Well if you dont already know, then check out this great article on one of my favorite websites.
http://www.****microsoft.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
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Well if you dont already know, then check out this great article on one of my favorite websites.
http://www.****microsoft.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
Amen to that! :PQuote:
It's disgusting how Microsoft portrays itself as the supreme innovator when just about all the technology that it has was copied off of others' previous work. Think about all the major innovations in CS technology and then count how many of them were developed by Microsoft. I count zero. This is because Microsoft admittedly does not enter a market until the potential amount of money to be made in it is fairly large.
Sure microsoft may have stolen a few things, but it isn't like they didn't use them to improve computer use for all users. All in all, MS isn't that bad. Why do people bash it? Because they are jealous that microsoft is making the big bucks. Well, too bad that they didn't think of it before, but they didn't, so instead they focus all their time on putting MS down. Sure, MS has bugs, but most software does, and I have seen many exploits for linux systems as well. MS provides good software (for the most part) and user friendly interfaces.
As part of the above post and Thanks Preacher here is one of the related links off what is written see all the techlology MS did not invet but bought. http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/catalog/
So what? They did buy it right? It is legal? Yeah, so then what? Linux is just a knock off of unix but nobody cares about that, but if MS uses GUIs from xerox, then ooooooo, they're baaaaaaaaaad. Are you telling me that no other company has bought technology? Cause then you can't just bash MS.
Eh... I have to admit, M$ has some brilliant marketing folk (much like Clinton had some rather brilliant campaign managers). In any case, Bill originally got lucky... IBM laid something in his lap and, well, he made the most of it - he's not stupid... not at all. I just think he's rather on the unscrupulous side, myself.
Anyone remember when MSIE used to recommend that you could "free up disk space by removing Netscape Navigator?" And, at one point, IE would even silently disable or break Netscape... anyone else tries something like that and they get fried - but you can't argue with Bill, I guess.
...and you have to admit, the whole practice of "if you can't beat 'em, but 'em" is, well... anyone remember when MS tried to buy Quicken, only to say "well, we're happy to sell off MS Money" (to avoid the monopoly)? What about Visio? Suffered the old IBM problem... used to be a good product until M$ got a hold of it.
Yeah, it kinda sucks that people can make a killing out of taking advantage of others... but when you've got people over a barrel, well... *smirk*
I still like the old adage: "The only thing that Microsoft has done for the computing industry is to teach end users that computers are inherantly unreliable."
Actually, Linux is UN*X... it is a unix much like Sun, HP, IBM and many others make their own versions of UNIX. The point is, MS supposively "invents" technology that's clearly not their own - in the UN*X world, it's commonly known, even bragged about that most of these systems are just branches off the old AT&T Labs source... the common BSD systems being branches from the 4.3reno branch, IIRC.Quote:
Originally posted here by khakisrule
So what? They did buy it right? It is legal? Yeah, so then what? Linux is just a knock off of unix but nobody cares about that, but if MS uses GUIs from xerox, then ooooooo, they're baaaaaaaaaad. Are you telling me that no other company has bought technology? Cause then you can't just bash MS.
M$ has just become a superpower that's terribly afraid of any fair competition. Anyone gets remotely close to them or starts to surpass them and they either end up buying them or finding a way to sue them...
well as for microsoft being the root of jealousy, i dont htink os but it is a great product....for desktops as for servers they are doing well....linux doesnt suck as much resources and so on...personally i like windows...ofcourse linux is much!!! more stableQuote:
Originally posted here by khakisrule
Sure microsoft may have stolen a few things, but it isn't like they didn't use them to improve computer use for all users. All in all, MS isn't that bad. Why do people bash it? Because they are jealous that microsoft is making the big bucks. Well, too bad that they didn't think of it before, but they didn't, so instead they focus all their time on putting MS down. Sure, MS has bugs, but most software does, and I have seen many exploits for linux systems as well. MS provides good software (for the most part) and user friendly interfaces.
MS has done it's share of awful things.
But they are also responsible, through great marketing, for a LOT of the general populaces awareness of PC's.
Once again, good and bad thing.
All in all, My grandmother can email me because MS has made it so simple for her to use their software, and so accessible.
hmmmm i was just making strange connection in my mind......... microsoft buys or sues everyone that come anywhere near compatition to then......... hmmmm mozilla......... netscape pissed M$ off........ mozilla is directly dreived from netscape and is damn good, and a strond competitor for IE (i think)...... so sence its opensource and GNU (i belive, but i may be wrong. its the question i want an answer to, not the spasicics) and nobody officialy OWNS it and its free and all that good stuff...........
can M$ sue something like that, or buy it up......... i know that GNU wont let them use any of the code but........ how does M$ compete with something that dosnt exist?
even assume that they DO find something to sue about, WHO do they sue and how do they go about stopping it...... would they have to go be like the MPAA with DeCSS?
hmmmmmm i wonder? any answers?
You people wouldn't try to get rid of the competition if your billion+ dollar business was in danger of being subverted? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to stop that company and to keep yours safe? You would, so don't bash MS. They make good products, shure linux takes less resources, but *nix systems are for computer proficient people. A big reason MS is so big is because is makes products for the computer illiterate. They provided me with win95, and so I didn't have to learn about comps from DOS, which would have been difficult and may have forced me to buy a book or two. MS makes products which are easy to use, and so they are popular as everybody likes ease of use. And linux is A nix, not THE *nix. People, MS makes very complicated software, of course it is going to have bugs, it comes with the territory.
Quote from the article....
"Microsoft code has no bugs - In an interview with a German magazine called FOCUS, Bill Gates stated that Microsoft code does not have any significant bugs and he blamed the so called "bugs" on user error. Wow. This is frighteningly reminiscent of double-speak from 1984. Microsoft is in fact known for incredibly buggy software. Lest you think otherwise, Word should not crash when it is simply being used, IE should not crash when it is simply being used, and Windows should never crash just because a program it is running has performed an "illegal operation". These are just the tip of an enormous iceberg, but they are the most obvious bugs which anybody who has ever used Microsoft products for an extended period of time has run into. Don't let Bill Gates try to bully you into thinking Word crashing is your fault for not knowing how to use it -- Word completely dying because you did something "wrong" would be the equivalent of your car stalling because you didn't adjust the rear view mirror to be perfectly centered with the rear window."
nuff said!
I two dont agree with the fact that they buy out competition. In a sense, thats the whole game, but I feel that doing that doesnt help expand the possibilities for better systems and styles for Os's. Thats just my personal opinion.
dolemite I don't think you understand the difference between *nix and windows. Like I said, they make incredibly complex software. And in a way he was right, illegal operations come from software that the user puts on the computer that reacts with other software. And programs crash because something that the user put on there was buggy.
Uhmmm I believe I do understand the difference. I run 6 FreeBSD boxen at home, two remotely and I've been using FreeBSD for nearly a year and a half compared to using M$ for 14 years. I am now 100% M$ free, for many reasons, one of which I mentioned above. I'm not going to rant about the hundred other reasons why I don't use it. I think the article mentions plenty of them.
So....
:-P
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Originally posted here by khakisrule
Sure, MS has bugs, but most software does, and I have seen many exploits for linux systems as well. MS provides good software (for the most part) and user friendly interfaces.
Very good point. Both OS have their exploits/faults. But, LINUX is free. How can you argue with that?
I can argue with that by saying that MS provides an easy interface, as well as a user friendly OS. We all have to start somewhere, and MS provides an excellent palce to do that. On the other hand, you can't easily rush into linux if you know nothing about it. MS provides a good OS to learn all about computers on.
Tou·ché! You've got me there. I've always said that M$ is a great learning tool. But once you've mastered it don't you feel like trying something different? That's how I started my Linux journey. It wasn't about which OS is better......It was about being bored with Windows....Quote:
Originally posted here by khakisrule
We all have to start somewhere, and MS provides an excellent palce to do that.
I agree with the bored part,
but assiging Orwellian motifs to what is obviously 'sales speak' is silly.
What CEO in their right mind has EVER said "Well, our product is mostly good..."?
I am interested in exploring Linux not because I dislike MS, but because I wnat to learn new things, neither side is 'Good' or 'Evil' they're just diferent OS's.
kakhisrule, It's ok to like microsucks software, if you don't mind being babysat. I personally don't like winblowz software. Yes, its good for those that don't know comps or those people that are just learning. However, if you want to do anything "real" you need something stable, not something that has to be reinstalled or fixed every couple of days. I have had every version of winblowz immaginable on my comp. Everyone seems to like XP. So far, I have had to reinstall it on one of my boxes 8 times because it doesn't like a program or it just screws up for no reason. You can't tell me its all "user error". Yeah, the first time i had it installed, i crashed it by putting on the wrong software. But the last time, it was just running wierd...would lock up when it was doing nothing, the mouse was hopping all over the screen (its optical and clean) The comp is brand new. I cast my vote for linux. and i know others do too :) Cheers
Microsoft sucks for a couple reason one is it's license terms, and two they buy up good technology and then weave it into their product without understand fully what that product was about (doubledisk as an example) thing is they then sit on the technology. Had there been in place laws to prevent them from the purchase of all these start up's say like FTC rules on now many say phone company's or radio and TV stations one company may hold. Technology is no different then these areas in their day. So MS sucks not because of their OS but because they take advantage of the lack of laws. What is Dell, Compaq, HP said ok MS your product is OK but your license terms suck we won't buy. MS says oh they cannot sell a computer unless it has their OS. Until both computer mfg's and software producers turn their noises up at MS and their license terms not much will change. Me I am simply tired of the console stereo concept of MS products, give me some compontents and well everyone thinks unl;ess it is MS no one will buy. Seen enough creative book keeping and dot com bubbles. No software company should be able to buy and hold the assets that MS has change that and things may get better.
you know microsoft has always kind of bothered me just cause of the monopoly and lack of security...but as that article progressed i began to hate them and look at them as truely an "evil empire" i used to be able to look past the lack of security by rationalizing it with things like "but they made the pc usable for the masses.." ::sigh:: i switched to netscape a while back and i love it , i have been trying to install redhat...but my computer just seems to be brainwashed and it doesnt want to install.. :mad:
yo man thats ill
What's wrong with Microsoft check this out! http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=231532 Thanks for the Link!
It's not that I'm not happy with Microsoft products. Many people like Microsoft products for their ease of use as many computer users have no intention of becoming experts. They merely need what will get their job done. Personally, I think Microsoft products are in many ways poorly coded, but I can simply avoid them. What I'm not too happy about is Microsoft's business ethics. They have repeatedly stifled proposed advancements in technology and software, and forced the hand of smaller companies and organizations because of a perceived threat to their product line. They're denying the rest of us technology and research that could make all our lives easier or better. They are also suppressing the collaboration of ideas and methods we use to improve ourselves. But then again, Microsoft isn't in it for the betterment of anyone. They're in it for the money. Many would say that this is capitalism at its finest, but I believe their practices to be dishonest, conniving, and a thoroughly foul form of villany. :grr: Here's a short list, let me know if you want more:
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~croyl...business.shtml
Could somebody please close thsi thread? I am tired of getting negs for posting my opinion but I can't delete my posts! So could somebody please please please delete this thread??? Either a mod or pracher? Please do so, I just don't want to end up in the red. Thanks a lot. Bye.
You want me to close this thread because you dont want negative antipoints? I have two words for you "**** YOU!!!" There is one thing that I learned a long time ago. Don't be afraid to speak your mind even if everyone disagrees with you. So what if others didnt like your opinions, that doesnt change them. Im proud of every post I made here, even the ones I got negs for. Ive removed a post before because I got negs for it, and I ended up looking like a bitch because of it. Well that isnt going to happen again, the post stays.
After reading all this I just have to agree with you khakisrule..
And to all the lamers on this board who are actually giving negative points to khakisrule for this thread ...
Get a life!.. don't you guys have something better to do .. like 'hacking' ?
(Ah.. Yes.. hit me with all these neg. point... see if i care. ..)
i have a sony r505 with 15 gigs of hd space, xp takes up aprox 5 gigs... way too much space! I don't see how the extra space used correlates with the added features...
I think Bill Gates gets his business ideas from "The Book Of Five Rings" and "The Art Of War" if so he's doing a fine job of applying the ideas in the business world!
khakisrule: Without a doubt, you preach quite an incidious infection. I suggest you read up on the history of computing and technology standards and their origins. The result of this topic leans on one side, and always will.
I agree with khakisrule.
I'm not afraid to post anything. Heh, the truth is I don't know why everyone here fears neg points more than the plague. God forbid your street cred gets ruined and you don't have the status you used to among people you've never seen. The only thing wrong with the neg points is they can get you banned, and anyone who gets that many must have been a screwball anyways.
Everytime I ask someone why Linux is better than Windows, I always get the answer, "It's faster, more reliable, and more secure." I don't know about the rest of you, but I have not had problems in using Windows. I often go weeks without restarting without problem. I have error-free usage. No lock-ups, blue-screens, or spontaneos restarts. The only times I've gotten an illegal operation is when I have done something stupid. (Like play music from different applications at the same time, or edit a value in my memory while an application is running.) Windows is great, even if it's not for you hardcore.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't think it's really a technological aspect for most of you people. I have no problem with people learning other OS's for the more knowledge, espesially if they're interested in technology, but I think for a lot of you it's about the idealogy, and about being different.
I got my versions of Windows for free. And no, not from warez sites. With the purchase of a new computer, I have gotten Windows as well as other software. I know you guys will say that it was all included in the price of the PC, well, you know, fine. That's business. I have no problem with Capitalism. I support it. I know many people view any form of competition (or even tough play like MS does) to be cold and selfish. So they take it out on the company. I'm sure some of you hate Microsoft because you think it engages in monopolistic practices, and don't look at it from it's product.
Microsoft's Internet Explorer is not the only software that tries to dominant itself by hurting other software. When I install Winamp, it wants to associate with all sound file, and when I install Real Player, it tries to do the same thing. Hell, I was watching TV and there are these new Mac commercials where people come up and basically say, "I used Windows and I thought it sucked so I use a Mac know." Why don't you complain about that. It's mudslinging. People do it to get ahead.
The last thing I can't stand is everyone telling me how easy Windows is to hack, and how insecure it is. Please. How honest are you folks being? Like, if I were using Windows I'll be more likely to get hacked than if I'm using Linux. I don't believe it. I think Windows is a bigger target for hackers, because it's more commonly used. People will code viruses for Windows, and try to find vulnerabilities in Windows. You know why? My girlfriend isn't using Linux, that's why.
I've been using an out-of-the-box Windows 98 machine for the past 3 years now and have never been hacked. As far as I know, there are no remote access vulnerabilities in it. The worst thing that could happen to me is someone packet floods me and I gotta restart. Boo hoo. It's not that big a threat. You guys will be the first to admit that sending somone B02K in an E-Mail saying that it's porn is NOT hacking, and that asking someone for their password because you work at their ISP is NOT hacking. Can you blame an OS for a user's stupidity?
So you guys could use Macs, or Linux, or BSD, or any other less-than-mainstream OS and be just content about it. But I think that's enough for you guys, is it? You're not happy unless you bash the "inferior" product and make the people who use it feel stupid. You guys get kicks from typing "M$," "Winblows," and "Windoze," don't you? Pretty clever. Get a life.
I'm no better than you wasting my time typing this, but at least I do it in a defense. You guys act as the aggressors and intentionally try to attack Windows. I've seen enough of these types of posts already. Has anyone here at AO not heard why MS sucks? I don't find the need for this pointless debate to perpetuate further every 2 weeks when someone with nothing to do decides to start up the argument again. And poor schmucks like khakisrule get negs for it, because some of you wanna fight without being fought.
If someone is satisfied with a product and because it works for his/her needs, and you guys are happy with another, why make a fuss about it? Linux may be 10,000 times greater than Windows, fine. I'll consider it the second Windows fails to meet my needs.
And that's that,
Ramzi
(Haha. I'm gonna get banned for this.)