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Anyone noticed the Ad banner when u first bring up the page. Look at the picture it shows with the words "Malicious Hacker." Every time you see a picture of a so called "hacker". . . . . its some guy in his early 20's with long curly of frizzy hair who looks like he is high on caffeine. I hate when people stereotype. What do you guys think of the image we are portrayed as?
I think it sux.
Heh, I agree. Our image is really bad. They always have a drunk looken guy or some fat ass old guy. Not just our image like that but our media image is bad as well. /me sighs
'Our' ? Jroc, Are you trying to imply that you yourslef is a hacker?
You use our a few times in that sentence so I guess you must.... No greens for ub3r h4x0rz
So you are saying you aren't a "hacker" ac1dsp3ctrum? There is also a difference between "Hacker" & "Cracker". You know that . . . . Right?
I know, Hacker == Informative things... Cracker == AOLer who thinks when he gets into IIS 2.0 he is 'l337'.... And no, I dont consider myself a hacker.... I dont know enough about computers to be considered a hacker.... And sinse JRoc has asked me shitloads of things I dont think he is considered one either.... That is just my opinion
I've also heard alot of Hackers being stereo-typed as young adults with brightly dyed hair, tattoos.... etc.
Hey alex, if ya didn't notice, both me and RogueSpy have implemented that. Also, if you notice, I am a white-hat hacker. Scroll to my profile to read the intro about me being a white hat.
But then again... I got a AntiPoint that made a lot of sense
Its right, If he considers himself a hacker he can be one..... But im the president of the US ;)Quote:
He is entitled to be a "hacker" if he so chooses to be one.
Wow, Profile intro... I could have one too saying Im anything... What does intor have to do with it... Its all about mentality, and you dont have that mentality
If we are playing that way: I am the true founder of microsoft. "the real reason all the software is buggy" --- Okay, I may not know much about programming, but your the idots that pay for it... Just Kiddn' --- ALL IN FUN!Quote:
Originally posted here by ac1dsp3ctrum
Its right, If he considers himself a hacker he can be one..... But im the president of the US ;)
Umm.. can you please leave it alone? I was referring to the fact that Rogue said that Hackers have bad images. I imployed the fact that yes, WE do have bad images. Hackers can also mean security enthusiast's and network admins. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 90% of the people here qualify as that.
I totally agree with you... I just dont understand how a person can give themselves titles.... 90% of people are interested in computers but only 2% know how to use them, properly and can be considered 'hackers', those people either worked or do work in a job having to do with IT... Do you?
Alex, in that last post, I am completely in agreement with you. Yes, I have worked in a job with IT. I have also been a network admin. But, in that last post, you were completely right. You are right esp. with the 2% knowing how to use them. lol, Take care.. :)
Back to the subject at hand. . . . . . Are any of you in ur early 20's. . . have brightly colored hair. . . . . high on caffeine. . . or any other substance. And have long frizzy hair? lol. If thats their idea of a hacker. . . whats their idea of a cracker? Somone on Skid row?
Lol, What I'm puzzled at is how this thread came back after commiting suicide. I mean, if you commit suicide, your not coming back. But hey, welcome to AntiOnline, where anything can happen :) . Anyways, s'kiddie's are everyday kid's IMHO because they just use other people's software and call it hacking so in that term's, they wouldn't generally be that "addicted" so to speak to computers. Also, they probably aren't anyways due to the fact that they'd rather take the cheap and lame way out and use other people's programs.
The following is an old article but it still makes sense today.....
USA: EDITORIAL - HACKER VS. CRACKER.
By Bob Woods
December 30 1996
Our readers have their hackles up when hacker is mentioned in our stories. Hackers, they argue, are good people who just want to learn everything about a computer system, while crackers are the ones who are breaking into computer systems illegally.
The problem arises when the public and people who shape society get a hold of terms like "hacker" - a word once viewed as non-threatening turns into one that conjures up visions of altered World Wide Web pages and crashed computer systems.
"Que's Computer and Internet Dictionary, 6th Edition," by Dr. Bryan Pfaffenberger with David Wall, defines a hacker as "A computer enthusiast who enjoys learning everything about a computer system and, through clever programming, pushing the system to its highest possible level of performance." But during the 1980s, "the press redefined the term to include hobbyists who break into secured computer systems," Pfaffenberger wrote.
At one time hackers - the "good" kind - abided by the "hacker ethic," which said "all technical information should, in principle, be freely available to all.
Therefore gaining entry to a system to explore data and increase knowledge is never unethical," according to the Que dictionary.
These ethics applied to the first-generation hacker community, which Que said existed from roughly 1965 to 1982. While some of those people do still exist, many other people who describe themselves as "hackers" are a part of the current generation of people who destroy, alter, or move data in such a way that could cause injury or expense" - actions that are against the hacker ethic, Que's dictionary said. Many of those actions are also against the law.
Today's hacker generation - the ones bent on destruction - are more accurately called "crackers." Que defines such a person as "A computer hobbyist who gets kicks from gaining unauthorized access to computer systems. Cracking is a silly, egotistical game in which the object is to defeat even the most secure computer systems. Although many crackers do little more than leave a "calling card" to prove their victory, some attempt to steal credit card information or destroy data. Whether or not they commit a crime, all crackers injure legitimate computer users by consuming the time of system administrators and making computer resources more difficult to access."
Here's the rub: whenever the media, including Newsbytes, uses the term "hacker," we are hit with complaints about the term's usage. E-mails to us usually say "I'm a hacker, yet I don't destroy anything." In other words, the people who write us and other media outlets are a part of the first generation of hackers. But the media reflects society as much as, if not more than, they change or alter it. Today's culture thinks of hackers as people who destroy or damage computer systems, or ones who "hack into" computers to obtain information normal people cannot access. While it's probably the media's fault it started the trend, there's no going back now - hackers are now the same people as crackers. Besides, if a person outside of the computer biz called someone a cracker, images of Saltines or a crazy person or an investigator in a popular British television series would probably come to mind. For most people on the street, the last thing they would think of is a person they know as a hacker. So, what's to be done about the situation? Not a whole heck of a lot, unfortunately. The damage is done. If more people in the "general public" and the "mainstream media" read this news service and saw this article, some headway might be made. But even if they did, cultural attitudes and thoughts are very difficult to change. For those people in the US - remember New Coke? Or the metric system? If you're outside the US, can you imagine calling football "soccer"?
And to the first generation of hackers - those of us "in the know" in this industry do know about you. When we report on hackers nowadays, we're not talking about you, and we do not mean to insult you. Honest. Newsbytes News Network, Copyright 1996.
COMPUTING/I.T.
NEWSBYTES NEWS NETWORK 23/12/96
Think about that...
Wow.. that is an interesting article. Hey, and to think the media probably never saw it like that anyways and here comes one media editorial that actually understand's it. Sadly, not the whole world see's it like that though.
very true. Actually. . . . I'de say at least 90% of people dont know what a true hacker is. All they know about are the "Crackers"
They associate hackers with people who break into Gibsons and sabotage files ;)
Exactly. They try to make Hackers sound like crackers and script kiddies. Calling a kid who DoS'ed a site a Hacker is what the media has done multiple times. I don't call that hacking, does anyone call it hacking?
no person with a tiny bit of knowlege of any kind about the subject, would call anyone who DOS's a site a hacker.
I'd prefer LAMER for those kind a ppl...
Acid: Good article. I agree with it. Personally, I find the 'hackers are not crackers!' complaint to be more of a knee-jerk reaction when I say it, rather than a real attempt to change the words the other person will use in the future.
Well hackers do, as most people, not like to be stereo typed! And I guess that no one actully exists that looks like the stereo type of a hacker! Therefore I believe it is incorrect!
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=234273
Hacker/Cracker debate.
Oh god, not this again....Hacker thread's are lame...
No hacker would call himself a hacker, because he will alway's put the benchmark above his own abilety, that way, he (or She ;) ) will always want to learn more.....
The whole Idea of Labeling some one with technical Knowledge beyond the Norm a hacker is stupid...
Uch, I'm going to bed...
Early 20's - yesQuote:
Originally posted here by RogueSpy
Back to the subject at hand. . . . . . Are any of you in ur early 20's. . . have brightly colored hair. . . . . high on caffeine. . . or any other substance. And have long frizzy hair? lol. If thats their idea of a hacker. . . whats their idea of a cracker? Somone on Skid row?
Brightly colored hair - used to....blue, green, red, white, etc
High on caffeine - not since I quit workin grave shifts
Long frizzy hair - nope. I keep it nice and shaved.
Tatoos - yup
But then with that description above they hit at least 60% of the people I work with at my current job or at most of the .com's I've worked with. It also sounds kind of like the standard generation x image they were all gushing about back in the 90's.
Well, one thing that nobody seemed to notice was that the banner said MALICIOUS hacker... not just Hacker. Maybe it's a little irrelevent, but I figured that I'd point it out.
There are multiple definitions for the word "hacker", so it's really not possible to clarify whether a certain person is or isn't a hacker. While that person may fit one definition of a hacker, he may not fit another. So by arguing the position we're just sharing opinions back and forth. heh, I think I'm done now.
you mean I'm a ub3r-l337 hac|<0r just cause i got bright hair and tats oOQuote:
I've also heard alot of Hackers being stereo-typed as young adults with brightly dyed hair, tattoos.... etc.
wow!! and all this time i just thought i was a normal computer enthusiast ;)
v_Ln
i personally .. and im not having a go at anyone .. cant understand why people worry or complain so much about how the world stereotypes "hackers" etc. i think you should be in it for the love of computing and interest not in how people percieve you
I beg to differ.Quote:
Originally posted here by c0m4nch3
Well, one thing that nobody seemed to notice was that the banner said MALICIOUS hacker... not just Hacker. Maybe it's a little irrelevent, but I figured that I'd point it out.
That was part of my original post.Quote:
Anyone noticed the Ad banner when u first bring up the page. Look at the picture it shows with the words "Malicious Hacker."
What about the movie hackers that dress up in ninja suits and scale walls to break into a building and steal some info from some big corporations computer.I don't think that image is so bad.(But maybe his fat little buddy that sits in the van as lookout has a bad image)
Alot of peaple are complaining about the ISS banner but the peaple up there look average to me though. I mean it could be worse.... they could have taken a script-kiddie's pretend RAP'er image only instead of it being like 2pac's "THUG"LIFE" they'd put this instead....
Most of the people I've spoken with who call themselves Hackers are little more than ego-*****s who think labeling themselves this way will make them "cooler".
Most of the people I've spoken with who call themselves Hackers are little more than ego-*****s who think labeling themselves this way will make them "cooler".