Osama/Usama bin Laden

now... don't get me wrong... i understand that Osama and Usama are some how interchangeable for his name... but the question i am posing is this... how come, ever since i was like 12, i have always heard about Osama bin Laden, but now since 9/11 a good portion of the time they refer to him as Usama? i find this a little confusing. maybe it was just something i never noticed, because he was talked about a lot less on the news prior to 9/11, but i just found it odd...

***ironic note: now that they refer to him as usama his first three letters of his name are USA... conspiracy maybe... ;)

Lol..I have no Idea, then again...The NSA are no closer to finding him than a blind sheepard with a stick who got droped of a plane and landed in USA-ma's terretory..... :)

- Noia

There is no "official" standard for translating
names from one language to another.

The capital of China has been called
Peking, Peiping, and Beijing. It is still
the same place.

When Arabian Nights was first translated into
English, many years ago, it set the standard
for English pronunciation of many Arabic words,
but more recent scholars would like to adjust
spellings and pronunciations to sound more like
people talk today.

The newspapers get caught up in the trend,
always wanting to be more accurate.

So why don't we change the English spelling
of Paris to Paree?
:cool: :cool:

Well Osama and Usama both are the same. People are named 'Osama' but their spelling could be anything. There isn't any convention of spelling when it is translated into English from Arabic.
Peking is officially called Beijing as it is the new name for the China's capital.
Who knows it could even be a conspiracy.;)

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Originally posted here by hollow_man
Well Osama and Usama both are the same. People are named 'Osama' but their spelling could be anything.

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Wow. You must be some kind of Scholar.


Unfortunately, my own answer is just as pathetic. Here are a few other names the worlds number one scapegoat has been known to use-


USAMA BIN LADEN.
Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin
Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin
The Prince
The Emir
Abu Abdallah
Mujahid Shaykh
Hajj

You also forgot The Doctor and The Honcho. Those are seriously some of his codenames.

Osama/Usama.....same *******....i would like to see him get pineapples shoved up his butt until he explodes.... but that is just me.....
P.S.: I am mad

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Originally posted here by Conf1rm3d_K1ll

... number one scapegoat ....

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Maybe so, but he was asking for it. You dont think he is responsible for 911? That is an intersting topic therre all in it self. I dont hear alot of people here in Texas negating the fact thathe is resonsible. Tell me more of your opinoin.

tell you what toker... i don't know who is responsible for 9/11... but you can build a strong case for more people then osama bin laden.

for example the french have built a strong case in support of the United States, being the mastermind of the whole ordeal. Osama bin Laden was just an easy target to frame anyhow. i repeat i do not know who did it, nor do i have a theory, but i am beginning to seriously doubt his involvement. reason number 1 being that he never claimed credit for it (not like he did the other times he did these things) the only "concrete" evidence is some hoaky tape of him talking that the translation keeps changing on. some day the truth might come up.... or maybe not... i mean look at the kennedy assassination.

Okay, So we can't find Bin Laden (Osama\Usama - FK-a-llama) the government decides to make up stories (Buried in cave, dies from neglect to his diabetes, blown up somewhere) that doesn't work. What do we do now? Let's attack Iraq, that would distract everyone from our incompetence. Sorry All, This just makes me SICK!!!! US Bombed a wedding killing innocent people "we want compensation" terrorist fkn' fly into a building killing innocent people in the plane & building" our compensation would to see every last mfkn one of you dead right about. Please don't slam the negs on me. I'll try to avoid these threads, I just had to get that off my chest.

Osama Bin Laden, feared by none, hated by many.. Some would say the 9/11 attack was devastating, some would say it was terrifying, I say Osama has nothing better to do than plot on high powered countries because hes jealous, to know why he does these things you would have to look into the mind of the terrorist, but to really get to the answer, you would have to go back, way back, when his terorist activities started... Some time in around 1983-1985 Osama and his associates started demanding power, power come with money, money comes with success, success come with intelligence.. So therefore around the time when i was born he was organizing one of the largest terrorist group this side of te world has seen, and plotting to overthrow some of the largest countries for their power, to reign on the world to bring forth his development and to overpower his enimies with help from his allies.. not even one of the strongest countries in the world, The United States of America, can even find him, few know why, many know they can't do nothing about it, we all know hes either hiding in pakistan, or some of his other allies countries that are harboring his terrorist network to the fullest at this moment, but we can't do it without the conflict other oter high powered countries, who knows, maybe if the U.S. trys to bring down another terrorist group world war 3 will be started.. we have to look at all the options, and not just 1, because that will be our destruction...

You can see Osama's/Usama's "official" list of aliases here.

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Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director

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Even 9/11 aside, he's still wanted in the US (duh) for other charges:

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Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

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Originally posted here by Dr Toker


Maybe so, but he was asking for it. You dont think he is responsible for 911? That is an intersting topic therre all in it self. I dont hear alot of people here in Texas negating the fact thathe is resonsible. Tell me more of your opinoin.

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LOL...A Texan! I should've guessed. Don't you people still use the death penalty? Barbaric....



Back to the topic. Doesn't your American Constitution say "Innocent until proven guilty"...Show me the proof!


Anyway, I'm not going to go on about it. Lord_darkiside_x summed it up rather well. I'd just be repeating what he's already said....

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Originally posted here by Conf1rm3d_K1ll
Back to the topic. Doesn't your American Constitution say "Innocent until proven guilty"...Show me the proof!

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But they did prove it, right after they ok'd military tribunals again - and us "normal" folk aren't privy to that sort of stuff. ROFL
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Isn't the hypocrisy just amazing...

• Yeah, I don't doubt that Osama may have had something to do with it.
• No, I don't doubt there were other players involved.
• Yeah, I'd love to see the proof too, but I doubt it'll ever happen (someone pointed at the JFK thing).
• Number One Scapegoat is probably not far from the truth.
• Yes, I realize you get on this government's sh*t list and you're basically fscked - probably a good enough reason to "keep your nose clean," so to speak.

I don't have the exact answer to the USA-Usama question, but even on the FBI's website, his name is spelled Usama. I can however provide you with some insight to how this comes about during the translation process between Arabic and translating the alphabet to the Roman form. Greek also has this problem in translation due to it's alphabet, and when using Roman transliterations to write, you will notice that people go about spelling words differently based on dialects and interpretations.

THE WRITING of Arabic words in English texts presents a number of difficulties, even for those who are familiar with both languages.

In 1926, when T E Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") sent his 130,000-word manuscript of Revolt in the Desert to be typeset, a sharp-eyed proof-reader spotted that it was "full of inconsistencies in the spelling of proper names".

Among other things, the proof-reader noted that "Jeddah" alternated with "Jidda" throughout the book, while a man whose name began as Sherif Abd el Mayin later became el Main, el Mayein, el Muein, el Mayin and le Muyein.

Lawrence refused to change the spellings.

"Arabic names," he replied, "won't go into English, exactly, for their consonants are not the same as ours, and their vowels, like ours, vary from district to district."

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/language/roman1.htm

Such inconsistencies may not matter much in a literary work but in many other situations they do matter. For instance, if you wanted to look up an Arab called "Hassan al-Ghobashy" in the telephone directory, he might be listed under A, E or G:

AL-GHOBASHY Hassan
EL-GHOBASHY Hassan
GHOBASHY Hassan al-

Difficulties arise whenever Arabic names are listed alphabetically using the Roman alphabet, and when they are used in databases or search engines. Efforts by the FBI to track down Usama bin Laden's supporters, for instance, were severely hampered by this problem.

Newspapers spell the Libyan leader's name in a variety of ways, with the result that a researcher trying to find articles about him would be likely to miss a significant number of them.

According to the website listed below, there are 32 possible spelling variations of his name:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8744/spelling.htm

Well, seems to me this site is promoting hacking by unfair treatment, if more servers go down thats the webmasters fault for letting immature people control his website, Today I got a very, very stupid message saying, "you been asking inappropriate questions like "How Can I Hack HotMail"? Stop!", Yet I never even asked ONE question reguarding anything, the only thing I do on here is state my opinions, seems to me someone likes harrassing me about my point of view, if you don't like me, you can go suck a dick, or you can simply ignore me, you don't have to ****ing threaten me with your lame and immature lies saying i'm asking **** you came up with right out of ****ing nowhere, so i'm continuing to protest until this harrassment stops, or I get banned, if I do it won't be a big loss, because all i do on here is chat and state my opinions, and if you don't like it, you can take YOUR opinion and shove it up your ass...

i agree with him

Well to me is Osama "the doctor" bin laden did it or not - it's interesting to me that all these guys just flat out hate the US. I think they may have a right to hate us, but hate the gonverment not the people. If the people of the US suddenly started killing Arabs or Muslims for the fact they we don't like their government or way of life we would all be sadly looked down upon by the international community.

But when these "religous" freaks decide it's ok the world says well America had it coming. Let's not forget the gene is out of the bottle and no matter what these jerks don't want peace, they want America dead. So if we have to attack Saddam or another shady middle eastern regime do be it. I for one don't really give a hoot anymore what the international community thinks of us.

I think it will take some horrible act of terrorism like a small nuke in New York or Miami or wherever then all of the sudden all the people that feel sorry for these evil bastages will suddenly get a clue and we'll be able to really get rid of them once and for all.

This is about as politically correct as I can possibly be without using the F word and talking about nuking these sand ticks back to the stone age.

Have a great night

Well, it's good to see that there is some intelligent debate about the old 'terrorist' situation. I was privy to a America's most wanted or similar last night on New Zealand television and I can't help feeling thta it's becoming a bit of a 'Reds under the Bed' rerun.

statements like 'terrorist great skill is there ability to blend in, anyone could be....' make for a setup for anyone questioning old Dub-ya & cronies intentions or motives being branded a 'terrorist' like Hoover and the 'commies'. I don't envy your position at the moment, not one bit.

I found the following link quite interesting. Anyone actually live in the area?

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

here is the thing fake boy.... i understand what you are saying, but i have to disagree... what we did was wrong (bombing the wedding) and what they did was wrong (9/11) but niether fixed the other. killing is not the answer. the whole 9/11 thing (if bin laden did it) was because of people we killed, which was retaliation for something else, and so on, making a big circle. there is no answer and no one is really at fault. people keep taking things out of context. if you try to justify one side as right, it is impossible. no one is right, it all depends on what side of the ball you are on that's all...

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Originally posted here by lord_darkside_x

***ironic note: now that they refer to him as usama his first three letters of his name are USA... conspiracy maybe... ;)

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Terr and Terrorism.........hmmmmmm ;)

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Originally posted here by draziw


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But they did prove it, right after they ok'd military tribunals again - and us "normal" folk aren't privy to that sort of stuff. ROFL
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WHEN AMERICA SHOWS ME PROOF THAT 3 AUSTRALIANS WERE BREAKING AUSTRALIAN OR INTERNATIONAL RULES WHEN CAPTURED IN AFGHANISTAN OR PAKISTAN AND THEN TREATED LIKE DOGS IN A CAGE NOT FIT FOR HUMANS WITHOUT RED CROSS HELP AND LAWYER ACCESS.

I will then think again on American favourite word.."Freedom"
I heard America declare WAR on the Taliban.
So if this is a war..Why have soldiers captured not been treated like one under U.N laws??
Why does America keep them in CUBA.
A country they try to say is so ROTTEN all the time yet its good enough for them to make a jail there?

Show us the evidence or release our People!! :mad:

INFO...I'm NOT questioning your story, or that it is true. I simply haven't heard about it, and would like a link?

Thanks!
Deb :D

C'mon, Deb...Where ya been hiding? Here's a link to our most publicised Australian being held in violation of International law. There are two others...Just give ma a chance to find a link. Or, alternatively, you could just use our friend Mr Google...

Ok.... here's another....

Sorry for not providing links...
Those 2 above in Conf1rm3d_K1ll's post cover things very well...

You will then understand...Not all of us are happy with America's attitudes and actions.

There is actually an Ex soldier missing in the area(So called as when they find him they will lock him up)..This soldier had mental problems after East Timor service and left the Army and his family believe he left for Afghanistan to follow the muslim way..Not to fight!!

This is the 3rd person i refer to as he has still not been found or in America's way..CAPTURED!!

/me crawls out from under the rock she's been hiding under.

Okay enough of the funny stuff.

"The Australian government is, frankly, pathetic in that, for the argument of convenience, we are letting this man be held in conditions that clearly violate established conventions on the treatment of prisoners." The U.S. government classifies the men as "illegal combatants," not prisoners of war, and therefore they don't have the rights laid out in the Geneva Convention.

This is just wrong. It alarms me that the American gov't is behaving in a manner they would be banging a gong and ripping to shreds if it was another "enlightened" country. I think that things have gotten way out of hand. It is a frightening enough time to be an American, without having to wonder just what the hell our gov't is getting up to without us knowing about it.

I DO support our troops, for those of you who are going to rip me to shreds for not supporting our government. Our troops are doing what they are being asked to do, and it is wrong. However, there is little choice when you've been dumped in the middle of a desert but to do the best you can to come home alive.

I don't understand personally what the difference b/w an "illegal combatant" and a POW is. Seems to me that if you are fighting with an opposing army, and you are captured, you are a POW. And deserve POW rights.

It is a bad bad bad situation, and I suppose to some extent, I have been hiding under a rock. I would rather not get involved in the swearing and yelling and unhappiness that the threads like this normally involve, and I don't know how I can personally really make a difference. Plus whenever it is brought up at my house, my hubby and I usually end up on opposite ends of the house not speaking to each other for several hours.

But to all of those who don't like what the US gov't is doing.....A lot of Americans don't like it either.

Deb

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Originally posted here by debwalin

It is a bad bad bad situation, and I suppose to some extent, I have been hiding under a rock. I would rather not get involved in the swearing and yelling and unhappiness that the threads like this normally involve, and I don't know how I can personally really make a difference. Plus whenever it is brought up at my house, my hubby and I usually end up on opposite ends of the house not speaking to each other for several hours.

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I try and stay away from these threads as much as possible for the same reasons, but I want to share my point of view as well, thinking maybe it will make a difference.

I've never liked the idea of not knowing exactly what my government was doing. And for a lot of reasons, I understand why they do this. If they broadcasted everything they did on television, then the 'enemies' would know exactly what we were doing at all times. So they throw a lot of misleading information on the television, which is why I don't bother watching the news, except for local happenings. I don't think the US government has ruled out other parties involved in the 9/11 tragedy, I think they've just shifted their 'community focus' to Osama Bin Laden to 'distract' the general public and other governments while they're looking into all possibilities. Like I said...this is what I think, and I could be completely wrong.

(Try and follow me on the next one here, I'm going to make some generallized racist remarks, but understand I am NOT racist in any way, I'm just trying to shed some light on the situation.)

I think that not only the American people are confused, but the American Government, even if it's not admitted, and even if they are trying to work through this without letting their own people know exactly what is going on. We've had many scares similar to this in this country, such as during WWII, where we locked up Japanese-Americans because of WHO they were and that they 'might' be affiliated with the Japanese that bombed us.

http://members.aol.com/EARTHSUN/Manzanar.html

In a situation such as the camps we built for Japanese-Americans and the situation that faces us now, although we're trying as hard as we can not to make that mistake again, it's easier to point out the 'potential bad-guys' as one would call them because of the color of their skin.
Middle Eastern people are characterized by their dark features, darker skin color..etc. and it's easier to point them out in a country such as this one. Where as, if the opposite were true, and we were trying to find German-Americans, the task would be harder, because they're under the Caucasian category, and you'd have to look in their background before you pulled one of them off the street because of the way they looked.

I think that there's a true panic going on here. If you're found associating with someone who comes from a country that these terrorist attacks originated from, people are going to point their fingers and go why. That INCLUDES our government. And if you're found in a country that's under scrutiny for originating terrorist activity, you're going to get the same finger pointing. I know it's not right, but as I said...people are scared.

I don't think the US Government KNOWS what to do, and can't really say that at the present time due to the circumstances and the vulnerabilities that the truth would cause. And I don't blame them...I don't know if I would know if I were in their position.

As Deb said, I support our troops...I have a few family members in the field right now, that I wait desperately to hear from as news reaches back here. I believe in times like these, where troops are dispatched, it's the troops that make the real difference, not the voice behind them. If it came down to a full blown war over this whole situation, it's OUR people, not OUR government that will fight for what we believe in. So it's easy to sit in your big leather chair smoking your stogie and tell the troops beneath you that you want something done, because you're not going to do it yourself. Vietnam definitely comes to mind when I say this. And May 4th at Kent State University, where I attend school, also comes to mind.

On a final note, the whole "innocent until proven guilty", I've read some articles on this concerning war affiliations and such, and from what I've read, although that goes for the American people, but when it's during a time of war, etc...it doesn't really apply. Don't quote me on this, but that's the impression that I got from some of the things I've read.

Grrr...I'm confused.

well greek i understand what you are saying... but i think that the use of misinformation by our government is not only to confuse our enemies, but to keep the american people behind the government. if you knew the things that were really going on, you would prolly not support the government. this is why they do what they do.

as for our troops... i agree that we need to support the troops because it is their lives on the line, but i don't think there is a reason to risk the lives of troops. war is not an answer. sending people who have nothing to do with the situation out to kill more people that are not directly involved does not solve conflicts between governments and countries.

i am sorry to hear that you have people in the field greek, and i wish them and you the best, and hope that they will be returned to you safely.

In regards to the original question,

I don't know how much truth to it, but I did hear it on one of the news networks, that the real name was usama but that the US had preferred to use osama so as not to be confused with something like the US Military Academy... (the abbreviation would have been like USMA or USAMA)...I forget which...but that was the 'excuse' given by the network to explain their use of usama instead of what everyone else was calling him (osama)...


Neb

Ok, so we bombed a wedding, how many people died? a couple? now onto 9/11...how many people died?? Thousands!!!! i say we dont stop till we find Osama (will not put usama dont want the USA to be in anything realted to him) and put him down a slide with little razors into a pool of alcohol....hehe..just my sick dimented $.02

PhenZen, you bastard. Congratulations, you're the first one on these forums that actually pissed me off. Those were innocent poeple you idiot, just like the ones that died in the 9/11 attacks.

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Originally posted here by PhenZen
Ok, so we bombed a wedding, how many people died? a couple? now onto 9/11...how many people died?? Thousands!!!!

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That's a rather idiotic and hypocritical way of looking at things. Some 50 people who had nothing to do with the WTC bombings lose their lives and it's not bad? The whole reason the Americans have gone to this 'war on terror' is because of the murder of innocents, and that somehow makes it okay to in turn become as bad as the enemy?

Woah...first off i never said that this was ok....so if you thought that your wrong. All i am saying is that neither were right, but people are getting bent over a wedding being bombed, and couldn't give a **** about 9/11. If you have a problem with me oh well..

Ok, in that case, I misunderstood you, and I apologise.

Just so everyone knows, i did blow my cool a little, but i didn't mean to offend anyone, if i did, i am sorry...