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HiYa Guys,
I was thinking today about a possible solution to stop maniacs negging innocent people, just because 'they can'.
How about once someone has hit a limit of negging ppl, every neg after that they give ppl, they get negged as well on the same extent.
I'm sure that may deter ppl from negging others, as they get banned after so many negitive AP (Me things it is -200, correct me if i'm wrong).
Tell me wot you think, i hope you like the idea :D .
Thanks,
Erm... sometimes a lot of people deserve negs, and this would only ruin the assignments of that. This is totally making the antipoint system something different, and I don't think this idea should be implemented personally.
I think the only real solution to recieving reds is to keep the quality of your posts up to par. Excellent posts with "quality" in thier nature are rarely negged. If they are negged however they always earn enough green to balance out.
There are problems with people giving undeserved negative antipoints. But there are just as many problems with people giving undeserved positive antipoints. What do we do about them? For every positive that you give after a certain amount, you get an equal number of negative? And what happens with someone like myself or negative. Last time I assigned someone antipoints, I gave them 68 points. If I gave 2 people negative points, would I start receiving negative points everytime I made an assignment? And what about remaining balanced? If I was nolonger able to give negative points, I would be out of balance quickly.
The real problem is that people are spending to much time abusing the system and not enough time working with it. I see a LOT of people with antipoints they don't deserve and a lot of people with less points then they deserve. Everyone just needs to pay attention to what they are doing a little bit better. There are to many "aliances" where a group will all give positve points for useless posts to eachother and negative points to whoever they don't like.
Although I am definitely not a fan of negging just because you don't like a person, I think that the APs will balance out in the end for the most part. I agree with antihaxor about keeping your posts up to par. This will help keep the exceptions from hurting your postive point count too adversely. As for the cliques getting together and giving each other positives undeservingly and "ganging up" on those they don't like, that is really immature. I would hope that we have all reached a maturity level where this becomes at the very most an exception (there are bad apples in every bunch). I am sure that if that was noticed and reported to the appropriate party, it would be dealt with in a swift manner.
ok...If I wanted to shoot you in the foot because you deserved it, should I shoot my self as well? NO!
The idea about the Ap system is to allow people to be rewarded for good work, and to give people a bit of a slap when they'v done something that was a bit stupid and/or intentionaly wrrong.
If I were to give you anti-point's it would have to be for a good reason, people who abuse this should face the consequenses, but in doing so, we inhibit the system in working properly, and inocent could get burned for no reason....The only thing I have to say about the AP System is....Maby some one should monitor the MSG's.....well, not all, coz I'm sick of Neg's with no Msg...and I gueass alot of people are, but untill then, We just have to live with it.
Over all, the AP system is Really good the way it is now.
- Noia
PS:Sorry if I'm a bit snappy, First day back at school.......Uch.
Heh maybe I'm a lil slow on the up-take of this one or maybe I just been gone for a wee biit too long....but there are aliainces now!?
What happened to this being one 'whole' community? What are aliances good for in a place like AO? I thought we were all here to help each other not just the ones in our aliance!!
:rolleyes:
v_Ln
It's funny, I still get that karate kid speech when I open the page because I havent "balanced" out my antipoints. It seems whenever I come across a post deserving of negatives it's already been blasted til the bar is all the way left.
If you post a lot and you're at least civil, hopefully informative as well, you'll get a lot of green points. Vice versa with the negatives I believe. It's funny I don't think I've been reading these boards for too long but many people with registered dates after mine tower over me with both antipoints and post count. So really, the more you post the more you'll go in whichever direction your posts deserve.
The occasional "ur stupid" or "I'm trying to kill this thread - sorry" antipoints don't really matter in the long run (though negatives from a post you made 8 months ago is always a surprise).
Yes, that would be a great idea, and if I neg myself everyone else on AO gets negative points. Make sense? I didn't think so. I don't know which one is more stupid my post or yours.Quote:
Originally posted here by unixjim
How about once someone has hit a limit of negging ppl, every neg after that they give ppl, they get negged as well on the same extent.
I think you fall under the One D Ten T catagory.
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Originally posted here by valhallen
Heh maybe I'm a lil slow on the up-take of this one or maybe I just been gone for a wee biit too long....but there are aliainces now!?
What happened to this being one 'whole' community? What are aliances good for in a place like AO? I thought we were all here to help each other not just the ones in our aliance!!
:rolleyes:
v_Ln
NOW do you understand the motivation behind the 'vendetta' thread? THERE ARE alliances here, and it would be nice if the system had a way to circumvent said alliances.
v_ln> Thats what happens when you start incoperating things like top10 antipoint earners and banning by negative points. People start trying to extort the system in one way or another. I have heard about aliances from more then one person. I agree, they are complete bull ****, and if I had a way to monitor antipoint assingments, I would start looking for trends and ban any one or any group that followed certain trends. It wouldn't be that hard, because there are only 100 active members or so, but it would be kinda time consuming, and I don't expect JP to have the time to do it. So until then, we gotta live with the lamers that would rather mess up the system instead of using it the way it was ment to be used.
I agree with your viewpoint shkuey. If the quality of your posts is overall positive and you are posting on a consistent basis, your positive APs will definitely outweigh the few negs you get. There will always the son of a seabiscuits that want to abuse the system since they have nothing better to do. I like the system as is for its checks and balances. As for those people misusing the system, what goes around comes around...in this life or the next. Keep your head up and keep making quality posts. ;)
Peace.
Hehe...apparently Americans have watched a wee bit too much "Survivor"....LOL!!Quote:
but there are aliainces now!?
What if there's nothing wrong with the quality of your posts? What if someone perhaps just doesn't like you for something or other? And sometimes it doesnt balance out for newbies...MHO.
Ok.... this is the first and only post I will make in an antipoints thread. I've avoided these like the plague because I don't think they're particularly productive, and because I don't like geting negged. I'm going to try to be diplomatic about this, but it's kind of hard to say this without ruffling some feathers, so I'm ready. But....
Yes, I think it's undeniable that there is an "in crowd" that likes to take care of each other with APs. I don't mean that they sit around and plot to give each other APs..... but I think there is a case of friends patting each other on the back. If you look at the posts, you'll see a lot of the senior members getting greenies off the scale for posts that really don't deserve it. Read through any of the recent antipoint suggestion threads and see how many of the senior members have gotten greenies off the scale for saying "Yeah, I think that's a great idea. I'm with so-and-so." And see how many lesser members have gotten negged.
On the flip side, we have a lot of members of lesser stature trying hard to get established who make consistent high quality posts, but they go largely ignored. I can think of several newbies I've seen recently who have made better and more informative posts than some of the senior members who seem to be raking in the points, but these posts are still sitting right in the middle of the "post assigned" meter. These people have to work 10 times harder for their points, and it can be a little disheartening for them to see some of the senior posts that get positives.
I guess what I'm saying is that the AP system seems to be more of a social club than a way of rewarding good posts.
That being said, I do agree with antihaxor that if the posts are up to par, they will rarely get negs. I've tried hard to make useful posts that people would find helpful, and avoid useless drivel. And for the most part I've been very fortunate with regard to negs. I've had a few stupid ones, but not many, and I just shake them off and go on. I've been fortunate that I've managed to accumulate a few greens, and I try to be responsible in how I use them. I try to be alert to newbie posts that have some thought behind them and help thos people get established in the community, and I try not to neg unnecessarily. When I do neg a newbie, I try to attach a comment they they will find useful.
After all of that grousing, I don't know that the system should be changed because, for all its flaws, it's a mirror of the world we live in. We have to deal with these kinds of things every day of our lives, and I don't see why AO should be any different. Life isn't always fair, but that's just the way it is. Whining about it won't help.
well said problem child
though some people really need to take heed of
most of the time it just earns u more negs!!!Quote:
Whining about it won't help
v_Ln
I say we get rid of the top10 AP earner list. :) "I'll neg that guy, they have too many."