Well the FBI supposedly found a terrorist group in buffalo...soooo.... I was curious....does that put USA on the list as a terrorist threat and line it up for bombing too by Bush?
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Well the FBI supposedly found a terrorist group in buffalo...soooo.... I was curious....does that put USA on the list as a terrorist threat and line it up for bombing too by Bush?
Food 4 Thought by a peacelovin Canadian
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No I think that means that the US is now involved in a form of guerila warfare... Something I was trained to combat and train people in... It just makes the stakes a little bit higher for those of us in the US of A...
4MidgetHitmen
What is a terrorist?The people from WACO?Ruby ridge?That seems to be what kind of "terrorists that the US produces.People that live in the hills and want to be left alone.Because they have guns and don't pay taxes on a regular basis,they're labeled as terrorists.If there is some kind of concrete evidence suggesting they had plans of killing innocent people,line 'em and mow 'em down with the rest of them.If they were Muslim fanatics,that doesn't make ther US a target for bombing,because we don't support them.They are enemy troops invading our country.
the people from waco were the branch davidians gghornet, and they were there own form, they werent produced by the united states, they had further origins. timothy mcveigh happened to be in the same league as david caresh, or so they say. but the terrorist group in buffalo is more than likely just a rag tag group that decided they wanted to be famous, or.. of course they could be as serious as the branch davidians. i just hope they arent stereotyped as actual terrorists because of there ethnicity. thats all i have to say on this subject.
gghornet, i mostly agree with you (i think), at ruby ridge the only terrorists uncovered were the fbi:
undercover agents paid a destitute ridge runner good money to saw off the barrel of their shotgun. when they went out with a warrent to arrest him for this heinous crime the mans son and his dog were out hunting in the woods. the dog sensed the fbi crawling up the hill in full battle array and started barking. to silence the dog they shot him, severing the animals spine. as the dog tried crawling back to the boy using his front legs to drag the rest of his body, the boy went wild, as i would, and started shooting at the men who shot his dog for no apparent reason. the agents shot the boy. A siege of the mans cabin followed in which time an fbi 'marksman' managed to shoot the mans wife. The man surrendered. waco wasn't any better, but your forgetting about ok city, that was (also) a genuine act of terrorism.
two facts remain, those arrested in buffalo are forign invaders (according to AP they were trained at an al-Qaida-run training camp in Afghanistan in the spring of 2001.) and the person who started this thread deserves a good beating.
Tedob1
Maybee you misunderstood the meaning behind my thread. Sounds like you may have because of the "beating" you suggested for me : ).
The meaning behind my words...which you actually confirmed in your response saying that these people were trained at the terrorist training camp spring of 2001.
My meaning to this thread was rather simple in my way of thinking, which I should appologize to cause it is different than most sometimes.
If these people...( lets call em terrorists because thats the label they seem to have)..were found on American soil. If these people were found ...... oh lets pull a place outta my hat ..... IRAQ lets say...would it be used as a reason to bomb Iraq? In all honesty please.
The argument would seem to be valid for bombing Iraq under these circumstances but not buffalo...for one basic fact... You can relate to the innocent women and children in Buffalo...but because of biased publicity you cannot in Iraq or in Afghanistan.
For the most part....the american public sees these countries as full of degenerate rednecks with guns fighting a holy war...theres also children....shop keepers...teachers...wives etc...think of those people next time ya send the bombs....cause the degenerate terrorists...that you hope your bombing....are also on your soil...as the buffalo FBI have proved.
Im not anti-american as some would take it from my thread...I would respond the same to any country going outta thier way to fight a war that cant be won....again I oppoligize if i upset anyone... it wasnt my plan.
Peace Loving Canadian............He||sFurY
I probably should not respond to this latest post since someone has neged the crap out of me for sharing my thoughts on the subject and accused me of being a liar and various other things (which by the way I am not... I live by a very simple set of rules... Do not lie cheat or steal nor tolerate those who do... A hard concept for some to grasp ) That being said...
It has nothing to do with being able to relate to the women and children in BUfffalo and not those in Iraq or Afganistan... It has to do with the fact that in Buffalo we can use the FBI to arrest these foregin invaders and we can not do that in say Iraq or Afganistan...
As for not being able to win the war I have to agree in part with you on that one... You are correct in saying that the war can not be won... At least not in the sense that WWI or WWII were won... As long as there are two human being on this planet with differing veiws there will be conflict... I personally think that if the US and our allies can do away with even half of the training bases and sponser states then we will have made the world a safer place for everyone and in that sense we will have won the war...
4MidgetHitmen
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when they went out with a warrent to arrest him for this heinous crime the mans son and his dog were out hunting in the woods. the dog sensed the fbi crawling up the hill in full battle array and started barking. to silence the dog they shot him, severing the animals spine. as the dog tried crawling back to the boy using his front legs to drag the rest of his body, the boy went wild, as i would, and started shooting at the men who shot his dog for no apparent reason. the agents shot the boy. A siege of the mans cabin followed in which time an fbi 'marksman' managed to shoot the mans wife.
that just makes me sick, havent those lamers heard of stunners. i hate it when high officials feel all hiearchish and decide they can kill.. it was kinda stupid for the boy to start shooting though. and tedob, that Ok. City thing sucked, i was within 30 miles and heard it happen, at school, we all thought it was an oil well exploding or something. freaky stuff. i was in 3rd grade at the time... my dad was even closer to the place and actually felt the explosion. weird stuff yo.
I think we all need to rethink the word 'terrorist.' During the days of Slick Willie and his lovely wife, anybody who owned a gun or thought differently than them, or Butch Reno, was called a terrorist. It was the same with Patriot. a patriot once meant somebody who loved and was willing to die for his/her country. That, too, became a dirty word.
Koresh and the Branch Davidians weren't terrorists. They were different, to say the least. The BATF could have arrested Koresh any time prior to the attack. He jogged every day right past the house they were using as a headquarters, at least until the siege began.
September 11th last year showed us what real terrorism is all about. The militia groups, freemen, religious cults, and the rest are just people who want to be left the hell alone. During the Clinton years, people like that couldn't be tolerated. So, they called those people terrorists and the leftist, liberal, pacifist, cowardly, yuppie masses bought into it.
That was crazy. I am from buffalo, and I could not believe it. This was actually in Lackawana but that is not far at all from buffalo. My friend was telling me about it that night , and I didnt believe him. When I got home went online and I saw it. Crazy they got like 5 people I think it was and it was an operating cell. I wonder how many more are around here. I always figured there had to be because Niagara Falls is right down the road and they have the Power Vista that provides power for alot of the country.
I'm glad they got them, Euclid, and that no innocent people were hurt. I'm lucky. I live way out in the country and there's nothing around here anybody would ever want. When something happens close to home, especially if they were an operating cell, you begin to realize how vulnerable you, your family, and your friends really are. What if they hadn't caught them? What did they have planned? Was Buffalo planned as the next World Trade Center? Who knows?
Also are there others. They called it a cell and they got 5 people. I would think a cell would be more than 5 people. Maybe not though. They had a big news cast, Im sure all over the country but it wasnt really anything. They basicly just said we know stuff and were just here to let you know that we know but were not going to let you know so stop asking the questions that we say were not going to answer.
Most cells are small. The less involved, the less chance of being caught. If the Feds hang around for long, you can pretty much judge whether they think there are more. Knocking out a power generating station there would impact a huge area and number of people. Don't be surprised if there are others in the region.
He||sFurY I apologize. Your remark seemed to me to be just an insult meant to hurt and anger. it did.
If you had someone in your back yard throwing rocks at you and your family you’d simply put a stop to it.
Now if the rock thrower was in your neighbors back yard. you approached your neighbor to have him put a stop to it or allow you into the yard to do it yourself, his response is I don’t believe you, you have no proof. Meanwhile this dude is still standing in the neighbors yard, for all to see, throwing rocks. Your son is unconscious on the ground your daughter is bleeding under the picnic table, where shes hiding with your wife who’s screaming.
Your neighbor is now, standing there blocking you from getting to this insane rock thrower, and calling you a liar. Now I don’t know what you would do. But I would beat the **** out of him and anyone else who stood in my way to get at the son of a bitch throwing the rocks, to protect my own. i don't care what reasons he thinks he has.
Now I agree that the us government has no right to interfere in the politics of other nations. however, The us did not invent this situation. Its was started by the un. If the rest of the countries involved pulled their own weight in the un financially, the us would not be the primary supporter of isreal as well as everthing else the un does. It’s my opinion that as far as the un goes the us should just say no. we don’t need them.
As long as there are countries supporting and protecting groups that are planning to kill me and mine I support anything necessary to stop them.
tedob, I couldn't have said it better. I've been saying for years that the UN is a joke and we should rid ourselves of it. It's nothing more than another name for the League of Nations, another failure. The United Nations has the ridiculous notion that it can be a world government. Without us, the UN would collapse. I think that would be best for all, and much cheaper for us. NYC needs the space for another parking lot. I can't think of a better way to make use of that property.
NYC would be less of a paking lot without the UN. those bastards, sorry diplomats, park their cars anywhere they feel like it including the middle of the street. and up until bloomberg changed the law, the police were powerless to stop them because of their plates. the un wants to disarm the private sector and abolish private property. let them do it elsewhere.
I just saw the buffalo news and there is a crazy article on these 5 people. They say the cell was a sleeper cell and that some of these 5 men met usama bin laden ( i know i trashed the spelling) personally at a training camp for the acts of 9/11 and they said he was very insperational. Crazy times
Anyways you can read the article that is on every front page out here possible where you are as well, but here is the buffalo news version . http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial...15/1038133.asp
So they were the real thing, just sitting and waiting to get the word to do something. Usama was very inspirational, huh? I wonder at these idiots. He sends them out to die, but runs away when he has the opportunity to go meet Allah. Don't any of them wonder about that?
tedob, the UN has been sticking its nose into everything for years. I recall a few years ago, some genius from the UN sent a letter to the State of Alabama. It had something to do with their schools. Alabama sent them a letter back advising them that they'd be better off focusing their attention on some of the other problems facing the World.
As for disarming us and abolishing private property, that's been on their plate for many years. It's still on their agenda. Communism didn't die with the Soviet Union. It just moved to the UN Headquarters in NYC.
You bring up a really good valid point about him running away from the chance to mee Allah.
Yea the comment about him being insperational pissed me off, how the hell can you call murdering millions inspirational? Some people have a F'ed veiw on life.
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ok maybe not millions, or actually better said as plotting to kill millions, that I am sure he has done.
Now you have to wonder how many more cells there are there and scattered across the country, just waiting for the word. I said it on another thread, maybe a couple of others, that it isn't over. They'll hit again and again. It's just a matter of time.