The House voted today to approve the use of force against Iraq. You can read the language they used here
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The House voted today to approve the use of force against Iraq. You can read the language they used here
I definately believe it's time to go into Iraq,but I don't think the Senate should follow anyone.If they feel it's time and there's sufficiant evidence against Iraq to wage war,then they should pass it.If they don't feel it's that time yet then they should vote against it.This has been a long drawn out process,and there's no reason for anybody to start following anybody elses lead now.
I didn't vote,because neither option fits my opinion.
heh...we aren't going to see JACK out of the Senate until the election is over.... especially with the problems in New Jersey. In the meantime, stay tuned for more stonewalling and finger-pointing from BOTH sides...business as usual on capitol hill.
I personally can't wait to see what comes out of the New Jersey mess. It would seem to me that the Democrats are stuck with Torricelli and that unless he can find a way to somehow make it clear to the people that if he were elected he would immediately appoint some other Democrat to the office they are SOL. In that case the Republicans would control the senate, and it may make more sense (from the democrats standpoint) to vote on the wording of the resolution prior to that happening.
It is really all a matter of time... I just hope the Bush administration can get the same cooperation from the UN so that the USA does not come out looking as bad in the eyes of the rest of the world. As much as I despise al gore he makes a valid point that our war on terrorism is extremely dependent on the cooperation of other nations. If we attack Iraq unilatterally, or even with Britian we stand to lose the support of the nations that are boarderline allys which may create more Afghanistan like environments for those "Coward Bastards" - (Geraldo Rivera's favorite words) to hide.
AND ANOTHER THING ! while I am on this rant... Now that Al Queda has learned to use PGP everyone is paranoid about the eminante cyber war we will have to face.. All I know is that if the cyber sh!t ever does hit the fan I know whose side I would want to be on! If I were a betting man, (which I am) I would lay the chalk on the US team and ride it all the way to the bank!!!
Well, I'm in the Army National Guard and have been for almost 2 years now, so I'm sure you can imagine I have quite an opinion about the subject. Odds are when we finally go to war with them, I will be activated since I'm extremely important on the battlefield as a 75B (Personell Administrative Specialist). As a 75B, I have MANY responsibilites, but on the battle field my main job is to make sure people who've died or become incopatictated get replaced.
With that said you get the idea of the chance that I'll be activated. I don't really want to go seeing as how I just got out of AIT (Advanced Individual Training) a few weeks ago and I'm just starting my life out on my own and don't want to leave it behind. But when we go to war and I get activated, I'll be willing and ready to do my part. I'll do my best that I can. I believe that something needs to be done about Saddam. Many Iraq citizens don't want war and are actually quite friendly with our troops who are already over there. I would hate to see people like them die (and our own of course!)....
...Just my opinion........
Could you clarify the "our troops are already over there", part for me? In Iraq?Quote:
Originally posted here by cF_nM
Many Iraq citizens don't want war and are actually quite friendly with our troops who are already over there.
Yeah, and when our same troops are bombing their leader, who do you think they will praise, US?? Lol, as sad as it is, these people are brainwashed. They will back saddam to death (martydom?). I think it is good that we are going into Iraq because, IMHO, it was a mistake to let them (Saddam) remain in power after Persian Gulf. For some more thoughts of mine on this issue, visit http://www.antionline.com/showthread...606#post570606 I will be looking at this thread alot since I am into Politics and debates.
Also, do you think that if the UN said No to Bush, that he would say fine? I think he'd go in either way, IMHO.
Well we already have air force, army, marines, and navy in the area over there.Quote:
Originally posted here by Mahakaal
Could you clarify the "our troops are already over there", part for me? In Iraq?
I think he means the troops that are in Kuwait and Saudi... cF_nM I don't think you have to worry to much about being activted just yet... (My wife is a 92M (Mortuary Affairs) and they just deactivated the reserve component 92M's... ) Unless they send the active division your NG unit is assigned to support you should be ok... So far the units that I know of that are slated to go over there are the 101st, elements of the 82nd, Special Forces of course, 2nd Armored Division, and the MAU that is in the gulf area right now... If you do have to go just remember what you were taught in basic and AIT and you'll do ok...
cF_nM> We have troops in mostly every part of the world though. Whether it is for base's or for just monitering, protection, etc etc, we still have troops in most parts of the world these days. I doubt the troops have daily conversations with Iraqi's to see if they like them or not. I think that the general population of Iraq don't like Americans in general.
Well the problem with taking out Saddam when we had the chance is this: his son is said to be even worse than Saddam...Quote:
Originally posted here by Common_Exploit
Yeah, and when our same troops are bombing their leader, who do you think they will praise, US?? Lol, as sad as it is, these people are brainwashed. They will back saddam to death (martydom?). I think it is good that we are going into Iraq because, IMHO, it was a mistake to let them (Saddam) remain in power after Persian Gulf. For some more thoughts of mine on this issue, visit http://www.antionline.com/showthread...606#post570606 I will be looking at this thread alot since I am into Politics and debates.
Ok so let's say we take out Saddam AND his son at the same time, who is next? The next guy in line is just as likely to be even worse (is it possible) or just as bad.....
Well I don't know if Bush would go through with it or not, but I do know this. From a military personnel's perspective, we're ready to fight. When we go to war, we'll be ready to take them out (and I don't mean to dinner). Even if it means all by ourselves.Quote:
Originally posted here by Common_Exploit
Also, do you think that if the UN said No to Bush, that he would say fine? I think he'd go in either way, IMHO.
Umm.. I believe (and correct me if Im wrong) but I thought that once we take Saddam out that we would appoint someone or have an Interim like we have in Afganistan. If that's not it, please correct me.
Thx for the info there...I'm not afraid of my unit being activated-they just got back from Bosnia soon after I got back from AIT. What I think may happen is I'll get temporarily transfered to a unit who isn't 100% strength. When my unit left for Bosnia, we got about 25 people (my unit is about 60 people) from a nearby unit to go with them.Quote:
Originally posted here by 4MidgetHitmen
I think he means the troops that are in Kuwait and Saudi... cF_nM I don't think you have to worry to much about being activted just yet... (My wife is a 92M (Mortuary Affairs) and they just deactivated the reserve component 92M's... ) Unless they send the active division your NG unit is assigned to support you should be ok... So far the units that I know of that are slated to go over there are the 101st, elements of the 82nd, Special Forces of course, 2nd Armored Division, and the MAU that is in the gulf area right now... If you do have to go just remember what you were taught in basic and AIT and you'll do ok...
Well, do you remember how difficult it was to choose who we were going to appoint? Not only that, the citizens of Iraq are going to want to choose their own leader. I mean come on. Think of this. A country overtakes our country and wants to appoint a leader of their choice. Would you try to fight them? I hope so, I know I would.......Quote:
Originally posted here by Common_Exploit
Umm.. I believe (and correct me if Im wrong) but I thought that once we take Saddam out that we would appoint someone or have an Interim like we have in Afganistan. If that's not it, please correct me.
I think after the current regime in Iraq is removed we will oversee the new government for a while... As far as who will take Saddams place we have been supporting for lack of a better word a sort of Iraqi Government in exile since the end of the Gulf War... I would venture a guess that the next leader of Iraq will come form the Iraqi National Congress... From waht I know of them they already have a constitution, plans for free elections, etc in place and ready to go... I would also imagine that there will be "Peace Keepers" in Iraq for quite sometime after we take care of business there... The UN will feel it has to have some kind of say in how things are done over there whether they participate or not... It would not suprise me if we set up an army of occupation of sorts like we did after WWII in Germany and Japan... I guess we'll see in a few months...
I'm against using force against Iraq. It's essentially not going to solve anything. Someone else will just take Saddam's place. It will be the same evil, but with a new face. We haven't exercised all our options yet, and I feel the president pushed for this far too quickly. All this is going to do is cause a lot of heart ach for people in the end.
Just my opinions
Take care
::Chelle::
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Originally posted here by cF_nM
Well the problem with taking out Saddam when we had the chance is this: his son is said to be even worse than Saddam...
Perhaps the same could be said of George W Senior and George W Jnr? ;)
LMAO!!!
Well said!
::Chelle::