For The Conspiracy Theorist.

I'm just curious on everyones opinion about the medias attention to the majority of child abductions. According the the news, the rate has not raised dramitically, but the media has been hot on the topic, and their answer to this problem is implanting GPS chips or devices in/on all children. What is your opinion on the whole matter? Has the government coached the media to cover these abductions so they can push the implants and/or GPS devices in or on children? or do you think the medai has noticed the child abduction rate has stayed high enough, and it is time this is changed?

I am not for implants.... but I am for slow painfull deaths for child abductors.

i often wonder like that myself, but i really don't think thats the case, although it may be. things dont meed guidence to go in the wrong direction, that seems to be the natural order of things. Only if we want the world to turn out to be a good place to be, should we pat attention to these things.

A generation growing up with tracking chips, thinking nothing of it, its always been that way for them. nobody would ever try to exploit something like that = 0. If something is exploitable, someone will exploit it. this is the ultimate in exploitability.

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Originally posted here by Joey_Batch_File
Has the government coached the media to cover these abductions so they can push the implants and/or GPS devices in or on children? or do you think the medai has noticed the child abduction rate has stayed high enough, and it is time this is changed?

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Personally, I always wonder when the press gets focused on something "too close to home" that something else big and nasty isn't going on elsewhere in the world -- just notice how far down in the headlines all of the President's activities are and his/our stance on the very controversial ideas to invade Iraq. Kind of THHGTTG (The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) theory of politics, I guess... or, I guess more recently, "Wag the Dog."

But, yes... I'm against the GPS devices - personally, I'm not inclined to believe that they're really needed (ie. they have the technology and placing a microscopic piece of material under your skin is just an excuse for them to be "allowed" to let you know that they can already track your every move).

How's that for conspiracy theory?

You have gotta be kiddin...They said lets put implants on all children?! That's insane! That would give the child no freedom! I mean, imagine the child's teenage years! Walking around with a beeper attached to his or her's wrist and when the parents check their GPS it says she's with her boyfriend at the movies and they might not like this boy so they tell her to come home! That would be stupid as hell. That's what I think...

Well, I've always said children should be kept on a leash, but that's going a bit far. :D

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Originally posted here by yesicu812
You have gotta be kiddin...They said lets put implants on all children?! That's insane! That would give the child no freedom! I mean, imagine the child's teenage years! Walking around with a beeper attached to his or her's wrist and when the parents check their GPS it says she's with her boyfriend at the movies and they might not like this boy so they tell her to come home! That would be stupid as hell. That's what I think...

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You should check with your local cell phone provider... let's just say that this kind of "snooping" and decreased levels of "privacy" for those who own wireless devices is, well... privacy on these devices is (should be) kind of "an illusion" - pretty soon (very, very soon) it'll disappear entirely. You're expectation of privacy is going to have to fall to nothing, soon (and I think that's actually what they're trying to manage at this point).

I've heard reports that they're "trying to not make it abuseable" - yeah, right... I don't think it's possible.

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Originally posted here by yesicu812
You have gotta be kiddin...They said lets put implants on all children?! That's insane!

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They are selling GPS watches that are locked onto childrens wrist for $400 + $30/Month Tracking, and now they are looking to add GPS capabilities to the Veri-Chips they are implanting. I'm not a conspiracy theorist myself, but now they are suggesting you implant GPS in your children so they are safe. I know alot of adults would be hesitant to put them on theirselves, but there is alot of gulible ones that will do it to their children, and I know that some of your parents including mine would be that stupid, and just imagine how their children would feel knowing they are stuck with them when they reach our age..... I don't like the idea one bit, and I would never put my children in that situation. I know technology too well to do that.

I mean...Jeez! Watches for kids to see where they are?! That's absurd! And that thing about privacy, yeah just the other day I was signing up for webster.com's word of the day (it sends you a word not commonly used everyday and a definition.), and it said on the license agreement basicly this, first it said "Your privacy is guarrenteed!" blah blah blah...Then..I scrolled down because I was bored and it said the exact opposite! "We will take your personal info and sell it to anyone willing to pay for it!". It screamed that out. It didn't LITERALLY say that but, if you could understand english, it said that. I started laughing because of how stupid that was. I use to just click next ignoring anything that said THIS IS SPYWARE! ENJOY THE POPUPS TOO! so I could get on with it. Now I check it anyway even if I am gonna keep it anyway. Btw...I still did subscribe for word of the day, cause I don't care if they give away my private info cause everything but the email was fake lol.

Ooops not license agreement lol, terms of service. Sorry bout that!

It's a very interesting point you bring out, you just never really know whether there is something else behind anything you hear these days. Who can you trust?

I am totally against these GPS chip implants. I hope we never live in a world where everyone can find out anyones location, cos I'm afraid that it really is inevitable - it will happen, there's really no stopping it.

If that is the way they are looking at to stop child kidnappers, I really think they should approach it with another angle, cos that will certainly not be the main use for GPS. Companies will be bringing out all these new uses for it and it'll all get out of hand - people will have no privacy.

Firstly, they should introduce harsher penalties for these types of crimes before they look at any other action to take.

Greg

I think a better solution to the problem would be to castrate the sickos without anesthesia and then let them sit in a solitary confinement cell under complete sensory deprivation for the rest of their lives,so they have nothing to do but think about what they did and how they wouldn't be in that situation if they hadn't done it.It may sound a little extreme,but I bet it would nearly eliminate those types of crimes.

Just kill the people who do this crap, as for the GPS etc. No way in hell should they do that to children soon that would mean everyone has a GPS device in them and that would mean that institutions would have too much knowledge of our where abouts. Yes, that could cut down a lot of problems. You would know who was where during a crime etc. but the rights of too many innocent people would be infringed upon.

There are many problems in the world and taking some away to help solve other ones, just makes new ones.

Hey Joey, they might not be too far from that. Anyone have any information on the Veri-Chip. I remember seeing that on Tech Tv not too long ago. One idiot family already volunteered to get themselves implanted. To me, that's really scary. I'm not sure if they got the implant or not. Can anyone back me up on this one?

We should just as other people said, kill the people that abduct or molest or whatever, children. Because I mean, in jail, are they gonna have some spiritual experience and then become a good person and go to charities giving large amounts of money? No. Once they get out, they will have 1. A bigger *******. 2. A sore *******. 3. And an urge to abduct another child. It's like the same thing for serial killers. I mean, it's not like they are a credit to society or anything. I bet their parent's disown them, so why? Why let them out? Cause it's inhumane to kill them? Bullshit. You kill them it will, A: Be a warning to all those other bastard's that do the same crap. B: Get rid of one of them. It's really pointless.

GPS implants are introduced as optional "for your own safety". The media starts covering all the crimes that have been prevented because of GPS implants. Years go by as GPSs are hyped more and more, until one day you have to request that they NOT put the chip in your child's neck at birth. Eventually this will become law. During this time new "features" are added to the GPS chip, such as medical information....for your own safety. Then contact information. The misc personal info, including family members and their addresses. Then it will contain everything about you. Then the latest feature will be unveiled... Why carry a wallet or a purse when you can pay with your chip? One day all paper money is destroyed and you must have your chip in order to make purchases.
Convenience store clerk: "I can't seem to read the barcode on the back of your neck sir, could you please move your hair aside? Hmmm....what does that number read?"
666

If anyone else has noticed, with all this havoc that has been going on. More and more conspiracy theorist are alos getting attention. I feel that this should be considered an illness more than a theory. Have you ever noticed how frigity and paranoid these individuals are. I think these individuals have more of a fear of technology than anything else. The US Government has more than enough information about everyone already. Why would they have to implant us with devices, and hide this, and track us this way. I have nothing against these individuals nor their way of life, I just have this deep feeling in is more of a fear of technology and an illness.

You never know who gets access to where you are when you got
one of these chips. I can think of too many abuses for them by
people who shouldn't get access that I'm all against putting chips
on everybody.

This could be an aid for criminals, would be blackmailers and as-
sassins in the future. Think about it.

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Originally posted here by X=-FakeBoy-=X
If anyone else has noticed, with all this havoc that has been going on. More and more conspiracy theorist are alos getting attention. I feel that this should be considered an illness more than a theory. Have you ever noticed how frigity and paranoid these individuals are. I think these individuals have more of a fear of technology than anything else. The US Government has more than enough information about everyone already. Why would they have to implant us with devices, and hide this, and track us this way. I have nothing against these individuals nor their way of life, I just have this deep feeling in is more of a fear of technology and an illness.

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I think you are more focused on the stereo-type (CT). As far as illness goes, I don't know if I would consider it an illness. I don't believe it is a healthy mentality, and could lead to serious mental issues and problems as time goes by. If an individual becomes obsessed with the mind state that everyone is out to get him, it may lead to changes in his lifestyle, serious depression, irratic behaviors, and soon that individual could be a threat to society. Maybe even a walking time bomb, but I don't believe every (CT) is that way. I think it has become more of a hobby, and left at that. I guess if you are scared of conspiracy, and paranoid someone is after you. That is unhealthy, but if someone uses educated research to question a cover up, and is pressed to find out the truth. I don't think that is as serious. I guess that is just my opinion of the fact. I'm sure someone in the community may be able to clear it up more...

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Originally posted here by carbonlifeform
This could be an aid for criminals, would be blackmailers and assassins in the future. Think about it.

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Now, that is a scary thought. Someone pays a hitman to take you out, and gives them your GPS information.

The media is always focusing on somthing to get the public scared... like last summer's "summer of the shark" where every shark attack that happened was blasted all over the news for months, yet in reality, the shark attack rate went down to its lowest in almost 5 years. this is the same thing, kids get abducted all the time, the media doesnt give a crap untill its a rich or famous person, then its big news, this year they got such high ratings from the van damme girl, then elizabeth smart, then they caught **** for not reporting any of the hundreds of thousands of abductions that happen every day, so they started a trend. As for what we should do about it, the GPS tags would work, were it not for the fact that statistically, most kids who are abducted and killed are dead within the first 24 hours and it takes twice that to get a warrant for anyhting else, musch less something as contraversial as this. Am I wrong?

If the implant was smal and subdermal, and more importantly, SCRABELED for any one other than un-authorised user's, say, the paretn's in conjunction with a governing body like the police could unlock it and pin-point the individual.....but people are way to paranoid (weather there is something to it or not is another question), it will never bew implemented..

- Noia

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Originally posted here by Noia
it will never bew implemented..

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Unless, the MPAA can use it to monitor and make sure you paid for any film you watched. In that case it would be passed in a bill, and everyone would be implanted.

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Originally posted here by Noia
If the implant was smal and subdermal, and more importantly, SCRABELED for any one other than un-authorised user's, say, the paretn's in conjunction with a governing body like the police could unlock it and pin-point the individual.....but people are way to paranoid (weather there is something to it or not is another question), it will never bew implemented..

- Noia

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Yes, and DVDs are encrypted to prevent copying/pirating... and 640k's all you'll ever need.

(and it's already being done)

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Originally posted here by yesicu812
Btw...I still did subscribe for word of the day, cause I don't care if they give away my private info cause everything but the email was fake lol.

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If it was all fake, how'd you receive the email? Through someone else's account? ;-)

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Originally posted here by draziw
If it was all fake, how'd you receive the email?

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Originally posted here by yesicu812
everything but the email was fake lol.

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...... Just thought I'd help you guys clear this up......

The amount of media attention has certainly made it an environment for offenders and abductors to get public notice. Prevention is always better than giving into fears, and certainly better than using implants to trace a victim--which says that abduction is inevitable. Fear should not be the precedence in tracking individuals in free nations like the United States. Prevention has to be increased by teaching children their vulnerabilities. It's a bit polly-anish but it would be better than giving into schemes or invasive detection methods. I'd like to see more positive and encouraging news, than to return to the fury that results from a terrorist guised as an abductor. Terrorists are treated more severely than child abductors. Why? Any kidnapper should be treated as an international terrorist. They should be hunted down, and made examples in the policies of our national leaders, just as consistently as seeking terrorists who use bombs. Terror to a family is not just a victim's problem, it affects our society! If there were efforts to promote legislation that subjects abductors to penalties given international terrorists, I'd support it!

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their answer to this problem is implanting GPS chips or devices in/on all children. What is your opinion on the whole matter?

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I don't think that implanting chips and other devices will help anything. I know **** happens some times, but people just need to watch their kids a little better. The number of kidnapings wouldn't much of an effect on the media. If it be 10 or 1,000 kidnapings a year, they'd report it just cause it's news. Even if chips and other components were an option, I wouldn't ever allow them to be placed on my kid.

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Originally posted here by Remote_Access_
The number of kidnapings wouldn't much of an effect on the media. If it be 10 or 1,000 kidnapings a year, they'd report it just cause it's news.

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That is true, but we did not have an extremely high increase in kid-napings this year compared to years previous, and now it has been a hot topic in the media usually ending on the subject of a new way of protecting your children via GPS. They have mentioned watches, pagers, cellphones, Rings, Jewelry, and even pondered the fact of adding a GPS function to the veri-chip. So wht bring it as far as implanting the chip, when the watch would do fine.

I know your thinking.. If you knew there was a possibility the child was wearing a GPS, you would strip them of all items and ditch the items, but the watch is locked onto the wrist, and alerts authorities if tampered with. Don't you think that is enough protection. I wouldn't want some sicko cutting out a chunk of my childs flesh to avoid being tracked. You know the chip would be implanted in the arm, and some sick would cut the skin in that area to try to remove the chip. I wouldn't even risk that being a possibility. You have to think like the enemy. If you were to do something like this "GOD FORBID" how far would you go to cover your tracks and reduce the chance of being caught?

I personally think "implanting" a device in a child is not only wrong its abusive. If you want too use a GPS device why not put the device in a sneaker? A wristwatch would be too obvious and any abductor would just cut it off.

As for the abductors themselves I think prison is the too lenient. How about we hang them by the testicles until they fall off?Or maybe nail their pecker to an old stump and pour gasoline on it and hand them a rusty saw blade so they have a choice .... cut it off or burn baby burn!!

ok I'm gone