Hacking bill update

Folks, the closer you look at this, the nastier it gets. I know there are other threads on this but this one is posted as an update, not to spark a debate. Get a security experts take on the ramifications of this bill. I'll post the threads for the debate after I post the link to the story I just read. Jeez...this legislation could literally turn the internet inside out. Imagine a world where script kiddies have a legal umbrella to seek refuge under and your firewall could be in violation of the DMCA. How about a government sponsered DDoS that can get you arrested if you try to block it.

SCARY

View the story: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54153,00.html

View the other threads on this matter:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=232855

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=232818

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=232759

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Hackers said that very few of their skilled colleagues would consider taking pirate-persecuting jobs. "I don't think Hollywood has a hell of a lot of support within the hacking community, so finding real talent might be a bit tough,"

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lets hope so

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Hackers said that very few of their skilled colleagues would consider taking pirate-persecuting jobs.

"I don't think Hollywood has a hell of a lot of support within the hacking community, so finding real talent might be a bit tough," hellNbak, a member of hacker laboratory Nomad Mobile Research Centre said. "That being said, there are always those who will, if the price is right, offer help and training."

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honestly, i doubt it would be hard for them to find hackers given the huge ammounts of money that go through any big-time movie/music/whatever entertainment companys. i dont see many hackers sticking to their principals in the face of a one-time $50,000 contract, and that would be pennies compaired to what they COULD offer.

Very true, the ethics of a real hacker will most likely prevail over this matter. Movies like "Hackers" really upset most hackers because right after this movie hackers were seen by the community as someone who does illegeal things like mess up computers and since then hackers have struggled against this stereotype.

I hope this bill does not get passed. As a person who is against piracy, I must say this little "war" the industry is taking is going way out of hand. The bottom line is, we are in the beginnings of a police state, and it seems the rights we once cherished and loved is now becoming a relic. Let us look at a few things:

Your mailman snoops on you, and if you happen to worship Allah, and reports to gv't you are a possible terrorist.

You talk against the g'vt on why you do not like an idea, and you are viewed as a potential terrorist.

A 13 year old script kiddie defaces a web page and gets life in prison for cyber terrorism activities.

However, there is a terrible double standard here... we get LIFE in prison for infilterating another network without authorization, but the industry and the g'vt can delete files, have admin access to all your (potentially) sensitive data and have free access to them? Yes, they are not allowed to delete any files, but once they have access to delete those files, you still have read access to other data such as credit card numbers, trade secrets, poetry, your pr0n collection, payroll data, passwords, and you guessed it, your ideas.

Now I had a really scary thought that will tie this altogether. Imagine the Homeland Security bill and this bill getting passed. Now since the industry is a service, and upon their romaings on your HDD, if they read anything suspicious, can the FBI come breaking down your door in case they found something "terrorist-like?" That scares the **** outta me.

This whole thing is scaring the **** out of me :(

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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html

The constitution is clear. It's the politicians who are confused.
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Confused or not, their affect is still the same. The FBI/NSA etc. have a panel of judges on stand-by, their sole purpose is to get around this amendment by issuing blanket type search warrants on demand. I’m not saying this is not necessary at this time, only that if the scenario alittlebitnumb portrayed did go down, chances are the FBI would be knocking down your door. I really think we need an independant panel watching this panel.

8ball, i agree with you 110% and also see hellnbak's statement as a request for an offer.

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Security experts also wondered how Hollywood would come up with a battalion of skilled hack attackers. Would the pirate-battling forces be unassuming programmers, now ordered to come up with malicious programs to foil file traders? Or would Hollywood soon be hiring real hackers?

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Who says you even need hackers. Why not just get an army of script kidz pay them minimum wage and have them ddos and scan for open NetBIOS ports all day. My big worry is that they’ll start hacking people out side the U.S witch is totally illegal but would most likely happen due to the fact that neo trace or visual trace route aren’t always 100% accurate. This is the kind of vigilante justice that I think we can live with out in a civilized society.

Interesting, very interesting. The bottom line is; you give a bureaucrat or minor functionary or wannabe-cop of some kind 'power', and that power will be used to it's max. (been thru an airport recently?) Most alpha-type enforcers do not care how the eventual 'case' turns out, because their personal cost is zip (time and attorneys are included in the job) while citizen has the choice of mortgaging their future to hire some lawyer who may or may not be able to get the truth to the minds of the jury or judge... well, you get the point. Personally, i would be apprehensive as all heII if the Whitehouse was occupied by it's recently vacated crew and their neu-world-dictionaries ("The Constitution is a living document, that should be modernized whenever the social condition requires" ...Second Ammendment was primary in that discussion...). Whereas, i'm sure, other folks of equally good intentions would be totally comfortable with someone like William. The thing you have to remember when giving people power is whether you trust them implicitly with that power, and whether they will be succeeded by someone you do not trust. Usually, your gut feeling will be correct if you listen to it carefully. "Reasonable People Can Disagree"

You know the largest problem with the bill is that it gives the companies the right to do this. I don't mind the government enforcing laws, but to hand that power over to a corperate entity? Remember the consitution only protects you from the government, the 4th amendment won't protect you from citizens, so by giving policing authority to citizens or corperate entity the 4th amendment does not apply at least in theory.

That is very frightening.

If they think you have material that is copyrighted, then they (like everyone else) need to go to the police and obtain a search warrent and physically be there. Why does hollywood think that they can just take a shortcut around the justice system? We do have laws and amendments to protect us against things of this nature. Even if this is passed, I will not leave my network open for them. They will just have to come a' knockin at my door like every one else, with the proper search warrents no less!

This really makes me think that the American public at large needs to pay more attention to their civil liberties.If they don't we'll only be seeing more things like this.

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Amendment IV ........ The constitution is clear. It's the politicians who are confused.

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LOL..... If you think the Constitution is anything more than a suggestion, you're living on the wrong planet. 9 of the first 10 Amemdments have been blatently, obviously, and egregiously trampled upon by our government. (The only one that hasn't is #3, quartering of troops in our homes.) The government of 2002 bears no resemblance to the institution described in the Constitution, and hasn't for over 150 years.... since the Civil War. The law is whetever 5 people on the Supreme Court say it is, and they say what they're paid to say.

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bottom line is, we are in the beginnings of a police state, and it seems the rights we once cherished and loved is now becoming a relic.

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We've *been* living in a police state for a very long time, but people looked the other way because it didn't affect them. But everybody is sitting up and taking notice now because it's coming home to roost in THEIR neighborhood instead of somebody else's. That's all that's new.

Talk to any of the thousands of people who have has their money, property, businesses, and livelihood confiscated under the 1984 RICO Act. Like the store owner who had his entire cash register and safe confiscated because a drug dog got a hit on a bill in the register, although a 1989 study estimated that over 70% of the bills in circulation had cocaine residue on them from pervious owners. Or the guy who got reported to the DEA by a ticket agent and had $9000 in cash confiscated and his bank account frozen because he paid cash for a plane ticket to Houston. Or the scout master who was shot in the bathtub and paralyzed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms because one of his boy scouts told his father the scout master had a hand grenade in the house. It was a lead-filled souvenir from Vietnam being used as a paper weight.

Oh yeah.... no charges were ever filed against any of those people. And yes, they are real people. I didn't make them up. And I can give you 100 more just like them if you want.

The government can seize your house, car, boat, bank account, computer, and business on suspicion of a crime or on the tip of an informant, and you do not have to be charged with a crime. They use an ancient legal theory which holds that the property is guilty of the crime instead of the owner, so they "arrest" the property instead of the person. And since the person is never charged, they classify it as a civil proceeding instead of criminal so that you have no right to an attorney and no right to a jury. You have to sue at your own expense and prove your innocence to get your property back.

Little known fact: In 1982, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted to disband the BATF for blatant and outrageous violations of citizenz' Constitutional rights and generally running around shooting people and acting like the Terminator. It didn't come to pass in the full Senate because no other agency would accept the transfer of the discredited agents, and the politicians couldn't find anything to do with their stable of Rambos. Waco, anyone?

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[i] Originally posted Even if this is passed, I will not leave my network open for them. They will just have to come a' knockin at my door like every one else, with the proper search warrents no less! [/B]

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I agree with Cross. I will not change what I do on the internet. I have mp3's on my computer! If I havn't been caught by now why would a law change that. Think about the millions of people in violation of internet law right now. 1 in 32 adults are in jail or on parol. If these laws were well enforced it would be my guess 1 in 20. And I really don't think the goverment is going to let it's computer work force all be sent to jail becouse they run a firewall.

seems to me were all talken allot a talk. what do you all plan to do about it? vote for the "other" party the other one of the two thats not in power at the moment? then we could have a different flavor to it, but the same damme thing is going to happen.

if we just dont vote, all it's going to say is we dont care what happens. the fact is we do.

me, im voting for anybody that isn't democrat or republican, libertarian where i can, but any other party will do in a pinch. At least my vote will say...i want you bastards OUT.

its time we stoped thinking "two party system". .theres only one

anybody got any ideas for action?

Amen Tedob. I agree....this is very very scarry. I don't use kazza anymore, however, i do frequent mirc. I have a firewall and virus scanner on my home pc. Does this mean that I will be targeted cause i have mp3's and other music formats on my comp? I would say 90% of the files on my comp are those that I have cd's for, however I do have others that I have downloaded cause i want to hear the artist before i buy or because I don't like any other of the artists' songs but the one or two. I for one have always voted independent. Thats how i am registered. I will vote for whoever is against this outrage.