Networking...

Ok this is something I have been wondering about for a while now.

I need to know if there is any way to share a dial up connection through a hub connecting two computers together.

I know that you can connect a DSL connection or a Cable modem directly to the hub and that works.

I also know that you can have the internet connection on one computer and share that with the other. But what I really what to know is, if there is anyway for both computers to be independent and dial up through the hub.

Is this even possible...? :confused:

Quick anwser: no... not directly...

Ammo

Im not to sure never tried this, but you might with internet sharing in your internet explorer settings. Again not to sure but it might work.

First off, connecting a DSL or Cable modem to your hub may not necessarily work. Generally you need a router in order to route the traffic to each individual computer. As for connecting indepedently through the hub, no, you can't. The best bet would be to just use ICS. You can configure it so that if you're other computer needs to connect to the 'net, it will automatically dial-up the modem in the other computer to gain access.

AJ

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Originally posted here by cutty
I need to know if there is any way to share a dial up connection through a hub connecting two computers together.

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Yes, you may have the internet connection on one computer and share that with the other.

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Originally posted here by cutty
But what I really what to know is, if there is anyway for both computers to be independent and dial up through the hub.

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It would be impossible to have one system dial up, occupy the phone line and have another attempt to dial out. The phone line would already be in use. If you are looking for a way to split the phone line so one or the other can dial out with out having to reconnect the phone line to each PC, you could use a two way RJ-11 splitter. Otherwise, unless you some connection that allows your PC to connect and will allow another item to dial out on the same line....

Its Not Gonna Happen...

Thanks guys. I think I am getting to the core of this problem.


Joey_Batch_File you mentioned:

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If you are looking for a way to split the phone line so one or the other can dial out with out having to reconnect the phone line to each PC, you could use a two way RJ-11 splitter.

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Ok tell me this. If I use that splitter where do I connect the phone line, to the hub or to one PC?

Again, with this splitter will either PC be able to connect to the internet independent of each other. Meaing that if one is turned off the other can dial up and when the one that was turned off is turned on it can join in on that same connection and vise versal? :confused:

I can answer that. Simply connect the phone splitter the phone outlet in the wall. Connect each computer to the splitter via a phone line. You will be able to dial up with a computer as long as the line isn't busy. Once you are connected to the Internet with one computer, you will have to wait until you have disconnected that computer before you can connect with the other one. Any place which sells the splitters can give you a demonstration how to do it.

AJ

Sorry avdven but I already know that. I just wanted to know if there was a way, in other words, to create mutual servers. Which ever computer connects first becomes the server on the network. So that, either computer doesn't need to dial in through the other.

All due respect...

There are (expensive) ways to do that, though I wouldn't recommend any of them to an individual. If you need detailed information about such products, you can PM me and I can help you, though it's going to cut a pretty big hole in your wallet... Do you need to share your Internet access? If it's that big of a deal, I would honestly just go with ICS, setting up one of the computers as a server. Why do you need the Internet server to be interchangable? In a peer-to-peer network situation, there's no need to have dual Internet sharing servers. Just set up one up as an ICS server and the other as a client and you're set. Honestly, in my opinion, that's going to be the absolute easiest method (also the least expensive).

AJ

Thanks avdven. ...

I guess I will stick to the server option. I was just wondering because my roomate keeps turning off his computer and the connection I created was on his machine since his machine was faster. I will just have to get him to keep it turned on.

Peace

Cutty

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Originally posted here by cutty
Sorry avdven but I already know that. I just wanted to know if there was a way, in other words, to create mutual servers. Which ever computer connects first becomes the server on the network. So that, either computer doesn't need to dial in through the other.

All due respect...

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Well you could install ICS software (not necessarily M$'s ICS) on both computers and when one dials the net, the other computer would have to reconfigure their gateway to match the IP of the computer that dialed the net.

If done manually, it would be a real hassle (I think you have to reboot windows to change gateways.. :) ) I am not sure if there is software to do this for you or not. You might be able to write some kind of script, but my knowledge of windows scripting is too limited to answer that.

It would be best to buy a router that has a builtin 56k modem, or aquire an old PI (or simillar) and use it s a dedicated dial in box.

--Sudo

I've already tried connecting a DSL connection through a HUB and it doesn't work especially if you have a USB modem. If you're just setting up a regular internet sharing network then just stick with a router like asante or linksys then connect the computers together. If there is a network already present then just hook your HUB up to the WAN port on the router or switch. To me, it sounds like your sort of in a way trying to create a token ring.*Just adding from my point of view*

Azn_Acid, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. You're correct that a USB DSL modem will not connet to a hub or router (unless, of course, you have a USB modem-enabled router, which do exist). That doesn't really apply, though, since he already has a network in place, but is using dial-up, not broadband connections.

Also, to connect to a preexisting network, you must connect a standard port on the hub to an uplink port on a switch/router with a straight through cable or connect the two using standard ports on each with a crossover cable. The WAN connection is used to connect to a Wide Area Network (such as the Internet, via a DSL or cable modem).

You also talk about a token ring network. I think that you need to do some further research regarding token ring networks. Token ring networks (quite different from ethernet networks, which he is running) were created by IBM. A token ring isn't a specific topology, it's an entirely different project model (802.5). If you to learn more about token ring networks, check out the 802.5 standard at www.ieee.org or do a search on Google.

AJ

Well, thx for the info adven, I guess I didn't read thoroughly enough. I'm still trying to catch on to the aspects of the networking area.

MultiTech make a dialup router which is not that expensive which does dial on demand routing to any dialup connection... it is nice little product for location that might not have DSL or Cable servicing their area. You can also multi-link two modem to the connection (128K in theory)

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Here the link to the MultiTech site and the dial router

http://www.multitech.com/DOCUMENTS/datasheets/487.asp

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Hey, interesting piece of hardware!
I would then have to change my first answer to "yes: see paldie's post!" ;)

Didn't know of any company that did a dial-up router...

Ammo

We are using these for clients who are in remote areas dialing into a Cisco Router (similar to an ISP setup where the user dials up a connection for internet. Only this is private net) The area in faily remote and does not have DSL in many of the out lying areas. But this allows us to do DDR from the client side when the client needs to access a network device the router dials and it is tranparent to the user. It just add latency on the initial connection.

hey , u can use Dlink Router .. Which is easy to configure for dialup connection . it doesn't cost much.

You can do this just and I'd tell you exactly how but I don't know your configuration. If you have windows then:

Dial up with computer1 you'll get a valid WAN side IP. Then Set up internet connection sharing and use DHCP to give computer2, your your other computer, an ip address. With DSL or cable you shouldnt have any problem at all. If you have a good ISP such as Earthlink then you get 3 sessions on their redback server so if one times out then you can still be connected, earthlink doesn't necessarily want you to know this; but you can use this to your advantage. Earthlink has some good docs out there, or did. I didn't have the time to read these docs but here is a link to some info from Earthlink that might help out.

http://support.earthlink.net/support...key=connecting

Another solution, albeit, not cost effective, would be to buy a cheap router.

Cachinga

Winproxy. Works great

Sorry,

That link should have been:

http://support.earthlink.net/support...key=connecting

Thanks guys. You all have helped me a great bunch, but paldie you hit the nail on the head.

Just knowing that the dialup router is out there is greart news, even if it is a bit costy.

Thanks again... I love this site...

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