God and the Internet

Now, before i explain this idea, please take into consideration that this is just a theory that was presented to me by another person. this is not my personal belief, just someone elses theory. i have however noticed that most threads that have any opinion in them lately have been getting negs, but this is not for flame war purposes....

simple chemicals come together to form to form protiens. simple molecules come together to form cells. in our world simple organisms come together to form larger more complex beings. is it possible then that God is not existing yet. Is it possible that God is going to be the connective consciousness when a large group of people are joined together possibly via the interneet? the connecting of smaller organisms to make a more complex whole....

Whoa that makes sense. But according to Christians or whatever religion, who would have created us if we created god?

ACK!!!! Infinite Loop!

Reading only the title I have been the idea (laughing) that God will be soon the only "guy" without his personal web-page or his ICQ account :))

After I read really your post I can say that human being are already an example of this (like insect societies) and there are no reasons to consider Internet with another point of view.
The only problem is that we don't perceive conscious in it.

I'm sorry for the strange syntaxe (and for the spelling also)

This is a rather interesting post. I am the webmaster for a spiritual site, that and I am
a certified reverend of the States of Louisiana and Ohio, but that really does not matter
except for technicalities etc.

If you want to get into technicalities based off of how our earth was created and life came
to be, weather you are a darwinian thinker (i.e evolution) or a creationist (i.e some being
created the world), everybody always poses that question to themselves one time or another
in their life span.

The currency of the internet is something quite valuable yet someting irrevocably intangible.
You cannot take the information you learn on the net and transform that knowledge into a
piece of paper that is literally worth the (choosing American here because I am) currency.
Yet again this poses a question of if the collective consciousness of internet users, web surfers, etc does exist. This also brings up various topics regarding AI (artificial intelligence)
etc.

We programmers can come up with only so much AI through complex algorithms etc, but
we have come up with code that writes code that writes code which writes more code.
So in theory if you have self writing code, isn't that like synapsis of the brain how they grow
then those make new synapsis which grow to make more making us more and more intelligent. So with all the people out there adding their bits of knowledge and wisdom and
expertise, also with "everybody and their mother" relying on computers and the internet
there poses no question in my head weather or not you could consider 'god' to be the
collective consciousness of the internet.

Going on that you could safely assume that god is us and we are god. I am not a religious
person, but the interests in theology and mythology etc is why I persued my reverendship.
Each person that uses the internet or intertwines themselves with this collective consciousness becomes a facet of 'god.' I base this off of some of Rumi's techings and also
some of Neitzsche's philsophies.

NOTE: This is not meant to be an attack on anyone's faith etc. This is just a mere musing
on the subject.

sounds interesting to me, though I would hestate to call the new life "god", maybe just a new hive mind?

i think that the idea is that this larger social consciousness would soon include all the earth, thus making no greater being... therefore it would become basically a god.

as for the creation question.... i think the answer to this question still remains infinite... i mean, there could be the darwinian solution (thus no creator), or an alien race more advanced then ours, or a seperate god from the one that we created. but really this is a moot point in the respect that the idea of the theory is simple to complex. obviously God (either the god or a god) would have to be created of many simple parts to make the ultimate whole. in this line of thinking, we would all be the simple parts, inadequate of being gods on our own, all parts being incapable and even incomplete, but when strung together, these parts make a larger better being.

the only thing i dislike about the idea is i have met many of the people that make up the internet... if this theory were true, the "God" would be made up of a bunch of idiots....

yes, theyd be idiots but look at us, another bunch of idiots, geeks when were out of our cyber turf and in the real world, and geeks to the onlooker looking in, but to us were a thriving community. this group on here on some level has an impact on this evolving godform. CERT would be the doctors, RFCs are the genetic code........ wow you can really read into this alot just looking at how humans work and how the internet works......... suposedly he created us in his own image....... therefor sence we evolve why cant we evolve to a final god stage, and if we can write self writing and self recoding and self evolving code, well have a perfect entity. give it the environment it needs.......... and who knows, one day well be looking back at the matrix and saying "man, if only wed known......"

wow, thats a cool theory man, i think im gonna play with it a bit, you mind?

I enjoy all the thoughts here and other threads and any input I have gotten plus or minus is that input. Actually when you look at things there is a long standing belief in any system that we are all connect. Even with the human DNA map we are finding this out to be fact that there is little in our DNA that seperates any one peoson on the face of the planet. Yet this was taught for thousands of years. So to put the Net into context it then would serve as a common means for the human race to continue to expand how we are all related and interact. By devine intervention or by natural slection of the fittest everything is connected. Life it's self is an energy our body functions measured countless ways, I suppose the answer will arrive in one's last breath, energy is disipated but even quatium phyics can show the state of nothing has purpose.

loggoff... it is an interessting idea. you can play with it all you want, but don't get too sucked in by the idea. although it is neat, it is not infallable yet. (i don't want to see you running off and forming a cult... lol) i just thought it was a neat proposal that a friend brought to me... gives you something to thnk about whether it be true or just a hypothetical... good for thought stimulation.

hahahhahahhahhahhahhahahhah.... learning much affect!!!! and its a defect one.

hmmmmm yeah, im good at forming off the wall thorys...... ive got one that i can post about how mice take over the world cause my walllocker has too many white teeshirts (or socks, i forget which)

i think ill post that to give everyone a laugph.

also, whats wrong with a cult? besides, we wouldnt commit suicide every time a commet come arround, and we wouldnt be THAT weird........ wed just pray to the almighty DARPANET ;)

[edit]ok, here it is........ The Law of Reproduction of Inanimate Objects:
a) Inanimate objects reproduce.
b) This rate is inversely exponential to the space you have.

Like rich people, they have all this space in huge houses and they've always got it orderly. This is due to the fact that in such a large space inanimate objects (being that they are inanimate) can't reproduce as easily. Where as me who gets a 3-foot by 6-foot area to live in (that's computer included!), and I need clean my wall locker quite frequently. This theory also discloses some of the fastest and slowest reproducing items like, white t-shirts (I was issued 2 in basic and now am up to 8) and trash. that's the non-spoilable trash like paper and candy wrappers. spoilable trash on the other hand is one of the slowest reproducing items in existence (due to the fact that they start spoiling before their mating rituals [which consist of sitting there staring at each other for vast periods of time] are finished and this tends to be a real turnoff for the females of the 'species'), outdone only by mice (yes, I know that you'd say that they are quite animate but this is a common misconception. when you find mice they are very inanimate but when your trying to find them you hear them then as soon as you open the door, you know they were there but somehow there not there anymore. this occurrence is easily explained. when a door is opened the nearest mouse is basically unborn out of existence, that's how he disappears. this has been happening since the dawn of time... or at least doors, and will continue until God gets angry and decides to kill us all again by divine wrath... it will be very easy for him then, the little machines in heaven that make mice have been working since he decided to have mice. well this door opening event that happens has not only slowed down the reproduction of mice, but has actually made it into a reverse, so mice get unborn faster than they are born. well since after a mouse in made, it gets in a kind of like at the gate to being born. well being unborn has the same effect, they just pretty much get back in the line again and wait till they are "born" again. Well being unborn combined with the machines that "makes" mice there's getting to be a backlog at that gate (notice its a gate not a door... God is good at thinking ahead). Well when it comes time to ravage the planet again (once it was a flood, once it was locusts...) he will make doors obsolete by the invention and mass production of teleporters and people will also have solid houses with no doors or windows (this last part also forces Microsoft to rename they're OS to "Visoports", which is what they will use by then). Having no doors will stop their being unborn, and since it's a well known fact by now that their only predators were doors in the first place. This will cause the few remaining mice to breed with outstanding results and since Darwin determined what happens to a species that has no predators, mice will start to flood in through the gate of being born (which is huge anyway and we all know what mice do to holes in walls... so it'll only get bigger), and will be another plague. Well insects (specifically locusts) can only get so intelligent, so they died out by they're stupidity (not string enough food for the winter and overall resorting to canabalizing each other [which actually kills them not makes them unborn]) in the end. Mice haven't reached they're mental potential and have the potential to be infinitely smarter. With larger populations mutations happen more frequently and so about 3 years after the initial 'invasion' begins (people by now have decided to take refuge in their homes that are now made out of a mouse proof material) they, the mice, determine that they cant just overpower the people, they need to outsmart them. So using resources left to them they all
Flood to the libraries and learn all they can (they also get obsessed with the old ideas that the moon was made of cheese and get sidetracked on this for a few years... but only to their disappointment). Eventually they learn how to make teleportation devices and start to beam into the "mouse-proof houses" that the humans have. Well the word gets around that this is happening so humans, desperate to survive this deliberate assault for cheese (it was obvious that they wanted cheese because whenever they took hostages they demanded a ransom along the lines of "3 blocks of Swiss, 1 block of American, and 5 blocks of cheddar" [it became obvious that cheddar was their favorite]). Well after trying to find numerous ways to kill the mice (this was rather difficult to take POWs due to the fact that at any given conflict it was easily 2-3 million mice to every 1 person) one of the scientists puts a mouse in a gas chamber and as soon as he closes the ---door--- (he was old fashioned about some things) the mouse gets unborn (which really dose no good since he got reborn almost instantly but somewhere else). Well replaying the video he sees this happen and tries another and another.... eventually tries different things but only the doors kill them... finally he gets the point. Well he relays this to everyone and they start mass-producing "door guns" (basically a remote controlled mini door that closes a few hundreds times per second). Well this only slows the mice down (since there are so many of them). The mice start producing "doorjamb guns" (similar to a crossbow that shoots doorstops). This severely reduces the effectiveness of the human's defenses. But alas, since humans always have more than one idea they also were working on two different projects, SETD (they basically reprogrammed SETI to look for extra terrestrial doors), and "the lower Manhattan project" (which was basically a bunch of construction workers building a huge door in space). Well SEDI never turned up anything, but when 'the lower Manhattan project finally was done, they took the most pissed off guy they could find (which was a postal worker [it took a long time to disarm him]) and sent him into space to slam the door. Well he got up there, took hold of the handle (which was about 500 times larger that he was [but like I said he was a postal worker and thus very pissed off]) and slammed as hard as he could. Well naturally the mouse spy network had picked up on this and they also had a postal worker of they're own (even mice need to send letters) in space with an equivalent sized doorjamb gun. The postal mouse fired as the postal human started to slam. In addition, as 'the law of things slowing down and replay of suspenseful moments' so clearly states time slowed down almost to a standstill. Some 2000 years later (and God was timing it) the doorjamb made it in the door, another thousand years later the door slammed and, thanks to Gods good planning on the law of physics, shattered the wooden doorstopper. And since 'the law of things slowing down and replay of suspenseful moments' states that the more suspenseful the moment is (or 3000 years in this case) the slower it goes and the more times it gets replayed... well the replay never really ended it was so suspenseful, but each time it was replayed another mouse popped out of existence... so in the end humans one and came up with a way to skip a moment in time (the slam) and the slamming goes on infinitely in that moment but humans skipped it they never really noticed anything other than that every mouse ever disappeared. In addition, to think all that came out of me having eight t-shirts instead of two...[/edit]

[edit2]i spent like 45mins of solid typing getting my fingers to try and keep up with my brain....... 'twas hard....... just kinda kept putting down what my brain said....... who knows, mabee im nostrodomus reborn.......? i predicted that clinton would win both times then bush would win then get us into a war.......hmmmmmmm who knows[/edit2]

WOuldn't thwe idea that We'r made up of Smaler thing's, make us not a Singe lbeing, as in we'r not really our self, just a mass of "Other's" ?
AAGH.....im/we'r Disturbed.....

- Noia

God is in the internet you can vist the homepage here
http://www.netstore.de/~god/

what are people smoking to make those kinds of webpages?

It seems at best the creation of this internet 'being' could be considered a 'new' form of sentient 'life'. It's kinda out there to think that we could create our own creator when doing so would also mean that our 'creation' would have to be able to crack the space-time continuem in order to facilitate our creation. Too much of a paradox for me to rationalize.

Well, everyone is entitle to their own opinions, and everyone shares different views on life, but you also have to doubt the inevitable. Is there really a god? Many people say there is, personally, I believe there is a God, other people, devil worshipers, Anti-christ's, believe what circulates through their mind, we were all created by something or someone, but we yet to prove this theory besides some old bible testaments, and some scrolls. I myself do not know why I was put on this planet, but i will fo-fill my destiny, no matter what the cost, if you havea different opinion post it and let people know how you feel, but don't deny the power of God, because when the time comes, you will be judged too...