MSI nVidia GeForce MX a fraud ???

I have the following components in my computer:
- Intel Pentium III Coppermine Processor - 751 MhZ
- SOYO SY-7VBA 133 Motherboard (VIA Apollo Pro 133 AGP/PCI Motherboard)
- 128 Mb of DDram (i think.. i'm not sure about that..)
- MSI nVidia GeForce 2 MX - 32 Megs
- VIA Sound OnBoard
- Windows XP Professional
..and i have the following problem:
When i play a game, with the setting for my computer (medium detail, recommended for these computer hardware setting) it makes about 15 fps, wich is unacceptable! In games like Quake 3 or Counter-Strike i get about 30 frames, on a 800x600 screen resolution, medium detail..!
On 3D Mark 2000 i get about 2000 points, and on 3D Mark 2001 i get about 1000 points... which is again unacceptable...! I tried programs like nVMax.. but the performances i got were even worse..! I have the latest drivers for my GeForce straight from nVidia.com, and for my mainboard and soundcard also..! By the way.. on windows ME/98 on 3D Mark 2000 i've got 1000 points, and on 3D Mark 2001, about 600 points...! On the medium detail tests in 3D Mark 2001 it was doing only 1 fps :( :( :( ! Pleez help me....!

Check out MSI's support:
http://www.msicomputer.com/support/msi_support.asp

Check to see if you can get newer drivers there (than the ones from nVidia, since it's a third party card with a nVidia chipset). That may resolve the problems.

AJ

You do have a problem. On 800x600 res you should have a frame rate of +/- 84
with your card
Do you have the latest nVida detornator drivers
Also remember this is an entry level card and runs at half the bandwith of the nVida tnt cards

Regards
Mike

I've got the latest drivers from nVidia, and none of them raised my fps rate :(

All I can say is you have an MX card their refresh rate is not so hot, I think there is another one TX? In short a hardware problem in spite of 32 megs bump up to 64 and anything but a MX.

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In games like Quake 3 or Counter-Strike I get about 30 frames, on an 800x600 screen resolution, medium detail..!

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I had a similar system before I upgraded and 30 fps sounds about right for your system specs. Get another 128 Megs of ram and a geforce 4MX 64meg or radeon 7500 64meg ddr. That should come in less than 150 dollars and all your games should run fine.

You could overclock it but that would get a little risky

I'm afraid of overcloacking it! If un-overcloacked, it has these performances, then overcloacking it would mean death for sure..

u could just add a fan or 2 or a heatsink and you could probably overclock it 20-30 mhz. But i burned out my old Intel Celeron 333 by overclocking it to 416 without adding fans it burned up in a year. Or you could not take the risk and buy yourself a new card. But if your actually going to overclock it you can search Google

Check your BIOS options, such as your AGP apeture size, just in case.

I use a GF2 GTS 32mb on my 400mhz Pentium II, 128mb ram, computer. (Intel 440BX motherboard or some such weirdness, I plan to build a new rig very soon.)

Anyway, I don't have problems with Quake 3, Half life, etc. One thing to try, I know it's a long shot, is open the dxdiag.exe program (just go START->RUN->"dxdiag"), it helps debug DirectX stuff. Then go to the DISPLAY tab, and make sure "AGP texture acceleration" is ENABLED. If it is greyed out, you may need to test it first. I know it sounds weird, but I once had problems with my old video card even in OpenGL mode due to the fact that the "AGP Texture acceleration" option was off.

There are a few frame rate "patches' still out there from the early days of Xpee, they did help, but the later nVidia drivers delt with the problem..well they seem to have for me..


cheers

Terr... in BIOS, my AGP apeture size is set to 4X .. i don't know if that's good or bad..! All i know is that, once i've had some problems when i've set it to 64x.. when i tryed playing any game it gave my a bluescreen...! I don't know much about the BIOS so I try not to play with it..! Avden.. i've got the drivers from www.msicomputer.com , but all they did was uninstalling my old nVidia drivers.. i don't think i've got the right ones... :( ! I'll try again today..!
Anyway.. a friend of mine has the same computer settings, except he has a Inno 3D Nvidia GeForce 2 MX, with the latest nVidia drivers, and he gets three times the performances i get.. I mean... what is with this MSI GeForce 2 MX anyway... shouldn't it get the same performances, or what?? His video card isn't even overcloacked or manually setted..! All he does is install windows, install the drivers, run the game, and it works super.. ! :(

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Originally posted here by lordbone2001
..and i have the following problem:
When i play a game, with the setting for my computer (medium detail, recommended for these computer hardware setting) it makes about 15 fps, wich is unacceptable!

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That's unacceptable... even on my old Cyrix M-II box (300 Mhz) with Viper 550 video card (16MB), and 128 MB PC100 RAM, I have about 72 fps. You should check all your hardware settings, software things (drivers, directX,...) and search the net, perhaps you have to deal with a known bug... good luck.


Are you using the MSI StarForce 816 GeForce2 MX?
maximum3d got 4452 points with 3D Mark 2000 on a comparable system like yours.
and a much higher frame rate for Quake3, take a look at the results:
http://www.maximum3d.com/reviews/msimx3.htm
The MSI card can also be overclocked with the MSI 3D Turbo utility
http://www.maximum3d.com/reviews/msimx6.htm

VictorKaum... yes, that's exactly it.. MSI Starforce 816 GeForce 2 MX..! Look at the performances in these tests... wow..! Now that's how it should normally behave, not like mine behaves ! :( I've searched the net and that's how i got here, to ask some people that know about these known bugs :)

Pleez help... ! :(

Is your card even AGP? if it's not that could be causeing some of your problems. You also may want to check to see if your using software exceleration, while not as much of a problem as it use to be it can still cause slowdowns.

On the box it sayd AGP 4X.. i don't know what to think anymore...!

maybe you have blown it up? with my old p2 300 +tnt m64 32 mb agp i got like 30 frames.are the games the only things that are slow? if all the other programs are also slow and windows is starting up really slow i suggest to format your harddisk.Another solution is maybe to defrag your hard disk by rightclicking on the c: and click on properties.i hope i helped good luck with it if something else crosses my mind i wil post it

hehe... i'm not that n00b..! Only the games are slow... ! I've formatted my hard at least 100 times since i've got this configuration..! I get the same results every time i run a game.. ! I don't know what the problem is... i think it's the drivers, but i can't find any drivers for this type of video card... and google finds me only the nvidia detonator.. what can i do.. except changing my video card ???

return it?

Just a sugestion, but have you tried the detonator drivers from NVIDIA - I know it's not recommended for 3rd party cards, but ...
I have a Geforce2 MX (AGP 4x), which I picked up cheap a couple of years ago from some 3rd party company I'd never heard of. The NVIDIA detonator drivers improved the performance of my card significantly (about 40% faster than the drivers supplied with the card), and have worked fine ever since. The latest version of the detonator drivers work correctly as well.
The only problem I had on my Win98 system was to get the drivers to install correctly.
I resorted to completely removing all copies of the original drivers, booting in safe mode (i.e. VGA), and then running the NVIDIA driver install program which did the trick for me ...
Don't know what the equivalent approach would be in XP, I'm afraid.

just a thought but has the VIA 4 in one drivers thing been installed as that has the AGP interface driver in

you said u had a friend with a similar setup but diffrent card. See if you can use his card.. see if your results change. That would narrow it down to either your card or system.