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I've seen many hacker anti-pedo groups, and i want to know, is it wrong to hack and takedown a pedo site. I mean they can't run to the FBI, since what they were doing was already illegal. Even if they did, isn't it doing a favor to society? Would you, if you could hack, hack into child porn sites and take them down?
Good question....I personally would consider it my moral responsibility as a father.
Yes, it is wrong to hack a child pornography site, The correct way to go about it would be to report the URL to the FBI's internet fraud and abuse sector.
The person who made the site could easily take it down and F*** their hard drive up enough that there is no evidence of anything. How long would it take them to get the warrant and stuff, the process could take weeks or months. How many reports do you think they get a day anyways? I'd just as soon get it off the net ASAP.Quote:
Originally posted here by Joey_Batch_File
Yes, it is wrong to hack a child pornography site, The correct way about it would be to report the URL to the FBI's internet fraud and abuse sector.
Backing up here...let the emotions rule on the first post...I have to agree with Joey...do it the legal way...
You asked if hacking a child porn site was wrong, and I answered you with the right way to go about reporting this matter. No matter what you say to justify the feelings you have about this issues is not going to change wether it is right or wrong, and they do not have to prove the subject matter of their website when providing the log files of your attempt to crack their pages.Quote:
Originally posted here by S0lid Snake
The person who made the site could easily take it down and F*** their hard drive up enough that there is no evidence of anything. How long would it take them to get the warrant and stuff, the process could take weeks or months. How many reports do you think they get a day anyways? I'd just as soon get it off the net ASAP.
I say go the third option, snoop out who their internet provider is, or their host, and report it to them, and watch the site get unplugged over night.
I agree with Joey, it is wrong to hack Child Porn sites, you could report to the FBI, and not get in trouble, or you could hack their site, and you get in trouble, I'm sorry but it's true.
See you hack their site, you get in trouble, it stays on the net. Child porn is wrong, yes, but if you report it to the FBI, it's gets taken down, you don't get in **** for hacking a site.Quote:
they do not have to prove the subject matter of their website when providing the log files of your attempt to crack their pages.
I would justify it if they were doing something sick to children but I would much rather see these peaple go to jail or die rather than wrecking their site just to watch them replace it with another site.
I don't normally like to wade into these kinds of discussions because more often than not it turns into a mine field, but I'm with Joey. Frankly, I'm not convinced you'd really be accomplishing much by hacking them, anyway. It's kind of like playing whack-a-mole.... you take the site down, and then it's back up in a day or two on a new server and a new IP. The right way to go about it is to hand it over to the feds and let them bust it up.
I'll quietly withdraw from this thread now. :D
COMMON SENSE --- Hacking a web page is wrong, web defacements are wrong. Does the subject matter of the website change the fact that it is wrong. NO! --- COMMON SENSE
LACK OF BRAIN USAGE --- Trying to justify hacking a web page on a security site that is against hacking and web defacements. I would suggest reporting the URL to the web hosting company and to the law enforcement. just keep your nose clean --- LACK OF BRAIN USAGE
MY TWO CENTS --- I'm even more distrubed that you know the location of this web page. I have never accidently stumbled across a child porn site myself, but I would be sure that they probably would have had it well hidden, seeing it is illegal --- MY TWO SENCE
WHAT TO DO --- I would suggest maybe deleting the thread or re-phrasing your questions and statements. I believe the subject matter of this thread is of poor quality, and I would advise you some other members that are not on may feel the same way, and take actions against your opinions in way you may not like, and it would be too late to delete the thread at that time. That is just my opinion. --- WHAT TO DO
I must agree with the majority here. Yes it would be wrong to hack them. Getting them off the internet is a must though. Any legal means used to take these sites ofline is acceptable.
I'm also agreeing with Joey, two wrongs dont make a right.
As a side question:
Once I had reported s site to their web host, as the materials posted on the site was in violation of the Terms of service.
As well I found a javascript exploit that, upon entering their site, was uploaded to your computer and would begin infection. My antivirus caught it befor it could do anything. But a week after me reporting them to the hosting company I noticed the site was still there. Should I have reported them to the isp instead of the web host?
I'm going with it is wrong. Don't get me wrong I am a father, an Uncle heck even a Grand Uncle. One of the main reasons not to mess with this type of site it that you may destory the very things that are needed to put people as this behind bars. There have been a few international busts lately. Why because professional people that know how to investiagate and preserve evadance in a crime do so. Hack the site you may destroy a few months or years worth of work by professionals. Yes be outraged as a soceity we must but a lynch mob mentality never works. Let the pro's handle it think they are not report it and then stick to the report and bug the hell out of them to the point you know something is being done by them.
Is it wrong to kill a murderer? Is it wrong to burn down an arsonists house? Is it wrong to rob a con artist?
If you answered yes, that it is wrong, to all of these - which I hope you did- then you will see why it is just as wrong to hack child porn sites. There is no reason to be a vigilante when the law will do it's job.
Sure sounds great... However, what if the site is hosted and run in a foreign country where the FBI holds no jurisdiction, which is often the case?Quote:
Originally posted here by Joey_Batch_File
Yes, it is wrong to hack a child pornography site, The correct way to go about it would be to report the URL to the FBI's internet fraud and abuse sector.
--Sudo
Sudo > actually they can't hide behind other countries anymore, esp since the creation of the ICC. Probably the only good thing I can see to the ICC, taking out foriegn pedophiles and child pornographers.
yes i agree.. with .. batch.. because when u are hacking.. childQuote:
Originally posted here by Joey_Batch_File
Yes, it is wrong to hack a child pornography site, The correct way to go about it would be to report the URL to the FBI's internet fraud and abuse sector.
pro sites.. u are not going to teach that person a lesson.. or he is
not going to stop his.. doings.. he will again .. upload the site..
or may be implement some good security features.. or make his/her site
stronger... so that way a hacker will be wasting his time..
instead.. report the URL to FBI .. and if the person is caught.. then
that will be the end of that site...
what do u say..??
As one having a pure hatred and disgust for child pornography, I personally would love to see the hackings of such sites, amongst other things for the people that run those things.
Unfortunatly, to do such would sort of run along the parallel lines of vigilantism, and as much as I hate to admit it with this particular subject; Two wrongs don't make a right.
At this point, I do support Joey. Better say CRACK rather than HACK becoz both have different perception.
Hacking/Cracking/ whatever a child pornsite is a waste of time. Even if you do take root access on the box, and you do rm -rf * then what? Any pr0n site (child or otherwise) has backups someplace. Whoo you took it down. So he goes, grabs a new domain, and right back at it again. So all you did was cost the guy $100 to put up a new domain basically.
Using the legal system may take 2 or 3 weeks, maybe even a month. But it would be a lot better to leave the site for a month and have the person arrested for 20 years then it would be to hack the site and have it back 2 days later.
I believe that the criminal penalties for hacking a web site are found in 18 USC § 1030. That portion of the United States Code does not contain an exception for "hacking sites that should be hacked", such as child porn sites. Hacking a child porn web site is a bad idea.
I can't answer whether or not hacking a child porn site in "wrong". It is illegal & may well get you jail time
down with pedos!
call the fbi, long term solutions > short term solutions
My humble opinion is as follows:
I would actually start with getting root and do rm -rf * but i wouldn´t leave it at that! I would find out who owned the site, probably through some social engineering. and then I would make life really miserable for this person!
But hey maybe it is just me having a sick sense of humor! :)
One of the main problems with shutting down this kind of sites it will be great!!!, But the problem reside when the feds looks into theirs logs and see your connection or any connection trying to spuff this site, they will try to pin you down with it as well.
dont forget the feds do not have any friends, the more conviction they get the more promotions they have so dont waste you precious time when you are doing more harm to yourself than good to others.
of course we would like to shut this kind of site down. but by doing this the feds will assumed you are part of it. dont forget the feds only see ip activity and packets over flow.
dont forget " your future depende on what you make out of the present"
renagade :)
Well reangade, and a lot of others, might be right! It all ends up in the fact that these people (the owners of child porn sites) needs to be hurt! They need to be hurt a lot! :D
renagade saith:
"the problem reside when the feds looks into theirs logs and see your connection or any connection trying to spuff this site, they will try to pin you down with it as well. "
True. You could be facing jail time for performing a public service.
If arrested, it would probably cost you mucho $$ to pay an attorney - and you probably would be convicted.
joey sorry bro i have agreed with everthing u have said up untill now the "feds" cant watch all the sick bastards URL`S even if u do report it it will take months of investigation to catch these "beasts" if some 1 PM`ed me and asked to take down a kiddie fiddlers server i would feel hounoured because i really really hate peahdophiles if u dissagree with what im saying plz dont neg me send me a PM and i will explain exactly how i hate beasts "no i didnt get abused" but i really hate ppl how are as sick as to take photos of young boys and girls and put them on the internet for all to see as i said the F.B.I would take months of investigation and all it would take is a couple of white hats to go in to there server and delete all there data "is that really so wrong ?" any whoo i dont fell as if peadphiles shold be freed from prison all they are going to do is do it again and make some poor child suffer for no reason at all exept there sick entertainment plz ppl if u dissagree with what i am saying plz dont neg me im sure all of u feel the same way no 1 likes a "beast" BTW a beast is what we in scotland call a pheadophile
peace out yall i hope u dont take this reply the wrong way in condoning hacking because i dont condone hacking but pheadophile SHOULD be stopped if i offended any 1 im sorry but i really feel strongly about this they NEED to be stopped
I'll leave this to everyone's imaginations and determine for yourselves, it's different for everyone I guess. Is it wrong to hack a child porn site? Legally: yes; Morally, can't see what's wrong with it myself. But that's just my opinion; I could be wrong ;)
I think its really up to the Gov/fbi to really take down these criminals/perverts..If you find a site that has child porn on it then you have to report it to the authorities...
There are some groups out there that do this investigation of people like this..one is EHAP(ethical hackers against paedophile) im pretty sure there still around..Also in a way your helping bring the word HACKER back to being the good guys..the then the press will see "hackers helping out and doing good" even though we have been doing that all along the press still doesn't no the diffrence between Blackhat and Whitehat... Cracker and Hacker..
Messing with a child pornography site isnt going to do anything drastic. Just like soulman said there hust going to find another domain and plop there crap back on the floor...
so do the best and the smartest thing find em' report em' and eventually they be in prision
Eventhough it would be fun and even more fun hunt them down and shut them up..yourself!!!
FATALBREED
It better to report this to FBI coz the'll do something on it and your not going to have any problem.some porno sites have good security maybe try to contact your local goverment or any FBI agent ... Even thought their action or what they did is wrong dont do something that will put you in trouble ....But i really hate those porno site if only i can do something about it i'll try to stop their activiteis in the net ...........