Re: Re: Ant-iAmerican-ism
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Originally posted here by Zadok0552
I may have have missed some posts, but I have NOT see anyone STARTING THREADS here saying that all people who say negative things they don't like about the U.S. should be deported. INSTEAD, I see people like you posting criticism of reactions from people that you have deliberately antagonized. Do you mean that you don't know your mother well enough to know that what you said about her country is hurtful to her? It is obvious to me that you deliberately said things to upset her and your co-workers. This has NOTHING to do with the U.S. - other than the fact that you have used criticism of your country as a way to irritate other people. When others say "then leave", are so dense as to not understand that the simply don't wish to discuss this any further? GROW UP!!!
Similar to the poster who thinks that (paraphrase) "you'll grow out it." I think that you have maturity problems. Anyone who deliberately antagonizes others then receives a rebuke and then whines about it later is someone who frankly needs a little ass whuppin'.
Whoa. Narrow minded thinking if you ask me.
In what way are lord_darksides's opinions antagonizing and what kind of people gets upset for the opinions he expressed? Seems to me there is a lacking of nuance in this debate and that when someone is trying to express something else they get told to move. It is undemocratic and totally against the freedom you so proudly hold before everybody.
The foundation of democracy are different views and the equal expression of them. If one side or one opinion is silenced democracy is thrown out the window.
You either tell lord_darkside_x to shut up and stand for the fact that you oppose your american freedom or you stand by his side for his right to express whatever is on his mind, wether you like it or not. That's what your freedom of speech is all about. Or maybe you just like it when people say what you think is appropriate?
I would even say that it is of uttermost importance in any democratic society to deliberatly toss in some inconvienient opinions into the discussions just to keep them going. A free democratic society demands debate. I can't stress this enough.`
Cheers,
Re: Re: Re: Ant-iAmerican-ism
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Originally posted here by Mankan
You either tell lord_darkside_x to shut up and stand for the fact that you oppose your american freedom or you stand by his side for his right to express whatever is on his mind, wether you like it or not. That's what your freedom of speech is all about. Or maybe you just like it when people say what you think is appropriate?
Are you trying to dictate to me? You obviously have no idea of freedom, including my right to express myself in the way that I please. You obviously have NO IDEA of "freedom of speech." Did I hit a nerve? Are you a disrespectful child, like dark, who insults his/her mother and friends? Ansd then PRETENDS to understand what freedom of speech is about! HAH!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ant-iAmerican-ism
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Originally posted here by Zadok0552
Are you trying to dictate to me? You obviously have no idea of freedom, including my right to express myself in the way that I please. You obviously have NO IDEA of "freedom of speech." Did I hit a nerve? Are you a disrespectful child, like dark, who insults his/her mother and friends? Ansd then PRETENDS to understand what freedom of speech is about! HAH!
I just find it rather amusing that you call me and LDX disrespectful kids when you run out of arguments. You can belive what you want about me I really don't care.
I think your post pretty much shows everyone who is what.
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Originally posted here by roccobarbi
Let me answer also to Guus and sOnIc, all in a single message. As a matter of fact patriotism is a disease of almost any group of people (let me use this term instead of "nation", which is a word I hate as a nonsense) in this (let me say) ****in' (I promise, it's my last bad word in this message) capitalistic world, be they americans, europeans, russians and even afghans. And let me say that I'm saying all this WITHOUT willing to insult any of you, I'm just against patriotism and I'm against patriots only in what concerns their ideas about (their?) nations.
If we speak about WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Etiopia (I don't know the english name), Falklands, Gulf war, Yugoslavia war, and even 9/11 and Afghanistan: who made money (or anything else) out of it? Surely not the people who fought and/or died, be they soldiers, terrorists and victims. What I mean with this confused (I admit it, but I have no time to write a better one now) speech? It's not another nation or group of proletarians, our enemy. It's capitalism, in every form and any nation.
How does it relates to patriotism? Well, I think no one should be patriot because patriotism (and nations themselves) is just a capitalistic stuff.
To use the words of Trotzskji: "I'm the most faithful citzien of my nation, and my nation is the whole world".
By now, that's all folks!
Roccobarbi.
PS: Let's try how much you trust your own ideas. If it's true that you accept and respect other people's ideas, you'll just answer without kicking me out of year.
You do have some valid point although I oppose your criticism of capitalism. The problem I see with patriotism is that it creates a "us vs. them"-dilemma.
Also, if a nation becomes very patriotic, like America after 9/11. The people of said nation might accept certain actions taken by the government or certain groups that they would oppose under normal circumstances. (Warfare, invasion of privacy and so on) so in that sence patriotism serve against democracy and open debate which should be the pillars of any civilized state.
It's a very complex issue.
Cheers,