I just wanted to know if anyone could tell me where to get a good usable shell account not one thats so limited it's worthless.
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I just wanted to know if anyone could tell me where to get a good usable shell account not one thats so limited it's worthless.
Did you even bother to read the Newbie FAQ? You should search for questions in the archives before posting a question.
Here are some previous threads covering the same topic:
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=232316
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=230749
AJ
did you do a search on the main page for threads about shell accts? If not, its a good idea to search before posting, but to save you the trouble, you cant find any good ones unless you are willing to pay for them, as most are limited because of script kiddies abusing them.
sorry bout that didn't think about using the search on the site
And did you want to get a free shell account? Those are usually the only accounts that are limited and don't have access to utilities. If you are looking to pay for one, then there are lots of good options for you, do a search on google for something like "cheap shell". You'll get lots of sites. Look for something between $5-10, if you are seeing shells for higher $10, don't bother, you don't need them.
The best shell account available to any user is set up by that user himself. Get it? If you want a good, fully functional shell, I would recommend that you set up a machine with that ability. It's not all that hard to do these days. All you need is 486 or better w/ 32mb ram, maybe a 1GB hdd. Networking support through ethernet or dial up would be available to you. In all reality you could potentially find a decent paid account, but again, the best will be the one that is setup specifically for you and that is best done through your own machine.
otherwise, a quick google search should get you more than enough information on various shell providers and what they offer.
Hope this helps.
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should you go the route of setting up yer own box, linux systems may be a good place for you to start. get linux free. http://linuxiso.org/
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Yes, khakisrule is right. However, I don't see the reasoning for renting a shell when it is so much easier, and more flexible, to install *nix on your own hardware.Quote:
Originally posted here by khakisrule
And did you want to get a free shell account? Those are usually the only accounts that are limited and don't have access to utilities. If you are looking to pay for one, then there are lots of good options for you, do a search on google for something like "cheap shell". You'll get lots of sites. Look for something between $5-10, if you are seeing shells for higher $10, don't bother, you don't need them.
I can only really think of one reason, and that is the ability to have a fast, dedicated connection to the internet. Even though the speed isn't really any issue considering the drive quota is typically very low for shell accounts (especially free and cheap ones.) I guess there is always those who wish to run an "eggdrop," but those are usually prohibited on most shells anyways.
In the past, shells were widely used for the development tools, IRC, and email that was easily accesed through a shell. But now (with many opensource OSs available at anyones fingertoips), I don't see why so many people are asking about where they can get a shell.
Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why a shell would be beter than *nix on your own hardware?
--Sudo
Sudo, the only reason I can give you why a shell would be better than a dedicated *nix box is because a lot of people only have one computer and do not have the money nor the reason to buy another one. Shell accounts will allow you to experiment with *nix systems (at least basic commands) up until you have the ability to install a dedicated *nix workstation either at home or at your office.
AJ
Ok, well let me present you with a few options in a situation such as the one you describe:Quote:
Originally posted here by avdven
Sudo, the only reason I can give you why a shell would be better than a dedicated *nix box is because a lot of people only have one computer and do not have the money nor the reason to buy another one. Shell accounts will allow you to experiment with *nix systems (at least basic commands) up until you have the ability to install a dedicated *nix workstation either at home or at your office.
AJ
a) http://www.vmware.com
b) http://www.cygwin.com/
c) Various other emulators
These allow you to run *nix in windows, without the restrictions that a shell would have.
--Sudo
True, but have you had good experiences with any of those? I was forced to use cygwin for a few months for a research project I was involved in and never quite got it working with the components I needed. Part of the project involved recompiling the kernel to allow access to certain features, but once it was recompiled they never quite worked. The components ran flawlessly on a Linux machine at home office, though. Just a problem with cygwin. And VMWare, while a nice product isn't free and for someone on a tight budget, is not really worth it. If they have the money to buy VMWare, they would have enough to buy an older system to install some *nix flavor upon it.
AJ
For about the cost of $50 (U.S.) you could find a P133 or something of the like that will work more than sufficiently as a headless *nix box. Check it out here. There are machines that are available w/ monitors for $50 (U.S.) - shipping is negotiated between seller and buyer, so there is potential that regardless of location you could take advantage of this.
If you are willing to pay for a shell account, I would recommend these guys : http://www.hardlink.net/Services/shells.html
I've never used them, but I've known people that have and have been fairly happy.
Good luck.
Hmm, that's weird.Quote:
Originally posted here by avdven
True, but have you had good experiences with any of those? I was forced to use cygwin for a few months for a research project I was involved in and never quite got it working with the components I needed. Part of the project involved recompiling the kernel to allow access to certain features, but once it was recompiled they never quite worked. The components ran flawlessly on a Linux machine at home office, though. Just a problem with cygwin.
Yah, I totally agree with that. But atleast they give you a free 30 day trial to test drive it. :)Quote:
And VMWare, while a nice product isn't free and for someone on a tight budget, is not really worth it. If they have the money to buy VMWare, they would have enough to buy an older system to install some *nix flavor upon it.
However, those are not the only two options. There is always dual booting. You can make a very slim install of *nix if all you want is a shell and a few "killer apps." 500 MB would be the maximum amount that you would need to install most *nix OSs including apps.
If there is a will. There is a way.
--Sudo
chefer: awesome site man, I never knew you could find old parts so easily and in abundance, thanks man. I think I may make myself a shell account :)
Too true. The problem I had with cygwin was recompiling the kernel to intergrate portions of the IBM ViaVoice SDK. That was why I ended up abandoning ViaVoice for Linux and going with NaturallySpeaking and ViaVoice for Windows instead.Quote:
If there is a will. There is a way.
Regarding shells, though, I used to use some shells before I had Linux and Unix machines of my own, but that was back before people really wanted them and there were no restrictions upon them. If you have some money to spend, I'd take chefer's suggestion:
Not only would you have the shell you want, but you'd also have administrative access, giving you the opportunity to learn a great deal more than you would with a simple shell account.Quote:
For about the cost of $50 (U.S.) you could find a P133 or something of the like that will work more than sufficiently as a headless *nix box.
AJ
Problem with setting up your own shell, is that your IP gets printed on everything. The best thing about payed shells, is running bots like eggdrops, and running things like BNCs and PSYBNCs, and you can offer to trade BNCs and PSYBNCs for valuable things to. There are markets where you can trade shells, BNCs, and PSYBNCs for pretty much anything else. And lots of good shell providers have OC3 connections now, really fast, they support lots of cool features. But if you don't plan on doing anything like that, then of course set up your own shell. And sudo, are you picking on me or something?
If you want to run an eggdrop, emech, bnc, etc. you'll need a non-stop internet connection!
Don't know about you guys but here, in ROmania, during the day, the internet is 1 US dollar per hour! We simply can't afford to stay non-stop, and even if we could afford, we would get disconnected by the ISP after 10-11 hours, because of the low performance telephone network :(
You don't have to have a permanent connection. My friend runs an eggdrop service for efnet, he regularly takes hit system down and looks through the bot scripts and add stuff that he thinks is cool and then puts the bots back online. You only need/want a permanent connection if you need a bot to protect a channel, because somebody might attempt a takeover.
Sudo i would have replied earlier but just got back on. The reason most ppl want a shell is because like me(i don't care if u flame me but i won't lie) they are new to hacking and all tutorials u read are old and outdated so they say u need a shell account. Unix is not that easy to use or learn to use well enough to be able to hack from it. Most ppl also don't have several hundred $ to spend on books to learn to use unix. Yeah i know everyone here will say search the web for something. Most stuff i can ever find on the net is old so it does little good if any at all. Thats y so many ppl ask about shell accounts.
In reality, we know what most newbies that are asking about shell accounts are looking do. If you are looking to learn anything and if you are serious about learning it, then I highly recommend you go and build your own *nix box. You are admin and you can learn all you like on your own home network.
If you want to learn anything from the people here, then stick around and read a lot, cause there is tons of information old and new that just passes through these forums. Check out the tutorials, there is tons of info there. You really want to start learning things, then I recommend you get to reading RFC's on networking and the like. Further your reading with Security info, like that at http://www.securityfocus.com/ http://xatrix.org. Only then will you be prepped to actually know how to do anything. Learn how to secure a machine and you will be okay. Learn to destroy a machine and you will go to jail.
Any which way, if you are learning security realted stuff, the best thing you could do is build yer own *nix box.
Think about it.
Regards.
Hacking? Hacking what? And what tutorials are you talking about? Shells are not for "hacking," and this site is not a place to be discussing that.Quote:
Originally posted here by JediKnight-Yoda
The reason most ppl want a shell is because like me(i don't care if u flame me but i won't lie) they are new to hacking and all tutorials u read are old and outdated so they say u need a shell account.
Good, that prevents people like you from trying to be Mr. l337 Hax0rQuote:
Unix is not that easy to use or learn to use well enough to be able to hack from it.
Well you obviously haven't put any effort at all into looking for information regarding *nix, or else you wouldn't have made such an ignorant statement. Just about everything you need to know can be found using a search engine, message boards, IRC, Newsgroups, and other online references. Although it doesn't hurt to buy a few books on the subject, they are not required.Quote:
Most ppl also don't have several hundred $ to spend on books to learn to use unix. Yeah i know everyone here will say search the web for something. Most stuff i can ever find on the net is old so it does little good if any at all.
What do you think just because you have a shell account you will automatically know how to use it? Get real kid...Quote:
Thats y so many ppl ask about shell accounts.
--Sudo
i never understood this whole pay for a shell thing when the OS is free....