I am no MS suckup

I need to clear up what OS I use. People gimme negs for posting pro MS stuff, then posting pro linux stuff. It isn't the negs that I mind so much, but they start swearing and telling me I don't know crap about linux. Well, let me clear that up, I have been using red hat 7.2 for a little over 4 months now. I am no linux newbie. I simply like windows, its easy to use and widely supported. Just 'cause I stick up for them doesn't mean I love them and it certainly doesn't mean they're all I use. So next time you guys need to think a little before you start swearing at me fer no reason at all. Plus I can't use X with my rh distro 'cuz the computer I am using it on doesn't have the hard drive capacity, so that makes me want to use windows all the more. But when I get my new comp, I'll probably just make a seperate partition for rh. *fer isn't a typo

4 months? That doesn't exactly make you a veteran, but I assume you have had previous versions and distros?
I just think Red Hat is better, because it never crashes and I can modify any part of it because it's open source. And it's free!:D

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Originally posted here by khakisrule
I need to clear up what OS I use. People gimme negs for posting pro MS stuff, then posting pro linux stuff. It isn't the negs that I mind so much, but they start swearing and telling me I don't know crap about linux. Well, let me clear that up, I have been using red hat 7.2 for a little over 4 months now. I am no linux newbie. I simply like windows, its easy to use and widely supported. Just 'cause I stick up for them doesn't mean I love them and it certainly doesn't mean they're all I use. So next time you guys need to think a little before you start swearing at me fer no reason at all. Plus I can't use X with my rh distro 'cuz the computer I am using it on doesn't have the hard drive capacity, so that makes me want to use windows all the more. But when I get my new comp, I'll probably just make a seperate partition for rh. *fer isn't a type

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Originally posted here by khakisrule
Well, let me clear that up, I have been using red hat 7.2 for a little over 4 months now. I am no linux newbie.

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I've been running RH on and off for 12 months now and I still consider myself a newbie. maybe I'm just a slow learner?

It's always important to remember, no matter how much we learn, that we're always still newbies at some level. I've used linux off and on for several years, and then roughly 14 hours a day for the past year and a half, and there are still lots of things I don't know about it. And when it comes to Windows NT, 2000, and XP, there are even more things I don't know because I don't use them nearly as often. If I had a Windows question and I couldn't find the answer from someone else at work, I'd come home and send NTSA a PM because as far as I'm concerned, he's a windows guru. It's always important to know what you can and cannot do without help, and admit it. Then you go find someone who can help you.

Edit : In response to redgore's post: My definition of guru is different than yours. When I use the term guru, I am referring to someone who knows a heck of a lot about a topic, and is a lot more likely to be able to answer any questions that have me stumped.

You can never become a 'GURU' in any OS unless you are the creator of it. Ive been using linux for about half a year and i know enough to be competant at using it. Ive always been a M$ child I started on MS-DOS proceeded onto windows. I know enough to use them and even a bit more. Like i say noone is a GURU at anything

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Originally posted here by jethro
And it's free!:D

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You think people pay for Windows? No one I know has, I'm still not sure how we gain the official disks... :D

I'm a MS suckup, and I don't like Linux. There you go.

Actually, it's not that I don't like Linux. I like Windows (both 2k and XP Pro), it suits all my needs (and that is what the OS of your choice should be about); I don't have much Linux-experience (have tried Corel Linux once - that one sucked, Mandrake - only thing I liked about it was the 'XKill button' in KDE, allowing me to kill all the applications that didn't do what I wanted them to do, Redhat 7.2 - pretty stable, but I didn't like the looks of it, Redhat Skipjack - only a beta-version, so not representative, but didn't recognize my Radeon 8500), and I must say I liked its stability. It would be unfair of me to say that Linux sucks - I simply don't know how to make it stable, how to make it fit all my needs (and I am too lazy do read all those mans). I think I've come to the point though where I can make my Windows-box as stable as the average Linux-user can make his Linux-box.
And I'll be the first one to admit that a decently managed Linux-box is more stable than a decently managed Windows-box. But then again: how many decent managers are there?

It's not because I don't like the Microsoft-policy, that I'm not going to use their products (and yes, I even pay for those products - I frankly don't like people who use MS warez, and then go shouting about how much MS sucks - some people actually have to work for a living).
It's not because VolksWagen worked for the Nazis some 60 years ago, that I'm not gonna drive an Audi.

And I REALLY don't like Linux-newbies who think they're great because they discovered Linux and go bashing MS just because they managed to install Linux and learn its basics (even I know the basics). Besides, most of them are dual-booting.

PS: respect to those who actually are good at Linux, and are always willing to help people with their problems...you know who you are - you outsmart me...

I found out most of my linux info from the book I got with my linux distro. And yes I have had linux distros before, zipslack and phatlinux and then winlinux.

I love windows, infact, you can just about go to the store blind folded, pick up a new hardware component, take it home, plug it in, boot up and away you go, (USUALY)whereas in linux it is not that easy (my personal opinion). As well, i know that linux is working on its user friendly aproach, but even with the KDE desktop and other desktop and windows managers, I still prefer the setup that Windows has. Windows is very easy to install and easy to use, I am not saying that linux is not. there are lots of things I dont like about the software that Microsoft develops, security, the time it takes to recognize and patch bugs, management of resources and more, but overall I actualy prefer Windows over linux, and I have used two distrobutions of linux. I love linux, dont get me wrong, but overall, I stil prefer windows.

Sorry if this comes out really irrelevantly but basically the way I see it, M$ *does* actually occasionally produce decent stuff; I only use a *nix-based system for work which is movie editing so I don't really know enough about the difference between OSes to make much of a critique but I know M$ works for me, it does the job, it is pretty low-maintenance as long as you keep up to date enough. What *sucks* about M$ is the whole apparent attitude behind the company, the fact that it's a successful company for the 'wrong' reasons [ethically speaking] involving misleading press releases and the buying out of competition. However while it's a good thing to criticise bad ethics, that shouldn't obstruct a path to practicality. I think that for users who like to feel really involved in their OS linux is great but if you just want a platform to run programs ff M$ can occasionally surpass itself. I like it, but perhaps that's through ignorance...!

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Well years ago in the Nix enviro things were pretty hard, and anyone that was around a mainframe and had to set up things for different depts can appericate Windows from the fact it took much of the day to day load off IS. Basic flaw I see in M$ is the same thing about 1990 where you work and everything was controled by IS you had well a basic dumb terminal, they just want to take it back to the same spot only thing time they want to control it or other large corp's that are each day making it cost me whom I work for public domain property and claim they have a right to charge us for it. I use M$ products why? I could not run programs I use daily, Photoshop, Bryce, Poser, a host of programs not ported to Linux, work wise there are called contracts and specs and none say Linux. Like M$ and Billion Dollar Bill nope live with them I must that is reality.

Hehe, yay, finally some pro MS people have come out and voiced their opinion and in a positive thread too. Rare. I would post my feelins but I got blasted for 'em last time so I'm hesitant to post 'em again. But if ya want, you can check out what I got blasted for at this thread
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=231436
And BTW the thread has committed suicide so ya can't gimme negs!! :P

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And BTW the thread has committed suicide so ya can't gimme negs!! :P

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We could always give you negs here. :) Just kidding of course. However, it's probably in your best interest to stop talking about negs. I think this is like the third post I've seen from you today talking about getting negs from people. If you're not careful, you'll start sounding like JRoc. I don't think you were around when he was here, but it wasn't pretty.

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Originally posted here by Negative


And I REALLY don't like Linux-newbies who think they're great because they discovered Linux and go bashing MS just because they managed to install Linux and learn its basics (even I know the basics). Besides, most of them are dual-booting.

PS: respect to those who actually are good at Linux, and are always willing to help people with their problems...you know who you are - you outsmart me...

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Negative finally giving us the respect we deserve. By the way, I really dont like those MS bashing linux newbies either, I prefer those who bash microsoft and know what the hell they are talking about.

Who is JRoc?

Do we that provide main stream computing needs like M$ answer is NO the license issue is a daily concern, not to have to stand on the carpet (American Term means you have to explain to owners why you spend your budget like you do) and then further explain how at any given point in time the EULA can change, like maybe a security patch. I do not see main stream programs ported yet to Linux. I have bulked at M$ latest license terms and hope in two years Linux will be ported in that what 94% desktop enviro and contract terms. If not I bet wrong and Billion Dollar Bill and M$ will just wait it out. Negative entire object of being mainstream is you have a majority of respect, one becomes a target, easy to aim a gun fire it many in the M$ community work to preserve what all of computing is about the power of one person to make life better for others.

Comes down to layers of the web OS any OS should be transparent, application layer is another story.

I tinker in GNU/linux occasionally, but I usually can't play with it for more than two hours before I get bored or frustrated. Usually when I install linux, I am immediately (first few days) confronted with an obscure error which most people can't help me with for some reason. (Such as LRs-Linux starting up in the wrong keyboard mode, and even when I find the right combination of keys to hit, loadkeys won't work and gives a strange reason...)

That, and there are less games.

Windows, as an OS, isn't *bad* per se, but my impression is... <drumroll>

People Hate Microsoft more than they Hate Windows

Microsoft keeps bungling along with monopolistic practices, lies to the government (faked tapes), hidden items in EULAs (recent Media Player agreement said they could install stuff on your computer.), and in their too-agressive marketing ("If you buy the OS, you HAVE to get these OTHER MS-only services...").

That, and the open-source-ness of GNU/Linux is actually not that useful for the average user, who may or may not know how to compile things and to get it working in their own fracticious version of libraries etc. And most of that source code is probably hard to understand even when sporadically commented...

Anyway, just tossing out my "what they really hate" idea there.

Id have to agree its more the company than the product that people SHOULD slate. I use windows for many things but i tend to stick in linux because i like using it. I never force my opinion on anyone unlike others (looks at etsh911/nnn) If people dont want to use windows so be it. If people dont want to use linux they dont have to. Im more against the company than the products they produce. Things such as bedning the EULA bending laws etc