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Michael Franti, live on Rock Werchter
Ever since 9/11, President Bush -audience: boooooooooooooooh- has declared a War on Terrorism...I think Bush is full of crap. Bombing another country should be labeled terrorism as well from now on.
"We can bomb the world into pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace"...
"We can love the world to pieces, and yes we can love it into peace"...
Although I totally agree with the quote in your post (especially the booooooooooh-ing) I have one question. Please excuse my ignorance. Who is Michael Franti?
So instead we should just sit back and let another government gain control that believes in oppression of women and kill their own citizens. Hmm, maybe if we turn our backs a new nazi type government will appear, and kill everyone in the region. That would be cool.. Sounds like a great plan Neg, lemme know when the killings take place and women and children are being murdered. I guess the US should just turn its back on the rest of the world, cause it seems that when we do try and help, all we get is bitched at. Great plan....[/sarcasm] :rolleyes:
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Originally posted here by xmaddness
. Hmm, maybe if we turn our backs a new nazi type government will appear, and kill everyone in the region.
It's all ready happened. The latest terrorist act of this new "Nazi Government" was the bombing of a wedding party. Perhaps you've heard about it?
Hmm, I dunno bout you, but when I goto a wedding, I don't bring an ak-47 and shoot wildly in the air while planes are passing overhead. America a nazi government? Hmm last time I checked we weren't randomly killing inncocent women and children, but of course I have a biased view and I'm hidden from the cruel and ruthless killings that the US goverment does on its own citezens. Maybe the next time I walk into Wendy's, I'll be greeted by the US army, and if I shaved my beard, or if I have the wrong haircut, I get shot in the back of the head. No trial, no jury, just shot in the head. Sounds like the USA, yup. We are ruthless. I can't wait till I get my new AK-47 and go into the local store and shoot whoever I want. I just can't wait. sig america, sid america.. the next Nazi government. /me prepares a gas chamber in his backyard. [/sarcasm] I hope this thread commits suicide... then we can blame it on the US government..Quote:
It's all ready happened. The latest terrorist act of this new "Nazi Government" was the bombing of a wedding party. Perhaps you've heard about it?
Your argument contains no logic at all. To me it reads like the ramblings of a 13 year old child. I can't even try and have a serious debate with such childish thinking. But don't worry, soon this thread will be full of more inane ramblings from people who think like yourself and you'll recieve a heap of positive points for half thought out posts.
Come back and pm me when you've educated yourself on the topic. A good place to start would be reading a book titled "Afghanistan, A History Of Conflict" by John C Griffiths. Also, you could write to your local polotician and complain about the "Pre Emptive Strike" bill....
bah this thread is ****in pointless..... educated.. well i did graduate college, but of course it was an american college and therefor I'm just brainwashed.. I love your guys view of this country. Just keep bashing it, and then when your countries get invaded, don't come crawling here.. I'm ****in outta here
Unless their country has an abundent natural resource...I don't think they'd get any help even if they did come crawling here for help...Quote:
bah this thread is ****in pointless..... educated.. well i did graduate college, but of course it was an american college and therefor I'm just brainwashed.. I love your guys view of this country. Just keep bashing it, and then when your countries get invaded, don't come crawling here.. I'm ****in outta here
With power comes responsiblility, And we are a powerhouse in the world. We have a responsiblility to have moral values here, in regards to poorer countrys. Right or wrong, we are involved either way.
So xmaddness, it takes an attack on the US for them to do something about such a country? The US should do something but maybe something more constructive.
Who is Michael Franti?
DId you think we just started looking for Bin-Laden, and started helping them long time ago. We just opened the flood gates due to the attacks.
A “War on Terrorism” was probable a poor choice of words, but proving the name inadequate does not prove our actions wrong.
The truth of the matter is, a gang of fanatics put a gaping hole in our country and we’re going to get them for it. Stop them before they do it again, to ours or another country. Maybe yours.
They show you pictures of dead men in civilian clothing and claim that were killing scores of innocent civilians. What do you think these ass holes were after dress in, OD uniforms?
Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.
Hector Berlioz
Okies... Michael Franti is Spearhead's lead-singer. All I did was quote Michael on a Belgium concert. Mr. Franti though is one of those people I ****ing respect. Why? Because what he says makes sense, unless your rambling.Quote:
Originally posted by xmaddness
So instead we should just sit back and let another government gain control that believes in oppression of women and kill their own citizens. Hmm, maybe if we turn our backs a new nazi type government will appear, and kill everyone in the region. That would be cool.. Sounds like a great plan Neg, lemme know when the killings take place and women and children are being murdered. I guess the US should just turn its back on the rest of the world, cause it seems that when we do try and help, all we get is bitched at. Great plan....[/sarcasm]
You seem to think that whatever ain't American, is bad. You seem to think that America is the ultimate country of freedom. You seem to think that America always chooses the right side. You seem to think that America is allowed to bomb and kill women and children because 'they are terrorists'. It's not because of that we're not American that we rape women, that we're 'Nazis'...(I'm pretty sure you don't even know what Nazism was about anyways).Quote:
[url=http://64.78.45.52/index.htm]Michael Franti
The bogus election of 2000 ushered in America's favorite son ("Er,well maybe George Senior's favorite son")... Unfortunately my message board prediction of last January that we would be in a major military conflict within eighteen months, unfortunately has come brutally true on more than one occasion (China, Japanese fishing boat, shooting down missionaries in Colombia, bombing of Iraq, Afghanistan...who's next?)
Bush's failure to ratify the Kyoto agreement on global warming, may ultimately have a greater affect on the world in the long run (except for the people that we have already killed).
And about those Kyoto agreements: check Google on them, and read how Mr. Bush is destroying our planet... That's right: OUR planet, being destroyed by Mr. Bush (Yes, READ IT before you start commenting. Facts is all I need, FACTS, not propaganda - READ about how 160 countries agree, and Mr. Bush doens't agree...).
When I go to a wedding, I don't expect foreign troups to bomb me. If shooting guns is a habit in that country, what gives you the right to bomb them? What's next? Bombing Canada for organizing the World Contest of Fireworks (June 30, 2002). What gives you the right anyway to fly over that country? Your 'war' on terrorism? You have special 'Spot Osama'-camera's in your planes, or what?Quote:
Originally posted by xmaddness
Hmm, I dunno bout you, but when I goto a wedding, I don't bring an ak-47 and shoot wildly in the air while planes are passing overhead. America a nazi government? Hmm last time I checked we weren't randomly killing inncocent women and children, but of course I have a biased view and I'm hidden from the cruel and ruthless killings that the US goverment does on its own citezens. Maybe the next time I walk into Wendy's, I'll be greeted by the US army, and if I shaved my beard, or if I have the wrong haircut, I get shot in the back of the head. No trial, no jury, just shot in the head. Sounds like the USA, yup. We are ruthless. I can't wait till I get my new AK-47 and go into the local store and shoot whoever I want. I just can't wait. sig america, sid america.. the next Nazi government. /me prepares a gas chamber in his backyard. [/sarcasm] I hope this thread commits suicide... then we can blame it on the US government..
And about the 'Nazi-thing: read "Mein Kampf" or another Nazi-biography before you talk about Nazism. I'm pretty sure you have no clue what Nazism was all about...
And xmaddness... the more you say this thread is pointless, the more you agree with my/WebCarnage's point. The only difference between the real world and this forum: we 'fight' with equal weapons here, and the only weapon that counts here is 'THE TRUTH'... So why don't you stick your AKwhatever in your ass, and act like a man (not an American man, though, because all that seems to matter to America men is the size of their gun...)
I'm Belgian, one tank should be enough to take us out....
PS: I lub Americans.
first they were already in control... second, it was none of our business... besides, now the people of afghanistan hate us more then before... and we "freed" them from tyrannyQuote:
So instead we should just sit back and let another government gain control that believes in oppression of women and kill their own citizens.
since that isn't what happened i guess it doesn't matter what you do at weddings...Quote:
i don't bring an ak-47 and shoot wildly in the air while planes are passing overhead
see... here is the thing.... there are women and children being murdered everywhere... but we are only in countries that are "strategically" more valuable... gee, i am glad we are such a nice nation to help only the people we deem valuable. glad that we are so great that we can be judge of what is right and wrong. i am glad that all morals can be decided by america, the greatest nation in the world... what a load of crap... talk about cammunism. we have no right to be involved or to say who is right or wrong.Quote:
Sounds like a great plan Neg, lemme know when the killings take place and women and children are being murdered. I guess the US should just turn its back on the rest of the world, cause it seems that when we do try and help, all we get is bitched at. Great plan..
Its so easy to just insult the intelligence of someone you don't agree with. It just so happens that I have read many, many papers by Machiavelli, Marx, Rousseau, Voltaire, and Descartes just to name a few, and yes I have read mein kampf. I know exactly went thru hitler's head and the propagander he employed. Do not assume so much about someones intelligence, it just belittles you. There is absolutly no reason I can find to continue discussing this pointless thread. It appears to me that you are only looking to stir **** up. Well, that you have achieved. Speaking for the United States, When Belgium was attacked by germany in WW2, who was there and liberated you? So was it Germany acting as the terrorist, or were we, the Americans, the terrorists invading germanies right to occupy? These are all pointless ****ing discussions! Sounds really familiar to what the US is doing in afganistan. We aided an underground Beligian army to liberate your country. Is this NOT the same ****ing thing the USA is doing with the Northern Alliance? I bid you all ado.. I'm sure you are going to come back with some other type of propaganda bullshit like the nazi's did. There are your facts. Not propaganda, just the facts that YOU claim to so heavily rely upon. Just as all philosophers come to realize, the only thing we can agree on, is that we disagree. Now I'm done, and you can contimue your bashing of the efforts of the USA.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that the allied army lost over 77,000 people while fighting in just ONE battle for you Belgians. Perhaps you should go back over your history to the battle of the buldge. As you are representing your country, as am I, you should be ashamed of yourself.
This thread is a hot potato and a response will depend on your own personal views of current affairs.
It has been said "For evil to exist, good men everywhere need do nothing" - again this will depend on your interpretation of evil. The issues surrounding this are far too complex and there is so much for each side to argue for and against.
You may reserve the right to hate me, but I reserve the right not to hate you back based on the colour of your skin, your country of birth, your religion or beliefs - but I do reserve the right to defend myself from you - but I will still not hate you, people that look like you or people that think like you - hate is self defeating.
I do not like the way the world is heading and fear for the consequences of the actions of our generation on a world my children will inherit. Trying to teach them tolerance and respect is getting harder every day.
Unfortunately for us, mankind being what we are, will continue to be in conflict with one another for one reason or another as we have done down through the centuries - history has apparently taught many of us nothing.
If war and killing were the answer to our problems, these problems would have been resolves a long time ago.
I hate to point it out, but the US basically sponsored several major repressive governments, and in some cases ousted democratically-elected socialist governments...
Point to an "evil" (very loaded word) government now-a-days and there is a good chance you'll find US 'meddling' back in there somewhere.
Just a funny bunch of semi-editorial comic strips to look through.
And just for the record... I never assign ANY antipoints in threads like these. The views of people in these types of threads, are their views. If you don't agree with it, POST IT! Don't hide behind the antipoint buttons.
I don't know if this will work... I 'abused' my Admin-status, and re-opened this thread. I don't know who's been assigning negs for NO REASON to most of the posters to this thread, and I don't know why you did it. You're probably 'more powerfull' than I am, and I don't ****ing care. At least I tell you why I don't agree. The one giving out antipoints (hrmmm...weird.. the same amount to each and everyone) can kiss my sweet behind.
JP: sorry if I 'abused' my status. There's nothing I can do about it (re-opening the thread doesn't help), so I'm gonna give all of you positive ap's on another thread...
Crap...I'm abusing it again (although I just pushed some buttons): Mr. AntiPoints-assigner: Lord, Xmad, Penguin, Terr, ...watch your back..