still based in reality? "Reality" being a global scale of knowledge and proficiency in technical skills, or is it a autarchal, fabricated quiz based on what YOU know and can do?
I can understand your desire for people that can improvise, self-educate, and succeed...but being more 'critical' of those who have worked, and worked hard, in most cases, to get their MCSE (or other 'monkey' related certs) seems a bit unfair, no matter how much you say that it's not.
It seems unfortunate that one's career must start with a piece of paper (that even a 'monkey' can get, supposedly), but that's the way that it is. I am critical of anyone that seems to be placing judgement on anyone before they even have a personal discussion with them. Who knows...maybe this 7 year old will have a larger cache of technical knowledge than any of this by the time that he is 12. And maybe he won't go to college for it, but rather do it as a hobby. Then maybe he will attempt to get an IT job somewhere...and the prospective employer will say..."Do you have your MCSE cert?"...
Just a thought.
Ouroboros
that is very rare...how did this knowledge get though to him
Good point - and you're right. Furthermore, my phrasing was probably poor, at best -- thanks for calling me on it.Quote:
Originally posted here by Ouroboros
Then, draziw, is your interview and standards still based in reality? "Reality" being a global scale of knowledge and proficiency in technical skills, or is it a autarchal, fabricated quiz based on what YOU know and can do?
I can understand your desire for people that can improvise, self-educate, and succeed...but being more 'critical' of those who have worked, and worked hard, in most cases, to get their MCSE (or other 'monkey' related certs) seems a bit unfair, no matter how much you say that it's not.
Put simply, (in some weird way trying to explain my perspective) I tend to "question" the M$ certs - not unlike I would question anyone that would walk off the street without much else on their resume as far as industry knowledge goes. I tend to mostly be concerned with troubleshooting abilities. Though, for an MSCE, perhaps it's better to say that I have to be a little bit better "crafted" at questions I would pose someone versus ones I might first pose had I no knowledge of such a certificate in their background. Does that make better sense?
Good thoughts! Thanks much for the response. (feh - can't give you any greenies yet... *sigh*)Quote:
It seems unfortunate that one's career must start with a piece of paper (that even a 'monkey' can get, supposedly), but that's the way that it is. I am critical of anyone that seems to be placing judgement on anyone before they even have a personal discussion with them. Who knows...maybe this 7 year old will have a larger cache of technical knowledge than any of this by the time that he is 12. And maybe he won't go to college for it, but rather do it as a hobby. Then maybe he will attempt to get an IT job somewhere...and the prospective employer will say..."Do you have your MCSE cert?"...
Just a thought.
Ouroboros
<edit>And yes, for me to say "even a monkey could get" is, perhaps, a bit unfair. Though we have many "tech-monkeys" around these parts (that being "monkey" in a good sense... like "grease monkey" or "wire monkey")</edit>
This is true to some extent. My daughtewr is almost 10 and she could padd her MCSE by a slim margin. Kids in school toady are getting the training and are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.....
Friggin foreigners
At 7 I was probably a lot more competant than I am now. My dad was an editor and he's always had top of the range equipment because he's one of the most proficient in his area so he's used to high standards. So I mean, I can remember as far back as when I was 3 being taught how to use stuff, because that's all he's into, so what else would he bond with his kids over? My brother and could operate DoS confidently, although probably not very efficiently, but still; when you're that young you just assume whatever you're doing is what you should be doing, and you apply yourself to it a lot better than you do as you age. When kids acquire a first language, they will have learnt the structure completely by the time they reach age 7. Interestingly if they only commence learning a year or two before this point, they will still have acquired all the basic rules by age 7. And those years are the best to start on second and third languages. So it's probably pretty similar with computer literacy; if you start young enough, you will have the capacity to acquire it as a sort of language. A child of 7 *should* be able to perform more competantly than older people with the same level of experience, because that's how our brains work. Or so I was told in linguistics...It's still impressive though!
XXX
Koll: That was uncalled for.
Erm, You mean "DOS" right? When I see "DoS" with a small o, then I think of Denial of Service, rather than Disk Operating System.Quote:
My brother and could operate DoS confidently
Unless you really *could* operate a denial of service attack confidently, in which case I shall hide and phj33r. :p
Well, it sounds a bit fishy to me, to get it at 7, but since I really don't know what kind of questions were faced or what experience the kid had... <shrug> Who knows.
no, i meant DoS. definitely.
ok you're right, i have joined the leagues of the damned who have difficulty holding down shift!!!!111111
*sigh*
xxx
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Originally posted here by Lady HaxX0r
When kids acquire a first language, they will have learnt the structure completely by the time they reach age 7. Interestingly if they only commence learning a year or two before this point, they will still have acquired all the basic rules by age 7. And those years are the best to start on second and third languages. So it's probably pretty similar with computer literacy; if you start young enough, you will have the capacity to acquire it as a sort of language. A child of 7 *should* be able to perform more competantly than older people with the same level of experience, because that's how our brains work. Or so I was told in linguistics...It's still impressive though!
XXX
That is actually not true. People have been saying children acquire language easier then adults, but it is actually not true. My girlfriend just got her masters of science in TESOL(teaching english to speakers of other languages) and that was one of the first things that her instructors made a big point about. The really strange thing about this is that I have taken child development courses before and I had been taught that in my undergrad classes. But when you get to the master level courses in linguistics they teach you that it is not actually the case. Kind of like how they teach kids that electrons orbit the nucleus in orbits in early science courses, and then later in school they teach you about electron clouds of probability.
The only thing that is true is that children that are proficient in one language can acquire a second language much easier then a child that is not even proficient in the first language, this goes for adults as well. I also have to disagree with the statement that children will acquire all the basic skills by the time they are 7. Perhaps in an ideal learning situation this is true, but that ideal situation very rarely happens in the real world.
I can provide you with reference material if you would like.
I was into DOS at the age of seven. My old brother had UNIX running on his box, but I never really bothered with it until I was about 9 or 10. I learnt my first programming languages at the age of 11, when I learnt JavaScript.
ok the mous isnt that great of a thing but at 7 it is good....well he must have been a very bored rish kid :)...i saw my first computer at the age of 16 and now i am age 17 :)