OMG! ! !
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If I ever (and I dont EVER plan on it) commit suicide. . . I will not. . . . I repeat. . . WILL NOT go out like this! ! !
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html
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OMG! ! !
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If I ever (and I dont EVER plan on it) commit suicide. . . I will not. . . . I repeat. . . WILL NOT go out like this! ! !
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html
liek that is so like totally gross puh-lease like why would u like totally post that un hip thread ugh
/me flips her platinum blonde hair
haha thats kind gross rogue but still kinda strange
Gross? Thats not gross, she felt she had to die and she did.... Her choice =)
Still, that's not the way to go. It had to hurt like hell. I mean, I could see myself being more likely to be depressed about life and popping some pills over psyching myself up to jump in water full of crocodiles......I don't know, maybe that's just me.
I guess it has to be better than drowning...maybe, OMG!, she might have drown first...:shocked:
I think I would rather do the OD thing, I have to agree with GG on this one. :eek7:
I read somewhere that females tend to think about suicide more than males do, but males have a better success rate when they try.
Blech. Maybe she had some drugs in her system?
I was arested for suicide once, this reminds me of the time I spent in the hospital.
I think it's sad. Can you imagine how her friends & family must have felt after hearing that she not only killed herself, but did so by jumping into a pool of vicious crocodiles? :(
suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Suicide might be a permanent solution but it also causes other problems. It leaves behind those that actually give a damn (we think) to deal with the after effects, unwanted attention, and the hushed questions that're spoken whenever a family member is seen. It's not something I've had experience in, and hopefully won't ever gain said experience. On the flip side, sometimes suicide could be deemed as a giving up and/or the inability to deal with real life situations.
Even so, besides the detrimental effects upon family members, what could make a person's life so horrible that they would choose to go out like that? Even if I were highly intoxicated and wanted to end my life, I couldn't step over the fence knowing that I was going to be chewed up and it would be painful. I wouldn't want to jump out of an airplane without a parachute to feel the smack as I hit the ground, or inject myself with a flesh eating virus that would kill me over time.
This is so horrible... *frowns*
I feel horribly for the family, but more so for her. There must be so much we don't know that would cause a person to end their life in that manner, such a horrible death, yet all we know is of a husband. Maybe it was a mental thing, or cultural. Like in Japan with hari kari, an honorable death. But, I've never heard of such a thing like this. So painful until the end. Not even a person who doesn't want to live their life should go out like that.
Ugh. I don't know.
Well, She didnt cry or scream so you know that
1) She was pumped full of drugs or
2) She had some serous problems
Just to let you people know! (And you know who u are! ! !) I didn't say suicide was FUNNY damnit. My best friend killed himself. I was just posting an article I thought you people would find interesting.
::sighs::
hmmmmm me I'd go for a jump of a tall building on a very windy day with a waist-coat made outta TNT.........let that off just after you jump......they'll be finding pieces of you miles away >_<;
heh lets just hope everyone bellow has an umbrella....
v_Ln
The worst part about a person's suicide is not the actual suicide but the people left behind. They are overcome with grief, and often guilt. When someone close to you commits suicide, you wonder if there was something else you could have done, some sign you missed.
Often the person commits suicide without thinking it through and the family and friends likely couldn't have done anything. But it doesn't change the devastation it leaves behind.
Once you are dead, you're dead. It is the people whom are left behind that take over the suffering.
Making suicide is a big sin! But it is the ultimate solution to refuse responsiblities. Person commit suicide, are actually coward!
Life is to enjoy, remember that u've past away the problems on earth but you cannot refuse to face GOD's ponishment.
reminders from concern Christian People
Negative, move this thread to the Cosmos forum.
I was going to say the same as acidspectrum, she must have been full of drugs...
I once made an essay (or something) about suicide at school in Philosophy of life lessons. Unfortunately I have no idea about where it might be now. :( I remember adding some web links, one was an about 50 pages long "tutorial" about committing suicide, guess it was made out of some alt.suicide messages. It was like "jump from a bridge, not a skyscraper, because you can fall on someone and kill them too".
Btw, GG, I don't think you would feel the smack after falling from a plane...
I think drowning would be the worst way to die...
This is by far the worst thing I have had to go through...Quote:
I think it's sad. Can you imagine how her friends & family must have felt after hearing that she not only killed herself, but did so by jumping into a pool of vicious crocodiles?
I agree totally on this quote.Quote:
suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Again, like Gurl said. this is a lot of the tragedy, imagine if you were a person who was mad at the suicide victim...Quote:
Suicide might be a permanent solution but it also causes other problems. It leaves behind those that actually give a damn
GG, geesh...must have been watching some movie, flesh eating virus? I shudder to think of that...Quote:
Even if I were highly intoxicated and wanted to end my life, I couldn't step over the fence knowing that I was going to be chewed up and it would be painful. I wouldn't want to jump out of an airplane without a parachute to feel the smack as I hit the ground, or inject myself with a flesh eating virus that would kill me over time.
Hard to scream and cry when your lungs are filled with water...:shocked:Quote:
Well, She didnt cry or scream so you know that
1) She was pumped full of drugs or
2) She had some serous problems
I lost a relative first then a dear friend, one with a 44, and one took a swan dive...Quote:
I didn't say suicide was FUNNY damnit. My best friend killed himself.
A little extreme I think that would tend to take others out to...Quote:
I'd go for a jump of a tall building on a very windy day with a waist-coat made outta TNT
That depends....we run on energy, energy cannot be destroyed, but can change form, energy has mass therefore it has weight, if you want to look it up you will find that at the exact moment of death a corpse loses weight proportional to the energy that that body would contain....Quote:
Once you are dead, you're dead.
Again, depends on how you look at life...Quote:
suicide is a big sin!
I hear that it takes several minutes do die after a drowning, you know you are dead before you die, and have plenty of time to "see it" --chills--Quote:
I think drowning would be the worst way to die...
I again say that drowning would be the worse...
Deeeep!!!
I still dont understand the mindset. I mean, I have been through some pretty shitty times in my life, but I have never reached a level that made me think that the only way out was to end it. To be so desperate... so depressed, that you need to end it all? And, by throwing yourself into a croc pen? I dont know... Where was this woman's family/ friends? There had to be signs of depression. She could have gotten help IF she wanted it. Zoloft/ Prozak are wonderful drugs for depression(yes, that is taken from experience) maybe if she sought out help....
Who knows
Of course you would feel the smack after falling from the plane. There have been people that have survived thousand of feet falls from airplane collisions and parachute mishappenings. (Even filled full of drugs, there would be sensation, unless you were unconcious)
It's not like on television when you're in a commercial airliner and somehow they get the door open. A.) It's not possible at that altitude and pressure B.) You would literally freeze dry if you could and your body would shatter from the speed.
Suicide is not funny. My uncle shot himself in the head when I was a little girl. And the reaction of his son, my cousin, was to try and do the same, because he didn't understand why his father left him and he thought it was okay to do so also.
My comment was based around the question, that if you're trying to end your life, why inflict more pain, when the object of suicide is to obviously end it? My only conclusion to why there was no screaming was that it was either muffled so quiet any spectators couldn't hear, or her neck was snapped, something sudden after the plunge.
Off the topic: Interestingly enough, I read an article a while back on drowning. While it is painful, one of the most painful deaths besides burning, the most painful part is your lungs filling up with water, but once you've reached equillibrium, granted you're still alive, it's supposed to be the most peaceful feeling ever. Now, how someone found that out, I have no idea. I doubt anyone who had their lungs filled up with that much water survived to tell the tale. *shrugs*
I would also like to reply that antidepressants don't work for everyone. Some people don't feel the need to seek out help, they feel as if they can handle problems on their own. Such is the case in anorexia, where the patient feels they're taking matters into their own hands to lose weight. It's rare that they actually are the first to admit their problem. It's usually up to a bystander or family member to get them help. She was probably showing signs of her depression, but the severity of showing those signs had to depend on her personallity when she wasn't depressed. If she was a quiet, reserved, secretive person on her own before the depression, it may have been hard to see any signs.
Prozac and such drugs are not given out to just solve the problem, there is a lot of cognitive behavoral therapy to replace the bad habits/thoughts that the patient has. It sounds as if, in her mind, she was doing what was best. Even though, in the end it turned out to be an awful tragedy.
A few days ago, there was this big fuss in India: a man died, and they burnt his body according to the ancient rites. No big deal, but there was someone else with him on the pyre: his wife. And no, she wasn't dead. She decided to follow her husband to "eternity". Indian police forces tried to stop the ritual, but were held back by the masses. A horrible death, indeed. But what amazed me most about that story is that the woman wasn't tied or anything. She was just laying there, undergoing horrible pains. She chose that over a life without her beloved one...
Her own choice... And she must have been determined, otherwise she couldn't have gone through that horrible pain. And her family? They were all very proud of her...
And anyone remember Jan Palach?
The Japanese Kamikaze-pilots?
The WTC-suicides?
Just saying that not only depressed people commit suicide... and that generally, if they choose such a horrible way to commit suicide as jumping in a crocodile pit, they must be very determined... be it a personal feeling, or the only way to make a statement, or a cultural thing, or because they've been brainwashed...
People committing suicide cowards? Allow me to disagree with that statement...
And about the drowning... I know people who get a kick out of holding their breath a little too long... supposed to make you feel, indeed, peaceful...
Damn negative, that post was deep as ****..... :) I agree
I agree too! :) The WTC suicide's were very sad.. The victims were even worse, they didnt choose to die.
Wow. Deep philosophical(?sp) thoughts on the boards today.
Negative is the king of phylosiphy :)!! w00t for Negative!!!
Negative makes a good point, as usual.
But, I think that there are a couple different classes of suicide being presented here.
Their is the "I hold to my beliefs and will die, even by my own hand, to uphold those beliefs" type.
And the,"life is **** and I don't want to go on" kind of suicide.
One is confronting the fear of death to preserve some kind of ideology.
The other is running in fear of life.
I'd say that there is a cowardly act here, but that there is also an incredibly courageous act as well.
No one would call a soldier that lept on a grenade to save his buddies a coward, but then no one would call the person that ate a bottle of pills because life got shitty courageous.
But, then there are possibly other ways to look at this.
No matter how miserable life gets, there will always be the possibility of something better, unless you end it and then all posibilities in this world end...
But, I babble, which is not unusual for me.
For me, I will live until I die, no longer and no shorter, (how's that for a tautology...)
dhej
Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
To suicide, is getting away from responsibility,problems,weakness,
To suicide, is to stop the beauty of God's gift,
To suicide, is to face God's punishment.
Better not to do it!!!
Kahad loki ang kalayo sa impierno!!
Just thought I'd throw in my random quote for today... ;)Quote:
Type O Negative, Requiem for a souless man
I built myself a nice little cage with bars of anger and a lock of rage
I can't help asking who's got the key? when I know damned well it's me
No I ain't hinting for sympathy I'm used to dealing with apathy
The scars on my wrists may seem like a crime just wish me better luck next time
So what if I died a thousand deaths you think I'm insane but I have no regrets
One more time won't matter no question suicide is self expression.
WARNING - DO NOT READ THIS MESSAGE it you are easily grossed out or are squeamish in any way, shape or form. I repeat, DO NOT read this if you are squeamish or have any sort of problems with bodily fluids/functions/whatver. I've even hidden this post to help guard against people not unintentionally reading it.Quote:
Originally posted here by GreekGoddess
Still, that's not the way to go. It had to hurt like hell. I mean, I could see myself being more likely to be depressed about life and popping some pills over psyching myself up to jump in water full of crocodiles......I don't know, maybe that's just me.
You have been warned...
Well, all ways are "a bad way to go" if you ask me... coming as an EMT (yes, I've held a certification for about ten years now) and someone "in" to the whole idea of alternative and "backcountry" medicine, they all seem to have some pretty heavy cons (as if death isn't "bad" enough, long and/or painful death is, in my opinion, worse).
In "popping pills" for example, well, if you don't get it right (and sometimes even if you "do"), you might end up going out from septic shock rather than the original intention. That is, picture trying to "do yourself in," only you don't get it right... instead you end up with a few days of severe nausea and vomiting (if you're even conscious) to the point of stomach acid and blood. If you're "lucky," perhaps you'll end up in a coma, slowly dying from drowning all of your bodily organs in the biologic equivalent of a sewer.
Basically you kill your liver to the point that it's unable to remove any of the pollutants from your blood - so it instead they build up until the point of toxicity... of course, this doesn't happen overnight - and I've been told that it's not exactly "painless." Literally, you're probably better off finding your local sewage treatment plant, jumping the gate, then tying a couple cinder blocks to your ankles before you jump in... a lot less painful and a whole lot faster.
Sup Rouge!!! ....(long time no see) yup yup thats a bad way to go. It kinda reminds me of a "faces of death" video I once saw..This guy was on the water trying to knab a Fl.
swamp gator and well his rope got tangled and then ...well the gator said "BELCH"
This is realy weird..
today (or yesterday) I don't know all the details yet.
A friend of mine commited suicide..
He had been locked up in a mental hospital for a while for a previous attempt.
He used a plastic bag over his head as his way to go..
This is a real shock to me.. specialy since I had been reading this thread just this morning...
I read somewhere once (but I can't remember where) about how Western culture/ideology/religion has improved those of other countries/peoples. And in the case about India, that it was (but apparantly still is according to the news posted by Negative) the tradition that when the husband dies, the wife (even if she's still alive) would join the husband in the burning/cremation. Why?? It said that once the husband dies, the wife is worthless since no other men would marry her.Quote:
A few days ago, there was this big fuss in India: a man died, and they burnt his body according to the ancient rites. No big deal, but there was someone else with him on the pyre: his wife. And no, she wasn't dead. She decided to follow her husband to "eternity". Indian police forces tried to stop the ritual, but were held back by the masses. A horrible death, indeed. But what amazed me most about that story is that the woman wasn't tied or anything. She was just laying there, undergoing horrible pains. She chose that over a life without her beloved one...
Her own choice... And she must have been determined, otherwise she couldn't have gone through that horrible pain. And her family? They were all very proud of her...
This part I'm not so clear, either the British or the missionaries? whichever, when they saw this practice were shocked, hmm, obviously! and they put an end to the practice.
I remember when I read about that I was surprised to learn of that old tradition of India but I'm even more surprised that it still happens nowadays.
I always say that people who commit suicide are stupid. I don't agree with the use of the word coward/courage. But definately I agree with the word "determined"...Determined to commit an act of stupidity. Nobody forces a person into commiting suicide, they chose to do it. I agree life is precious. One thing for sure is that we live ONCE! which is NOW! (You can believe in reincarnation but you don't know for certain it exists, same goes for Heaven & Hell, it's just a belief, a good one too since it makes you choose to do good in your life)
i have dealt with suicide indirectly many times. a few coments i'd like to make:
ginsu knives are curved slightly at the end. yes, they can cut anything but they do not go in straight. this saved the life of a friend of mine as it ended up just missing his heart.
drowning, suffocation in general, is supposed to be very euphoric, which is why many people do such. in fact, plummeting from a building or plane would result in the same, as the wind rushing past your fave would suffocate you, or so i'm told.
the japanese kamakazis (sp?), suicide bombers, martyrs and others that die for a cause are only doing what they are told is right. through doing this, they feel they are able to reach the unattainable. to the vikings, it was valhalla (a warriors heaven); to the kamakazis, it was for country; for the suicide bombers it was for allah. there is an interesting interview in the latest harpers magazine in which two suicide bombers did not go through with their mission and got caught. the thing that both ended up saying was that when they got to their destination, they saw the faces of the people they were supposed to kill and decided that what they were doing was horrible. killing is wrong, no matter how you look at it.
suicide can destroy people. the ones that are left behind are left with a feeling of abandonment, with questions arrising "how could they love me when they left me?" andthus is an issue from then on in that persons life; in many aspects, family, friends, relationships...