Man & Woman

I know this is a bit risky, but I have to get it off my chest. This is just my opinion people, so don't get too upset. Here goes: I seem to differ from many other guys when dealing with women. A lot of my friends and other guys that I know seem to think that a woman's place is really in the house taking care of the kids, washing the clothes, cooking the food, cleaning the house, and so on and so forth... I, on the other hand, feel obligated to do as close to half of the aforementioned as possible. I do cook, once or twice a week (we also eat out once or twice). I clean the house when it's time to do so. I wash and fold clothes - although, I will admit, it sometimes takes me awhile to put them away if there are a lot of them. I quite possibly may have changed more pampers than my wife - and some other women that I know. I make sure all homework is done. I also give the kids a bath. Now that I have most of the fellas' mouths open :D , I'll throw in one more thing: my pride wouldn't be the slightest bit hurt if my wife made more than twice my salary. Why is this so...I don't know - maybe it was my upbringing (single Mom and all)!!??? Frankly, I don't see the fascination with being able to have a lop-sided relationship. However, this is just the way it is with me; there are many out there that are just fine with a philosophy just the opposite of mine. I don't think that women should be considered inferior to men, but again, that's just my opinion. Any thoughts...I am interested in your responses, but let's make it a good productive, clean thread (if there is such a thing). ;)


Peace and Blessings good people!

I say more power to you t2k2. A lot of men tend to take it personally when their significant others are making more than them. It didn't bother me when I was married.(Hrrmmm...perhaps thats why my wife left me...j/k LOL). And anyone who thinks women are inferior to men.....I say to them...respect the womb that bore you.
Know that you're not insecure like some men are.

Hey t2k2 I have the perfect website for you www.askmen.com this site is tight so check it out. :D

t2k2 > i share similar views, actually the way I see it life is all about balance, yin and yang, good and bad, so relationships should reflect that. Its good to see that your breaking old trends and stereotypes, now if only more would follow your example

I'd say anyone who thinks of women as inferior needs to take a look around.Everywhere you look women are in high places.Executives in large corporations,teachers(I have an aunt who is a chemistry proffesor and one of my grandmothers retired from teaching psychology at SIU and now treats federal prison inmates.),soldiers,judges,and poloticians(not to mention every other form of employment out there.Then most of them still make the time to be mothers on top of that(which by the way is one job I wouldn't want.)

Because of that,why shouldn't guys pitch in around the house.The best part of the whole thing is when you clean the house yourself,it's a hell of a lot easier to find your tools.The era of women sitting around the house doing dishes and dusting 24/7 is over with.So somebody got to do that stuff when the wife's got to work full time too.

You hit the nail on the head t2k2. I feel exactly the same about this issue and believe me it definitely has a lot to do with the way you were brought up. I have been doing the dishes, cleaning the house, preparing dinner etc. as well as changing my kid’s nappies when they were born. I don’t think it makes you less of a man to share this responsibility; in fact it could only make you a better person.

My kids are brought up the same way and it makes you feel proud when somebody else tells you that your kids have good manners. That tells me that we must be doing something right. You know where I can see it personally? When my wife is not feeling very well (terminal illness-Systemic Lupus Erythmatosis), and I am occupied at work, they can prepare food or see to it that she gets her medication on time. What makes me even more proud is that they do it out of their own free will and goodness of their hearts.

Maybe we should put this one to the vote. Just a thought.
I am 100% with you on this one.

Regards
V/man:)

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Originally posted here by gghornet
I'd say anyone who thinks of women as inferior needs to take a look around.Everywhere you look women are in high places.

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The main perpetrator of this type of behaviour is the Catholic Church. The majority of people who don't feel threatened by women feel the same way as you t2k2.......... ;)

Right on..

I think it's time for the real kind of girl power..
I make more then my boyfriend... like 2x more..
But I also work a lot harder.

YOSD (the_JinX's girlfriend)

Yeah, you're right about women working high-maintenance/high profile jobs. Just look at Condoleezza Rice. She's the National Security Advisor! I think that's just amazing! Not long ago, a woman holding a position like that was only someone's "pipe dream." But now more than ever, it's becoming an everyday thing. I say, "more power to you." I support my wife to advance in whatever she wants to do. I am probably the one person she can count on for that kind of support. She doesn't deserve any less, and (speaking to all the fellas) neither should your mother or your wife.

How can staying home with kids, teaching them, and keeping the house be any bit inferior? It isn't about inferior, wether women should work or not. How can women think that being able to stay home and hand raise the next generation is inferior to working somewhere else? Isn't raising the kids and being a housewife better than just pulling in money?

Raven

It's all about perception Raven. I don't look at my wife as being inferior, and I think that I should share in the joys and responsibilities of taking care of a household/family. However, over the years (many years!), the role that women play in everyday life has been trivialized, when really - we couldn't exist without them. Many men look at staying home and cooking and cleaning as a job of less importance then working a 9 - 5. And when both man and woman work full-time, the woman's job is more or less trivialized as well, even if they hold similar job titles.

I am a woman, not inferior to my husband. I make more than twice what he does per year. Futhermore he works under me at work in our autobody shop. I know more than he does about cars and power tools. We share the housework equally. We leave work at work and home at home.

Our relationship is fantastic, we share everything equally. Not one person we know makes fun or belittles him, they all respect our relationship and many wish theirs was the same.

We have mutual respect and a great friendship. We have been together for 13 years.

Anyone who thinks that women should be stuffed away barefoot and pregnant, is the guy that will end up alone when it's time that we all need help just to make it through the day.

Just my 2 cents.

Good for you zaggy. Your relationship sounds terrific. I wish you many more years of happiness! ;)

Thank you t2k2!! :D

I have more of a problem when men think housewives just sit around all day and watch tv. I believe they work harder than most people at their jobs and then get screwed when they need social security because the time does not count as work credit. I think another problem is women who think they can have both (great job and family). One will suffer and usually it's the children. I'm not talking about the single mothers that have to work. I'm talking about the ones that have a providing husband and are working so they can have another mini-van.

I can understand your gripe owen. My wife stayed at home for about 3 months with our second child, but she couldn't take it. She wanted to be somewhere outside of the house working. I don't necessarily agree about not being able to have a "great job and family" part. My wife works full-time, and we are still able to spend sufficient time with our children. As of right now, if there was anyone's job that would prevent them from spending time with the kids, it would be me. I am on basically on call 24/7. However, I can see what you mean (kinda) if you are talking about the Mom/Wife having a really demanding job. Jobs like that can be really overwhelming. She used to work in retail management, and it was a b1tch! Those of you out there that have worked retail know what I mean. I did it for some years, and boy, was it tiring. Anyway, I think it's really about balance (even though there are only so many hours in the day ;) ) I have know women that are able to balance a thousand tasks (exaggerating, of course) and still have time to spend with their families. I don't think that this makes the family any less harmonic. Anyway, I could be totally off from what you are talking about. If I am, I apologize.

Well Conf1im3d_k1ll I'd have to say that's a pretty good possibility considering I went to Catholic schools all through grade school and junior high,but if you're implying that I feel threatened by women,you're way off course.I think it's great that women can seek out whatever form of employment they want.As a matter of fact a lot of them make better leaders than men,because it seems to me anyway that women don't tend to have the one sided views of race,religion,and politics that many men have.(Obviously that's not true in all cases.)

You have a point there. There are a lot of women I know that work very effectively in positions of power. I don't think they are lacking at all in the leadership department.