Earning Antipoints

1) I don't have anything against the Antipoint System. But I do have something against people who try to assign Negative antipoints just to balance their antipoints.

2) I would want to react to the person who gave me this comment after giving me negative points : stupid people giving you postives for no reason... rebalanceing it

I have never begged people here to give me GREEN POINTS. I have earned my points not from short 5 worded posts. I may seldom post on the boards but a lot here who have stayed long enough in AO know what my merits.... I need not say more

I agree with you Alexzel !

IMHO There are to much of this "balancing thing" with stupid comments and people assigning neg's without even read the full thread.. Some posts may deserve it but I have seen many good posts and threads flamed and neged..

~micael

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Originally posted here by Alexzel
I would want to react to the person who gave me this comment after giving me negative points : stupid people giving you postives for no reason... rebalanceing it

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And we see the effect of double standards here. If you were in fact a newbie, that was crying over NEGS, this thread would be suicidal in seconds. You have how many AP's? and there are many people struggling to get AP's and are faced with your same issue every day, and we must keep our mouth shut so we can remain as AO Members? How is it that you start whinning, and all of a sudden people are throwing you points, and if I do the same. I will be banned within 20 minutes? you shouldn't rub it in our face...

I would have to agree with Louie and FakeBoy. As FakeBoy stated "If a newbie was to whine, everyone would jump at the chance to even out their negs" and here you are whinning about a neg, and people are throwing you AP's. By the looks of it you have plenty more AP's than most of the members, and you really should be neg'd for leading by a bad example. You should be showing the newbies the correct way about dealing with these situations, and this sir is not the right way.

Talk about beating a dead horse. I thought that we were done disussing this a long time ago. Now everyone is stupposed to be complaining about the suicidal threads...although its been a few days. Time for JP to make some more enhancements for everyone to bitch about....

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stupid people giving you postives for no reason... rebalanceing it

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btw, that is not a message about them trying to balance there antipoints. That is a message saying that you recieved antipoints for something you shouldn't have.

I would like to focus on two main points, and hear your opinions on why these two points are being over looked in this thread.

First Point Made By FakeBoy:

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Originally posted here by Fakeboy
If you were in fact a newbie, that was crying over NEGS, this thread would be suicidal in seconds

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Second Point Made By Myself

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Originally posted here by Joey_Batch_File
leading by a bad example. You should be showing the newbies the correct way about dealing with these situations, and this sir is not the right way.

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To all those that have assigned positive points to Alexzel for this post, you are showing everyone you support a AntiOnline Jr. Member acting in the same fashion alot of you would punish a newbie for.

Wow, alex, most people wouldn't post an Ap thread. Though I agree with you, sometimes people agree with my posts and give me APs, and then other feel that I don't deserve them, and I wouldn't mind that too much but a lot of the time it drives my post into the neg section. And once I even got negs in advance to balance me out. I think that people who do that let the whole AP thing go to their heads, after all, if somebody had balanced them out when they got anough APs to give them out, well, I wonder how annoyed they would be. Bravo on posting this alex, very few people can pull off an AP thread.

Im sorry but i hae to Agree with Alex.... she rarely posts... and when she does they are ALWAYS good and ALWAYS deserve Antipoints... she wasnt whining about the neg she got, she was just saying that the reason given wasnt good.....

i really disagree with the balencing of APs as well, i dont care that i get negs, but i dont like giving negs if they dont deserve it.... there should be "neutral APs" just cus the post isnt 100% great doesnt mean int should get Negs...... i mean negs are made for BAD posts that give off a bad rep to AO and ask stupid questions..... and Greens are for people who psot great posts and do great things.

Just cus the post isnt perfect doesnt mean it deserves negs... if anything should be changed about the AP system its the balancing out.

I also agree with Dome. Alex's posts have always been informative and well deserving of positive antipoints. Now she's been a victim of a "drive by AntiPointing"... someone who gives a bad reason (you're lucky you even got a reason... I get plenty with absolutely nothing!) and I think she has the right to say something about it. I'm happy to see someone speaking up about it without b*tching and whining that they've been receiving negatives.

AJ

This is just my HO, but I think it would be really neat. . .and prolly conducive to better conversation and understanding another person's point. . .if we would be allowed an opportunity to place a small (one line) reply when you click on the reply to this assignment link in the AOpoints center. At the very least, I know, I know, it's wrong, but it would give us a little bit of an outlet for the negs that we think are irrelevant.

bludgeon,

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This is just my HO, but I think it would be really neat. . .and prolly conducive to better conversation and understanding another person's point. . .if we would be allowed an opportunity to place a small (one line) reply when you click on the reply to this assignment link in the AOpoints center. At the very least, I know, I know, it's wrong, but it would give us a little bit of an outlet for the negs that we think are irrelevant.

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I am sorry Alexzel, I did send you a neg ( To anyone else in this thread, I did Sign it. ) But I do stand on my belief that this type of post by a newbie would be up in flames by now.

As stated by Fakeboy:

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And we see the effect of double standards here. If you were in fact a newbie, that was crying over NEGS, this thread would be suicidal in seconds.

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Another supporting opinion by Louie:

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Honestly Alexzel, all of us get Negative antipoints all the time. Do you really have to waste the forum space with another whining post.

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A very good point by Joey_Batch_File:

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you really should be neg'd for leading by a bad example. You should be showing the newbies the correct way about dealing with these situations

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And the list continues, I see the general feeling here is that this post is a bad influence on the newbies. Your statis is very good on this board and you should be setting examples.

Thats my $.02 for what it is worth...

Give me a minute to play both sides of the field here.

I do agree that if a newbie had made this post he/she would be negged to suicidal in seconds. Therefore proving that indeed a double standard does exsist, although unfair, it is life, life is rarely fair. It is a valid and true point though.

I also agree that some people post very well and get deserving AP's for those posts. The balancing act with AP's is something we knew would happen when the ratio came to be. Also unfair but again life.

I believe that AP thread's are getting to be a bit tiresome, we all have our opinions, they've all been expressed before and we aren't getting anywhere. I see both sides of the field and what does that do for me? Absolutely nothing.

Sorry, rant over.

All these complaints about Antipoints...
Either people are getting +ap for things they shouldn't, or they are getting -ap for stuff they shouldn't, or are getting +ap for posts, and then people are cancelling it out by giving them -ap....

Its kinda what they are about... If someone agrees with what you say or how you say it, they can give you +ap... if they disagree, they can give you -ap... most complaints about getting points, whether +/- are rubbish... There have only been a few real cases of AP Abuse...
Fact is, there would probably be less complaints if AP were used more... because people would get used to getting/losing points more frequently, and they would learn not to complain because, while you may lose 5 today, you post something good and you can get 10 tommorow.

And if your gonna complain about getting negative points.. think about poor little ol' me... I've previously asked for them (literally)... and I got positives from all but one person...

I don't really care about the points.

I only post if I have something usefull to say, and I don't care if people think what I have to say is good or bad. It's my opinion, and I have the right to speak it. I DO NOT however flame people, or use harsh language. If I make a mistake, I'll reply and apologise.

I really couldn't care about the antipoint system. If someone posts a dumb question like "How do I hack my friends Hotmail account?" Then yes, I'll give it negative antipoints, but unless someone really touches me with a heart-felt post, or has a uniquely amazing post, I won't even bother giving it positive antipoints.

I only use the antipoints to close dumb pointless threads that will just be a waste of space. If I think someone posted a meaningful thread, I'll tell them. Telling someone that they posted something useful/meaningful is more sincere than giving them a better antipoint total. Doing that just fuels this "drive by antipoint" endevor.

Sorry if I pissed anyone off, but I this is how I feel about the topic of antipoints.

Not that i care about AP's but how do i find out if my AP's are unbalance? Will I get banned if it ain't balance?

Dome, Alexzel>i agree with you on that 100%
Just cus the post isnt perfect doesnt mean it deserves negs... if anything should be changed about the AP system its the balancing out.
/me I think if a Thread isn't perfect enough , then it shouldn't deserve negs

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well here's where i stand:

i have on several ocasions given greenies to posts that were negitive for obviously wrong reasons, and i dont see why there is anything wrong with doing the same to posts with positive AP's.

the way i look at it is this: if you see your average, everyday post, what does that deserve for an AP value? well, judging by the majority of posts here, it deserves a neutral value. now take that same post and you see it with a negitive value. by giving it greenies you arent necessarily saying "i think this post should get greenies", but more "i dont think this post should have negs". now, the same goes for posts with a large ammount of greenies; if i see one that i find rather un-remarkable and definatly un-deserving of whatever ammount it has, i dont see why i shouldnt give it negs in order to get it closer to the value I think it should have.

i see assigning AP's as more of moving it twards the AP level that YOU think it should have, weather that is positive, negitave, or neutral. its more of a relitave thing than an objective "this should get greenies/this should get negs" thing; you must take into account the current level when making assignments.

well, thats how i look at it anyway

Well, I certainly understand the concern, here - by everyone.

However, As I have learned, this isn't an objective or fair system, and I don't think it is supposed to be. In my case - check my negs - I made the mistake of participating in political threads and then speaking my mind. As a newbie that was a mistake, and I accept that. I'm not preaching here, just letting ya'll know what I've learned. As one person who gave me negs said - "You mistake AO for a democracy." I think that he meant - freedom of speech. If someone doesn't like your Avatar or the way you spell color/colour, then, wel,l the hammer can fall.

I really mean that I lament the fact that I wasted my exposure on political threads. As a newbie that means if my technical contributions are somewhat questionable - meaning not worded quite correcrtly - I'm going t get negs just for instructive purposes. And I accept that. I was REALLY upset about the system until I thought about it for a week, Then, I figured out that maybe it really does work. Yes, if i were to whine - as a newbie - yeah - I would expect to be banned - considerng I'm very close to that now. :-)

This is a good thread because it demonstrates to me that once you earn some positives and "graduate" to higher levels, then you get some slack. I think that is OK, too.

ok one more thing that i got to say...... the reason most newbies would be flamed for complaining about antipoints is because most newbies post stupid **** and dont deserve antipoints, i would NEVER flame a newbie who actualy posted decent posts and deserved the antipoints he/she got.

I just dont agree with the way the system is at the moment, just because the post isnt "long enough" or with enough "usefull information" does NOT mean its NEGATIVE, and same goes for posative just because the person is your friend he/she SHOULDNT get greens for everything that they post. Again, im saying i think if he wants to keep the whole "balence is key" deal then he should make a "neutral" point that will help you balance your mete instead of having to give negs to people who dont deserve them.

I mean negative antipoints are made to seperate the helpfull people from the lamers right?? Well if we "balance" everyone out we will all be on the same level and it will be like we are back on page 1.
I dont agree with most of you and i am going to back my opinion 100%.

And i got a Negative Antipoint from someone who did sign it today and i agreed with the way they did it, they didnt agree with me so they gave me a neg, thats 100% fine, but when i get a negative antipoiont saying "you have too much green, just evening it out" I really dont agree with that, especialy when its not signed.

Again, this is an opinion, and everyone is entitlded to one.

I don't think the balancing-thing as we know it is a problem anymore. Watching your "User tends to assign" bars I doubt any of you gets the bitching-message on the main page. If you get ap's with comments where word "balancing" exists it's most likely just because "stupid people giving you postives/negatives for no reason... rebalanceing it ".

*off to click the little "report" button to get this damn thread closed*

Can I make one unjudged comment to all the AO users complaining about AP's. I have been a member for almost a year now, and have not once been able to assign an anti point. You could think that maybe I'm not a respectable contributor to thae AO community and yes, I have had my up & down posts, but it is mostly because I speak my mind. Just think about that.. Being on AO almost one year, 260 some posts, and two tutorials, and yet to raise above 50 AP's. Really gives you something to think about...

I have been watching this thread close now....I have an idea that might agree with everyones thoughts on APs....

Use the AP as a comment ( a personal one )

this is how I use this system, if I want to comment personally to a poster in a thread I use the award antipoint option if they are IMO pos then I comment on their post and give a green, if I don't agree I give them a comment and a red....

Here is the important part SIGN IT!!!

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Originally posted here by aeallison
Here is the important part SIGN IT!!!

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Read the thread "What runs AO" by FakeBoy....

Signing your antipoints is an abuse of the system. Period. If you don't know that, I suggest you re-read some FAQs. This is another AP-thread. That's a waste of my time. Period. Thread closed.