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CNN recently obtained over 150 hours of Al-Quaeda tape.... Everythign from Chemical Testing on dogs to Urban Jihad Training... But did anyone know that CNN paid a 5 figure some to Al-Queda for the footage?
What does everyone think of this.... Are they helping Al-Quaeda to plan another September 11, or are they helping the world by revealing Al-Qaeda tactics?
now thats a damn interesting question if ive ever heard one!!!
tough one
Hmm.. that’s interesting and intermediating.
Although that I am not good in politics issues, but I am sure, its something to do with business? How?
Its simple; getting those tapes, will increase the station's popularity amongst other news-competitors.
That’s my guess.
i think it is a popularity struggle between news networks having those tapes would increase there viewers but i also think it is REALLY wrong to give money to the al-queda its just helping to fund there terrorist organisation
Yeah but how much of the tapes have they even shown the public?Well i don't really wanna see chemical testing on dogs maybe ants though never liked them...
Figures that they would do something stupid like that. Its the media. . . what can I say. Just look at what they did on Sept. 11. While the Pres. & VP. were trying to hide. . . the media was telling where they thought they were. How dumb is that?
edit: Higher TalshiarWhat? Thats not the point dude. The point is that they paid <-------(Supporting Terrorist) for the videos. Thats F**** wrong.Quote:
Yeah but how much of the tapes have they even shown the public?
I would say that it helps the terrorists. It's been demonstrated time and time again. That's why the Department of Defense has acknowledged lying to the media. They get ahold of anything they can and broadcast it without so much as a thought about national security.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have it in for them or anything. Like any other business they make money based on their ratings. I just wish that they didn't sensationalize so much.
Heh, guess the Al-Quaeda movement can't be THAT anti-capitalist... :-)
Hmmm... I wonder if other TV stations or newspapers will pick up on this little purchase and publicize it??? What do you guys think will happen... :confused:
That's an interesting question. If you've ever been overseas you'll notice that CNN reports some events but ignores others. I guess in the end its ratings.
it seems to me the US government has the most to gain from the showing of these tapes. People see them and get all pumped up again. Look at what theres monsters want to do to us, look what they did to those dogs. this raises anti-terrorist feelings. makes me wonder about those tapes
Come on. Analyze that question. Is CNN supporting terrorism? Of course not. Be more realistic. Troops or information gathering departments probably found the videos and sold to them the parts that do not jeopardize any national security.
Part that puzzles me is if they hate americans so much why are they making business transactions with us?
Wow a very nice topic!!!
the question is, How they able to have a communication with Al-Queda, is there something behind CNN?
As we all knew that CNN is one of the leading News Network.
But for me Both of them are making Business.......
each of them are making personal interest.......
----for CNN, maybe for popularity purposes...
----for Al-Queda, it is exactly for making funds and rebuilding the organization....
oh, ac1d! after singing your praises, I feel terrible now to come out in such strong opposition to what you jsut said. I'm a big CNN fanatic and you couldn't be further form the truth.
The fact is, all tape on tv news was paid for, one way or another. CNN could not just call up AlQaida and go "hey, got any terrorism training tapes?"... in the first place, this information was made public by defectors whoare now on our side to begin with, and who gave the tape to our armed forces. As wrong as I think we are in what we're doing in Afghanistan, the best move the army could have made was selling these tapes off, and you know the news organizations bit when tempted with over 1500 hours of training video from public enemy #1.
I ask all of you to consider: Do you think CNN (and CBS, also being accused) is an evil ENOUGH corporate entity to put ratings before the war on terror? Not in this or any other lifetime. These tapes are not enough reason to betray the american people. This myth, it seems, first popped up thanks to Fox News and NBC. Do we smell conspiracy?
Also, drug money is not used to support terror unless your dealer gets his from Sudan or Afghanistan. Another popular myth started by opposition.
Please, everybody, read into this more before we get pissed at CNN. I might very well be completely wrong... but if you wanna be mad, be mad at terrorists. But don't be mad a tthe people trying to give you a better understanding of them.
Damn.... What would you have done? Would you have just continued to let Osama Bin Laden train those terrorist Armys. I can see it now..... "Excuse me Pres. Punchthebaby, we have a problem, it seems as though there is a militant group training people to kill American Civilians in Afghanistan, oh by the way today they killed over 6000 Americans." What in hell would you have us do.Quote:
Originally posted here by punchthebaby
As wrong as I think we are in what we're doing in Afghanistan,
Now I agree that the operations over their were poorly put together, and the bombs should not have been dropped so hastily and unaccuratly, but WTF Punch.... My question again, What would you have done if you were pres?
Okay, punchthebaby, I want full rvenge against them. Im sure as hell not letting Bin Laden and His group stay alive. He is the reason I have no father or grandfather and I want to see him die. I would DEFINITELY do what we're doing in afganistan and possibly, alot more. Sorry, thats just how I feel. --Jason Copeland
i'm sprised that cnn would do something to support the terrorist, i'd like to see a little more solid evidence before attaking them, however if they did they have commited a crime against the US and humanity as severe as those they funded by funding them.
I most definately understand that there is a lot of emotion involved in this.
I myself lost nearly 3000 members of my humble species on 9/11, something I do not take lightly.
Please let me go on.
There are people half a world away responsible for the killing of about 3000 americans one day. Once we found out who it was, we did what a child does when smacked in the sandbox: we smacked back. Not a surgical strike. Not a precision taking-out of high level officials. We riddled an entire country with smart bombs for no other reason than to extract revenge. Revenge is not good policy. What "they" (as if we can define "they") did to us was terrible, wrong, and mindbending, and it tore me up inside as an american citizen, but what we did in return was no less devious an act simply because it came after theirs did. We are supposed to be a nation based on Liberty and Justice, and our attacks in afghanistan were nothing but childishly planned out acts of vengeance and bloodlust. We've taken foreign policy to a new level: Now, not only are you not allowed to be plotting against us, you're not allowed to hate us (Iraq, Cuba), you're not allowed to think different than us (Sudan) and you are sure as HELL not allowed ot have any secrets (everybody.)
America's heritage is one of diversity and understanding. An act of war was commited on us, but not by the nation of afghanistan.. it was commited by people living within this country. We've set up a new democratic government, we've killed nearly twice as many afghan soldiers as they killed american citizens, and we are now currently detaining more people at Guantanimo Bay than I can remember. These detainees are held without access to lawyers or even basis of guilt.
As a country, the mood has swung up and down, and very few people seem to realize the hypocracy in giving up everyhting we stand for just to get them back. What I also find shocking is that people claiming to be true red-blooded americans suddenly lash at my throat for questioning the policies of my government. Remember 1776? That was one hell of a revolution, and it didn't stop there. We're meant to think about what's going on, not just mindlessly accept current policy in the name of lady liberty.
That is not the American way.
And, to add further insult to the countless people whose lives have been swept under the rug by the "war on terror," Osama Bin Laden still walks free.
Hmmm, a 5 figure sum!? jeez, that's a lot of money! I can't believe that CNN would give that much money to get footage of what Al-Quada does. It's such a shame.
They showed 150 hours of gruesome killings of stray dogs by Al Qaida and they said how cruel it was but they didn't mention the killings of innocent children in Afghanistan, Palestine, Africa and the rest of the world. We get emotional when we see animal die but what about human beings?
Well as for the other TV stations, they didn't publicize this issue. It was only CNN that did. Since they allegedly paid a huge sum to Al Qaida, they showed the gruesome stuff exclusively for 150 hours. Just imagine how much needy people benefited if they would have donated that amount to some charitable organization?
And one more thing, I doubt that the video clips were made by Al Qaida because everything Al Qaida had, was completely destroyed so how can some fragile video cassettes be left in tact.
hmmmmm without readin everything b/t the first post and here id have to say that its prety pointless, theres no way that censorship in the states will alow them to show half of it on TV. hell here in the UK weve got biographys on the air channels about porn stars, but i doubt that wed allow it here either.
thats my 2 cents
I think if they were gana pay that much for the video's that they sould of also bought some weed and supported them some more.
So, we have several pages of replies and people are guessing about a lot of things. One of the more important ones is that we don't know who CNN bought the videos from. Yes, I do think it is quite possible that CNN bought them from the Al Qaida, it is a business worried about money and image. That may sound a little cynical but it is true. But how much does a five figure amount help them compared to the number of people who have seen what they do just for testing. And, these people are already extremely rich. It would be like me going and giving $1,000.00 to Bill Gates.
And for those people who say this is CNN they would not have done that. I simply have to say, Why not and look at MIRC - things get around even when they are not suppose to. Yes, I think supporting them is wrong, no I don't think anything will happen about it, and yes I think that a lot more people became more aware and that anger was stirred again.
Just a couple of thoughts I had about this.
The reason for ousting the previous regime and implementing a new democratic government is simple. The regime that was in power, or dictatorship, supported terrorism. They harbored and funded them. They basically said go ahead and do the heinous things you do and we will allow you to hide, neigh, cover for you when someone comes looking for you.Quote:
America's heritage is one of diversity and understanding. An act of war was commited on us, but not by the nation of afghanistan.. it was commited by people living within this country. We've set up a new democratic government, we've killed nearly twice as many afghan soldiers as they killed american citizens, and we are now currently detaining more people at Guantanimo Bay than I can remember. These detainees are held without access to lawyers or even basis of guilt.
Just because the actual Taliban weren't the one's to fly the planes into the buildings, doesn't mean they weren't involved. At least indirectly. The soldiers that were killed were from the Taliban. The body of government that was harboring the Al-Quaida. They were protecting us from finding what we wanted, and in essence just as involved in the war as we were.
I don't know how much you know about the Genieva Convention, but those PRISONERS OF WAR are being treated in accordance with the rules and articles governing their imprisonment. As a matter of fact, being an active duty Marine, I can assure you that their treatment is far better than just about any other country in the world would treat them. Having participated in several joint operations with multiple countries, I can tell you that we are more humane in these types of situations that anyone else out there. Take for example the ROK Marines or Thai Marines. Not to mention the way you would be treated if you were captured in the Middle East. If you were in their shoes and came across an American fighting man, there would be instant death. Look at the soldiers that were captured and beaten to death and dragged through the streets. Do you think that would happen to anyone the US captured? No way in hell.
I appreciate and respect the desire to question the things our government does. Please remember and take into account the bloodshed of hundreds and thousands of brave men and women who gave you that abilty to question our government. Don't be as quick to question it when we want everyone to have the same ability as us. And for God's sake, don't act like we are the world's tyrant's when someone comes to our Land and threatens our very way of life. If the Al-Quaida, Taliban, Irag, or any terrorist organization in the world had their way, every single American would be dead and demoracy wouldn't exist. There would be no one to enforce the rights of humans. There would be noone to fight for the lives of the people being slaughtered for no apparent reason. People have to pay the ultimate price for the rights of others. For you're right to sit here and question the way our government is run, I have volunteered to give my life. I will live up to that should the time arise. Please don't make that sacrifice for naught.
punchthebaby - this is NOT meant as a flame, but you asked the following question in your first post:
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Originally posted here by punchthebaby
I ask all of you to consider: Do you think CNN (and CBS, also being accused) is an evil ENOUGH corporate entity to put ratings before the war on terror? Not in this or any other lifetime. These tapes are not enough reason to betray the american people.
now my answer to you is this. YES I do think they put ratings before national security or the war on terrorism. You are talking about the VERY same organization that got our marines killed in a beach landing in Somalia because they DEMANDED to be there. They were broadcasting live a COVERT operation, and someone in Somalia was smart enough to have the TV tuned to CNN and see it all happening live. They then came and shot up our military because of it. This was all in the name of ratings.
CNN has been accused MANY times of releasing sensitive information when they should have known better. Saddam followed CNN for the duration of the Gulf War because their intelligence was better than his own. Admittedly it didn't help him much, but the fact stands. This is the very reason the State Department has been feeding misinformation to them and other news organizations. They seem to ignore the need for national security in their dogged search for the almighty rating.
El Diablo
First, to my friend the Marine: I salute you, and am glad to know that there are people in our armed forces who are not simply in it for killing. I don't agree with most military action (I am a buddhist and a pacifist, two things I also hold in high esteem) but when times like these roll around, I'm glad you're on the collective side of our nation's freedom.
A reply:
It seems to me that going into a country and pushing them around, telling them who can and who can't be their leader is exactly what you just described. American foreign policy of late seems bent on nothing more than total world domination. As disgusting as Saddam Hussein is, as well as what he does to his people, what we do by saying "regime change" and "supporting revolution" is muddling in the paints of the fine picture of the world. What makes this such a wonderous world is diversity, and not just firendly "you don't look like me" diversity: For every person in Afghanistan who we liberate by bringing them democracy, there is at least half a person who feels rather violated because the government he liked and supported is now gone. But that's no problem, because a soldier will just shoot him and say he was a member of the Taliban army.Quote:
Don't be as quick to question it when we want everyone to have the same ability as us. And for God's sake, don't act like we are the world's tyrant's when someone comes to our Land and threatens our very way of life.
You can NOT say that this has never happened.
And to El Diablo:
You're very, very right. CNN has done some rather idiotic things before. Somalia is (to a journalist such as myself) one of the dark days in reportin history. What really irks me about the situation was that very little coverage was given to it: TV news networks watch each other's backs when the public is in an outrage. No respected news channel ever reports on "what they're reporting".. they more or less just deny the existence of these other channels altogether (and of course we can expect CNN to come right out an admit to it, eh?)
The point I was trying to make with the whole "evil ENOUGH" thing was that these tapes are now a part of the public domain. CNN purchases footage just like every other network, and happenend to be the first to jump on the boat when these tapes popped up. There is a large deal of controversey over the content, as well, because A) (as stated above) it doesn't seem like there would just be a bnch of tapes surviving a practical TNT holocaust, B) The contents of the tapes seem more designed to shock people than to teach (which was reportedly why the tapes were created, right? unless CNN is doing some of their world famous "creative editing"), and C) Wouldn't tapes like this, containing your entire methodology of Jihad, be one of the most precious assets a terrost had? Wouldn't they want to keep TRACK of them?
I will also give you credit for the entire "gov't feeding them misinformation" bit.. so I'll give you this to chew on, maybe: Perhaps these tapes were discovered LONG ago, and american intelligence sold them to CNN to ge them to shut the hell up, AND to give them a bad name.
You really just never can tell. The money spent, in Afghanistan, is a fortune. No person there would get that much for ANYTHING, as it is equivalent to giving an american citizen several million dollars for 150 hours of tape. That's not the kind of money any intelligent human being would just give out., especially not knowing that the money may well be used to blow up his / her hometown. These are different circumstances, where CNN is not being stubborn, they simply bought these tapes form someone (who is probably not an Al Qaida mamber as they've *cough*Daniel Pearl*cough* not been too fond of them).
I guess that's it.
Maybe CNN is just looking for better ratings, we all know the media is a dog-eat-dog industry. But the fact remains that money was paid for these tapes and in the end that money will be used to sponsor a terrorist movement in some fashion and whether we want to admit it or not, American money was used to make this a distinct possibility. It's sad to say and maybe wrong for it to be said but that's how I see it.
I am currently in the US Army and over in Bagram Afghanistan. CNN has really pissed me off this time. I am here to cut down on their networks in which they get money and these ppl are paying them for tapes. That money will be misappropriated some how.
I also feel that it was a poor decision to make a febel attempt to reclaim the upperhand in ever competitive news market.
I am sure we will learn something from the tapes but was it really worth it?