Too Aggressive...

These forums are beginning to be to aggressive. I am thinking about joining another security site. Flaming doesn't help anyhting if you don't like the post don't reply. I am not trying to sound mean with that but it is true. When you flame someone you don't get anywhere you most likely get flamed back by the thread poster. Whats the point? To seem big and like an owner of the forum? If anything, this makes you small and no one will like you in the forum. Just had to get this off my mind because it is getting very annoying. Thanks

Don't leave, some people just have to flame to get it off their chest. Besides, there is no security site/forum better than AO ;p. But then again, we get this all the time and no one leaves.

Thanks for your time~

Blah blah blah...here we go again, someone who thinks the whole site is going to stop because he leaves.

Good-bye.

Deb :rolleyes:

Why not try to use your free time writting a good tutorial or help somebody in need in the Newbie Forums instead of trying to find a pathetic excuse for leaving AntiOnline?

Er...last I checked, pretty much any forum you goto (applesoft...grrrr...) your going to have flamers (no pun intended)...inconspicuous people that feel the open forum is a way to get out their aggression...here's a better way to look at it, think of it as funny. Find the humor in stuff and lifes much eaiser...

Hey Ryan,

Don't take off. It's true that some are here lately to do nothing but flame. But there are some of us who are here to learn and help. It is a bad time to ask a "bad" question because of the whole antipoint leveling system and people trying to balance themselves...

Stick around for a bit. You'll see that some people talk about something interesting, informative or funny. Give it some time. (also, since summer is here, and school is out, there "could" be an influx of newbies to the site. Just give it time....)

I do agree that there are a lot of invalid flames going on lately. Any look around you can see that a few of the 'newbies' asked a question the wrong way, got flamed for it, and afterwards were treated unfairly by being flamed in several other valid threads. I thought about making a thread about this, I have saved a lot of threads on notepad where people were being flamed for no reason whatsoever. Maybe that's part of the downside of having to balance out your points, who knows.

But I do understand what you mean, Ryan. And I don't see this as a thread where he thought AO was going to stop because he was leaving. He was just getting a thought out, if that's so wrong here, then flaming is not the problem, the supression of thinking is. If you get enough negatives in one day for a valid post, wouldn't that make you question if you should stay or if you should go? I know it would for me.

I know this was mentioned in another thread several days ago...more-known members can type a simple one line post and that is perfectly fine, but if a 'newbie' does it, he can get severely flamed. Why is that?

In another thread, a person was bashed simply because of his poor English.

Maybe this is a question of kindness and ethics.

People don't bother to look into the perspective of the other person when making a decision, how they would feel, etc. I thought this post would shed light on a different perspective a little bit.

At any rate, Ryan, it's not worth leaving AO over. You've contributed a lot of great things and it would be a waste to have you go. People are going to flame, no matter what you say, maybe by my post, there will be some additional perspective that will stop unneccessary flaming. Write some tutorials, check out IRC sometime, contribute some jokes, and help people out. In no time, there will be no reason whatsoever for people to flame you for no reason.

There has been a lot of controversial topics, people have been heated up. I've sure as hell been lately. I got a hell of a lot of negs, and some nasty comments to go along with them. (Yes, a couple of them made me cry...pathetic, huh?) Yes, the comments make you think...but, even being an Addict now, I still get flamed. The best advice is to take it with a grain of salt.


Everyone just SMILE damn it!!!

Can't we all just get along?

I dare you to find a community, online or off where "flaming" in some sense or another doesn't happen.
There is no utopia, give up searching for it and focus on doing what you know is right. If a community isn't right for you, then move on...just for god's sake...don't whine about it!!

GreekGoddess has spoken wisely, and as well [even though I am a lowly newb whose opinion is discredited...] I really think it's so important to remember when communicating in textual media alone that you can't assume the way you read it was the way it was intended; for example, you could be reading this picturing a really irate attention-seeking tone, or perhaps a mopey whine, or a derisive sneer. There's nothing in text that can indicate tonality, a really important feature of speech, so it's really easy to misinterpret stuff. I'm actually *thinking* this in a pretty neutral tone, so any of the aforementioned suggestions would be wrong, and also cause me to be flamed if you had assumed them. I mean the content of this post doesn't really merit assuming I'm being arrogant, but on other occasions it could do. I know I've had more arguments online than I've ever had in face to face interaction [which would total 0!]. Avoid flaming if the sentiment behind a post is ambiguous; you can never truly know how words were intended unless someone's taken the effort to actually describe it, but usually you can guess from the context. Perhaps for the purposes of harmonious interaction it'd be an idea to just assume the best, and if you're not sure of the spirit in which a comment is intended then contact the author personally. Or just use the antipoints system I guess. But at least that way it's discreet and avoids publically embarrassing people who had good intentions? Just a thought.

XXX

Yea i Agree , I do not think you should split Ryan because this site is all about helping people and you do learn from your mistakes , but cmon Ry admit it , dont you feel the tension when a lamer asks you how to hack hotmail , i mean i cant take it i dont know about anybody else.
But anyways i think that this is probably my favorite site out there , ive learned so much since ive been here , but i will never know everything.

Bye Bye....


On a side note- JP, I thought you were going to instantly ban members who start these pointless "I'm leaving" threads?

No need to leave!!! So what if you get flamed you can still come here and learn, read post. Just go back and look at a lot of the older post and you will see that you are not the only one that gets flamed. If you leave you only hurt your self. DON"T let anyone stop you from learning. Make your stand and let everyone know that you are not here to play games but you are here to learn and maybe help. The way to do that is to read the other post and see how people thank. And if you go to post something just make sure it is something that will help. Also may sure you post where you got this info. from that you are sharing. One last thing alway read what you write before posting it and try to see it how others will see it. If you thank that it might get you flamed because the way it sounds try to write it another way that it can not be misleading. Only you can stop your self from learning.


Zuriel

so stop your whining already, life is choice, make one.

Hi Ryan...

I totally agree with GreekGoddess & Lady HaxX0r. It's not worth leaving AO over. :)

Do not let feeble flaming discourage you, but instead let it give you insight that not everyone can interact in a mature and sensible way.

Instead of leaving, you should stay and continue being strong. Let yourself stand out as someone who doesn't have the time nor the mentality for childish squabbles, but instead handles everything in a mature and respectable fashion.

Not only will you feel good about yourself, but you might even have a positive influence over these people. ;)

Greetings All:

Yes, it's true. People do get flammed in this forum. However, I challenge all of you to take a look at some other security forums, and find one that has LESS flamming than AntiOnline.

The AntiPoints System that we have in place has done wonders to get rid of flames, and inappropriate threads.

Ryan Nyquist sent me a PM because he was upset for being "in the red". The truth is, most newbies fall into the red when they first join. It takes everyone a while to get used to any community, and to figure out how exactly they should be doing things. You'll notice, however, that most newbies never do get banned, and if they do, it's because they obviously deserved it.

The AntiPoints System adds a level of fairness that you don't see on any other forums. Does a thread get closed or not? Does a user's account get banned? Who contributes the most, and deserves special site features? On most sites, all of these decisions are left up to a "moderator" or two. AntiOnline leaves these responsibilities up to the community as a whole.

So, if you think someone is being unfairly put into the red, or you think that people are being rewarded for flamming when they shouldn't be, it's up to the community to change things.

Actually yeh, I think that needed saying, it's a good point; the AntiPoints system is very fair, and the fact that weighting is involved means that it's hard to abuse. And I'm glad JP that you said all newbies get negs, because I was getting minor paranoia about mine when you're right, it totally figures convergence and adaptation are hard! But I also find the system works, I have thought twice as much about everything I've posted since I started getting some reds. I'm really impressed at how much thought has gone into this site, and it shows in the community, which is much more real and united than a lot of the forums I've posted in where motives tend to be more selfish. And if I'm rambling it's because I've been an idiot surfing the net all night and am currently falling asleep at the desk, oh dear! I just wanted to attempt expressing how great this site is and how for the most part it seems to work. I can understand people getting irate about the negs, it makes me feel poo and other people have expressed feeling crushed by it, but then that makes you double sure you don't write stupid stuff, and it's definitely better to see what impact you're having gradually giving you an opportunity to remedy your faults rather than suddenly finding yourself banned by a site moderator. Right? Thanks JP! :D

XXX

I hate to follow JP in posting but I'd half to agree that the antionline pionts system seems to be great idea though it could also see some abuse. Flame wars are going to happen, especially in an environment such as this one where there are many subject matter experts with different pionts of view and varrying agendas. People are going to put there two cents in such as I am now. People are also going to argue though the more intelligent flames stop at witty banter instead of stooping to the script-kiddie level.

As far as saying I want to leave because you people argue with me is rubish. That additude is more of a look at me, I need the attention. No one should leave a forum cause there happens to be a few kiddies mixed in the group.

Anyways, I think I made my point. Peace out

There will always be people who disagree with anything you have to say, regardless of content, depth, or anything else pertaining to your topic(s). This is a fact. This is the internet where people will act one way online and another way entirely different IRL. I am not one of those people, and neither are various others. The people that are WYSIWYG are the ones that will openly state something whether you're online or whether you're standing in front of them in a grocery checkout line, hence why a good portion of the online community is completely full of ****. Mean what you say, say what you mean and most importantly re-read your post/thoughts/etc before hitting the enter key.

On a side note, you have the option to let it get to you or to better yourself and give back to the community. Understand that countless others have 'threatened' to leave AO because of various reasons, flaming being one of the top ones, and yet, all it does is piss off the ones that're in charge. JP doesn't like it at all and neither do the regular members.

So, all that said, it's up to you...be careful in your wording, ask intelligent questions, answer what you can when you can, admit when you don't know, go find out when you don't know, and try to ignore the trolls. Do that and not only will your online community stay be a lot less stressful, but you'll also have the respect of those who've been around.

Now if you'll pardon me, I'm going back to slacking off at work!

If you let abusive people dictate what you do, you're going to have a hard life. They are everywhere.
It's how you deal with them that counts.

Next time I get flamed (or see someone else) for posting a newbie question I am reporting it. I think this will best solve my problems. I am not one of those who post questions like "how to hack hotmail" and hacking questions. So why should I get flamed? Everyone was a newbie once in their lifes. Like I said, I am not trying to sound mean on this thread (or this reply) but I just thought I would get my point out.

Ryan, it's cuz ur talking about leaving, but we get this all the time, and it's a waste of space.

Thanks for your time~