Teen-proof cigarette machines in the works

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The machine works only when customers prove they are old enough by swiping a credit card and a valid identification with a magnetic strip. A virtual sales clerk on the machine's video screen tells kids they're too young.

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http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/06/cig....ap/index.html


Do you think this will have any effect on underaged smokers buying cigarettes? I know a few pool halls in my state have vending machines in the 21 + sections, but you still see the young ones sneaking in for a pack. Plus, if all you need to do is swipe your card, whose to say its YOUR card????

heh.. i dont think that will work.. at MOST liquor stores near my place we can buy cigarettes underage.. i know some 14 year olds that go in and buy alcohol and they never get carded... its all about the money you know? lol and for sure, how hard would it be to borrow your parents credit card or something..

You know, I personally don't smoke, but I have friends who do. Growing up, kids here never really bought their own cigarettes, they would just get them from other people who were old enough to buy them, or send either an older friend or older sibling to pick up a pack for them. It's just like alcohol... many high school and freshman college parties are stocked full of alcohol, but everyone knows it's pretty difficult for underage kids to buy their own.

I think that the government can do whatever they want to try to cut down on underage smoking, but if someone really wants to start, there's no real way of stopping them. At least, that's how I feel about it.

AJ

Er, if i was gagging for fag, or if i was younger than legal age,
i would borrow my mate's proof like creditcard.

if people wanna smoke, then its their decision i guess.

i mean, in UK, a pak of fags costs 4pounds (sterling) to prevent people to smoke, but they are not quite success yet.
i think its a human nature, if other people say no, u wanna say yes./

My thing is that, you can't really stop the underage from smoking by using that method. You need to cut down in some way the amount of people that smoke first by maybe increasing the price of cigarettes or reducing the accessibility of it. Then maybe with less buyers, they might just be able to cut down underage people from getting access to cigarettes.

Just my thought on the situation at hand...

Guidance...

Uhm... It won't help deter teen smokers, but it probably will let the company sell cigarettes via vending machines, because they can claim that they have 'adequate safeguards'. Personally I think the tobacco companies will soon only sell cigarettes through a subscription method, and will force users to upgrade to Tobacco SP1 within the next few months... Heh.

If people wanna buy cigarettes they're gonna do it no matter what the security systems say. You can't just cut smoking from people its not gonna work. Rising prices will just annoy the people who are old enough to smoke and do. The is no way that the card idea will work. As Joey_Batch_File and Khrist said it doesn't have to be your card in the first place. If they want to kill themselves let them. Its not big or clever

All I want to know is when are we going to see beer vending machines?

wow...i've never even seen cigarette machinese before... (do they exist in ontario?).

but as the rest have said... if the teens really want the cigarettes they'll find a way to get it... why don't they just make a law to prevent teens from smoking? after all there are drinking laws.

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Originally posted here by cwk9
All I want to know is when are we going to see beer vending machines?

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Hehehe, funny you should say that !! In my favoured nightclub here, they have a beer vending machine - serving most big brand beers. It's a God send when there's a queue for the bar !! :D

Ciggarettes not only come out of machines. I knew people when I was 16 who just stole the cigaretts from a rack just next to the kassa out of the super market. No problem. And when the supermarket was closed they'd smoke banana's (some part of the shell)...believe it or not.

Why don't they just send the helicopter gunships in over
the tobacco farms and rake the farmer with automatic weapons fire?

If they outlaw tobacco, people could just switch to reefer. It's
probably healthier anyway.
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LOL....good post rcgreen. I'm right next door to you in Ky, where 'reefer' is probably our #1 cash crop anyway....be nice to see all those tax dollars (pardon the pun) 'rolling' in. BTW...those helicopter gunships (I'm sure you already know this) are 'BlackHawks', and they are considering making them the state bird here in Ky. :)

This is my ninth day without a smoke. I hope I'm over the worst of it. F@#king nicotine. The bastard drug straight from the fiery depths of hell! :mad:


Don't smoke kiddies. It's a filthy habit, it's expensive, it kills you and most importantly, you're making some fat CEO of a tobacco company rich off your misery! Not to mention, there's heaps of better drugs out there! ;)

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Originally posted here by hellbringer87
why don't they just make a law to prevent teens from smoking? after all there are drinking laws.

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Here they have made laws against under 18 smoking. It doesn't matter kids can get smokes, booze and drugs regardless of the laws to prevent it.

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Originally posted here by Conf1rm3d_K1ll
This is my ninth day without a smoke. I hope I'm over the worst of it. F@#king nicotine. The bastard drug straight from the fiery depths of hell! :mad:

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Congrats :) I'm never guna smoke, I'm allergic to 'em anyhow (that's a good thing...)

/me mutters something about Conf1rm3d_K1ll being weak...

you know it's not that hard to encode a(ny) card on the correct track with a # (such as 18)... or to re-encode your own licence...

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Originally posted by Conf1rm3d_K1ll
This is my ninth day without a smoke. I hope I'm over the worst of it. F@#king nicotine. The bastard drug straight from the fiery depths of hell! :mad:

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I've been an ex-smoker for over a month now (phew!)
18 years solid smoking, mostly 20+ per day. :(

the 1st week I wore nicotine patch's (replacement therapy) and the second week I got sick of the residue from the patch's (they left glue all over me) so I went cold turkey. A month later and I haven't had a single ciggie, you can quit 2.. just take it 1 day at a time.
Nicotine leaves the body after 48hours, it's not the nicotine thats the killer, it's the habit of smoking that the hard thing to break.

Good Luck!

:D

jcdux
A happy ex-smoker

i have been smoking since I was 2 years old.

wouldn't you be dead by now, stewy? i mean sure, some people can live with lung cancer.. and all of it.. but my (dead) grandpa smoked from the age of 20 and, at the end of his life, had more medical problems than anyone i've EVER heard of.. (dialasis.. mouth cancer.. he had no spit glands.. asthma.. (sp?)..). of course, some people have no health problems.

my view on ciggies for kiddies is that, yes, if they really, really want to start, they'll find a way to. eventually it seems like people will stop smoking and move on to all of the other drugs, though..

hmmmm...the best deterrant to smoking is education.
show kids what it does to your heart, your complection, your lungs. id a kid can get a bag of weed a pack of smokes cant be all that hard now can it???

lung cancer is a pretty good deterant i think.

Right with aphextwin on that...:

Check out http://www.thetruth.com/html/index.cfm?id=22

Just a few facts from thetruth.com:

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One in five
Their product causes nearly 1 out of 5 deaths in this country. Can you name any other industry that gets away with that?
- Nearly 1 in 5 deaths caused by tobacco: American Cancer Society
Add it up
Products made by the tobacco industry kill more than 1,200 people a day. That’s over 400,000 per year (in the U.S. alone).
- Kills 1200 per day; 50 per hour: American Cancer Society
Death
Tobacco is responsible for 30% of all deaths among persons 35 to 69-years-old.
- Growing up tobacco free page VII
Death
Tobacco is the largest preventable cause of death in the U.S.
- CDC: MMWR Vol. 46 No. 20, pp 444, 5/23/97.

Add it up again
The product they sell kills more people than AIDS, murder, suicide, fires, alcohol and all illegal drugs COMBINED.
- Kills more than…combined: Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, CDC, May 23, 1997

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Ammo

knowing the fact's don't neccessarily prevent teens from smoking, i have a friend who smokes.. he knows the risks and...everything... he even admits that it tastes disgusting yet he keeps on going at it.. everyday... it's strange....

The only way to stop under aged kids from smoking in my mind is to make smoking illegal altogether

I'm not saying tobacco products are not harmful (quite the opposite!) but I would like the just point out that the statistics are pretty malleable given that smoking is a contributing cause to death, rather than something much more clear cut like a single event. As such, both sides of the issue can lay claim to vastly differing statistics.

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Originally posted here by Matty_Cross
/me mutters something about Conf1rm3d_K1ll being weak...

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I think you're right, Matty. I went to a party on Friday night and succumb to the evil is that is nicotine. I smoked two of the bastrds...Oh well.... :rolleyes:

kayorin more like £4.46 for twenty >_<;
and the vast majority of that is tax - shop's make max 9p per pack profit
not only is the high price suppoused to discourage smoking but the tax from cigs is to help pay for the health care ,many smokers need later on from the NHS

v_Ln