CD Hidden Track Problem

I bought a cd the other day... turns out the damn thing can't be played on my puter.
Another cd I bought can only be played (on my puter) with the special player it comes with.

I don't really have a problem with that (although it IS violating Philips' original idea of what a CD should be, and I am allowed to make one personal copy of any cd I bought, which is impossible with those two).

Now here's another problem I faced the other day: a normal cd starts at 01 01 00:00.
I have this cd though with a 'hidden' track. You probably all know hidden tracks, which are most of the time placed at the end of the cd. All you have to do is use your fast-forward-button and you can hear the song. Ripping the song is as easy as ripping a normal track.
Not with this cd: the hidden track is ermm.. hidden... BEFORE the first track, so I have to fast-REWIND for quite some time to hear the track. Doesn't bother me THAT much, but I wanted to rip the track anyways... Any suggestions?

This is the album I'm talking about btw...

I bought a cd the other day... turns out the damn thing can't be played on my puter.
Another cd I bought can only be played (on my puter) with the special player it comes with.

I don't really have a problem with that (although it IS violating Philips' original idea of what a CD should be, and I am allowed to make one personal copy of any cd I bought, which is impossible with those two).

Now here's another problem I faced the other day: a normal cd starts at 01 01 00:00.
I have this cd though with a 'hidden' track. You probably all know hidden tracks, which are most of the time placed at the end of the cd. All you have to do is use your fast-forward-button and you can hear the song. Ripping the song is as easy as ripping a normal track.
Not with this cd: the hidden track is ermm.. hidden... BEFORE the first track, so I have to fast-REWIND for quite some time to hear the track. Doesn't bother me THAT much, but I wanted to rip the track anyways... Any suggestions?

This is the album I'm talking about btw...

Why not see if you can download it? I know it's not a solution...just a way around it :D

Why not see if you can download it? I know it's not a solution...just a way around it :D

hmmm, i hope this helps, but when i make a copy of a cd or want to add a track, one of the things i do is : for example in windows, use windows explorer and look threw the cd in that and pull whatever i want from there, it lists all the songs and so far its also listed hidden tracks, windows media player 7 usually lets you look threw the cd contents to so you can add them to your library and if that doesnt let you for some reason real one player should let you from http://www.real.com the free realone player does fine (im surely not paying for something like this...even though i prolly would) but anyway hope this helps you out, iv had problems like this before but a lil tinkering with explorer and media players will hopefully work out for you.

hmmm, i hope this helps, but when i make a copy of a cd or want to add a track, one of the things i do is : for example in windows, use windows explorer and look threw the cd in that and pull whatever i want from there, it lists all the songs and so far its also listed hidden tracks, windows media player 7 usually lets you look threw the cd contents to so you can add them to your library and if that doesnt let you for some reason real one player should let you from http://www.real.com the free realone player does fine (im surely not paying for something like this...even though i prolly would) but anyway hope this helps you out, iv had problems like this before but a lil tinkering with explorer and media players will hopefully work out for you.

Windows Explorer comes up with this:
an Autorun.inf file (which starts pcload.exe)
an icon-file
and pcload.exe (a little proggy that takes you the website).
There's no tracks to be seen anywhere...
WinAmp doesn't see the track, neither do MediaPlayer or RealPlayer...

Mahakaal: trust me, I've tried your suggestion already ;)

Windows Explorer comes up with this:
an Autorun.inf file (which starts pcload.exe)
an icon-file
and pcload.exe (a little proggy that takes you the website).
There's no tracks to be seen anywhere...
WinAmp doesn't see the track, neither do MediaPlayer or RealPlayer...

Mahakaal: trust me, I've tried your suggestion already ;)

Negative your (real expensive) solution -> get yourself a Marantz professional studio CD recorder. Those things can make direct digital copies of digital sources, this way they skip most of the copy protections. I know they did with the early protections. But that's not the answer you want to hear.
And indeed the cd you mention should not wear the label CD since it's not compatible with the compact disc standard. In short it isn't even a CD ;)

Negative your (real expensive) solution -> get yourself a Marantz professional studio CD recorder. Those things can make direct digital copies of digital sources, this way they skip most of the copy protections. I know they did with the early protections. But that's not the answer you want to hear.
And indeed the cd you mention should not wear the label CD since it's not compatible with the compact disc standard. In short it isn't even a CD ;)

One german site once said that the CD block's could be removed by simply using a permanent pen and putting a line at 90 degrees to the center of the CD which crosses the Hidden track on the outside.....now..I read this in a mag some time agoe...tryed it out...and I faild....prolly coz my line was all over the place :D
I'm sure there is some way of gettign past the block...one thing I'v learnt from computers is that nothing is impossible...

Hmmm, am I correct in guessing that this CD can't be playd with Windows Media player?.....coz if you can't then there might be something at CD-copyworld (I can't remmember the acctual Addy but it's something like that)

Good luck...

- Noia

BTW: What CD is it?....is it good?

One german site once said that the CD block's could be removed by simply using a permanent pen and putting a line at 90 degrees to the center of the CD which crosses the Hidden track on the outside.....now..I read this in a mag some time agoe...tryed it out...and I faild....prolly coz my line was all over the place :D
I'm sure there is some way of gettign past the block...one thing I'v learnt from computers is that nothing is impossible...

Hmmm, am I correct in guessing that this CD can't be playd with Windows Media player?.....coz if you can't then there might be something at CD-copyworld (I can't remmember the acctual Addy but it's something like that)

Good luck...

- Noia

BTW: What CD is it?....is it good?

http://cdcopyworld.x2.nu/

sorry couldnt help more with the problem but theres the site i think the other member was talking about.

http://cdcopyworld.x2.nu/

sorry couldnt help more with the problem but theres the site i think the other member was talking about.

Noia that particular CD is damm good. If you ever come to Belgium and see flyers 'Flying Dewaele Brothers' go to that party: those people made the cd Negative is talking about

Noia that particular CD is damm good. If you ever come to Belgium and see flyers 'Flying Dewaele Brothers' go to that party: those people made the cd Negative is talking about

yah, I have bought a couple of "cd's" in the recent past that have this copy protection built in to them. Funny thing is I can't play them on any of my cd players besides this one portable one that I have.

none of my pc's will play them, my home stereo unit won't play it since it has a CD-R built in to it... it's a philips :)

Oh and my car, in-dash, MP3 player won't play them either... so basically they are trying to force me in to buying all new hardware to play their little $19 dollar piece of plastic and these people wonder why there is so much pirating of their goods going on.

No I don't condone or support piracy, but I have to chuckle that the MPAA and RIAA when they wonder why there is such a backlash against them and why there is so much piracy in the first place.



El Diablo

yah, I have bought a couple of "cd's" in the recent past that have this copy protection built in to them. Funny thing is I can't play them on any of my cd players besides this one portable one that I have.

none of my pc's will play them, my home stereo unit won't play it since it has a CD-R built in to it... it's a philips :)

Oh and my car, in-dash, MP3 player won't play them either... so basically they are trying to force me in to buying all new hardware to play their little $19 dollar piece of plastic and these people wonder why there is so much pirating of their goods going on.

No I don't condone or support piracy, but I have to chuckle that the MPAA and RIAA when they wonder why there is such a backlash against them and why there is so much piracy in the first place.



El Diablo

Hehe, thx for that advice ViktorKaum... got a spare Marantz for me? ;)
Anyways, the track I'm looking for seems to be hidden on Session 0, and I haven't found a player (let alone a ripper) that is able to read Session 0 yet...

About the CD: if you ever wondered what a mix of The Stooges and Salt 'n Pepa tastes like, that's the cd you should get... Here's a complete list of all tracks used. The one track I'm looking for is the first one (that's right, Kylie Minogue :D

Noia: MediaPlayer doesn't have a problem with playing the cd... at least not with Session 1 ;)

Hehe, thx for that advice ViktorKaum... got a spare Marantz for me? ;)
Anyways, the track I'm looking for seems to be hidden on Session 0, and I haven't found a player (let alone a ripper) that is able to read Session 0 yet...

About the CD: if you ever wondered what a mix of The Stooges and Salt 'n Pepa tastes like, that's the cd you should get... Here's a complete list of all tracks used. The one track I'm looking for is the first one (that's right, Kylie Minogue :D

Noia: MediaPlayer doesn't have a problem with playing the cd... at least not with Session 1 ;)

Negative it doesn't need to be a Marantz ;) Denon has similar products. If you have something like 1000 euro left. But both manufacturors seem to have removed those type of professional recorders from their website. Did they stop production? Or did the cd industry kindly asked not to promote this sort of products?

Negative it doesn't need to be a Marantz ;) Denon has similar products. If you have something like 1000 euro left. But both manufacturors seem to have removed those type of professional recorders from their website. Did they stop production? Or did the cd industry kindly asked not to promote this sort of products?

I just downloaded what I think is the song you want Negative. I found it through a p2p prog. Do a search for soulwax. Or if you're on irc I can try and dcc it to you.


EDIT: PM me if you want me to send it to you.

I just downloaded what I think is the song you want Negative. I found it through a p2p prog. Do a search for soulwax. Or if you're on irc I can try and dcc it to you.


EDIT: PM me if you want me to send it to you.

oh, one thing that I have heard works for bypassing some of the cd-protection stuff is to use a black magic marker and draw around the outside edge where the "hidden" track is. I haven't tried this, but I have heard of success from some of my Mac friends that have run in to this.

Seems that some of this cd-protection they have built in will KILL an I-Mac, as in it has to be sent back to the factory for repair type of killing. The magic marker trick works for them though... I'll try to find a website that is dedicated to that.



El Dialbo

oh, one thing that I have heard works for bypassing some of the cd-protection stuff is to use a black magic marker and draw around the outside edge where the "hidden" track is. I haven't tried this, but I have heard of success from some of my Mac friends that have run in to this.

Seems that some of this cd-protection they have built in will KILL an I-Mac, as in it has to be sent back to the factory for repair type of killing. The magic marker trick works for them though... I'll try to find a website that is dedicated to that.



El Dialbo

Negative,
This hidden track that you are trying to rip......why not play the cd on your hi-fi system and direct on audio line from the headphone jack into the audio in port on your sound card. Then record the track using cooledit pro at http://www.syntrillium.com/cep/ and convert to mp3 or cda? Then you could burn it! Also try this forum http://www.cdrom-guide.com/ There is a wealth of knowledge on this site regarding the issues you are confronting. Hope this helps.

Captfb

Negative,
This hidden track that you are trying to rip......why not play the cd on your hi-fi system and direct on audio line from the headphone jack into the audio in port on your sound card. Then record the track using cooledit pro at http://www.syntrillium.com/cep/ and convert to mp3 or cda? Then you could burn it! Also try this forum http://www.cdrom-guide.com/ There is a wealth of knowledge on this site regarding the issues you are confronting. Hope this helps.

Captfb

I know 2 good softwares to bypass those stupid protections.
try http://www.feurio.net/ (shareware)
or http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (cardware)

They can crash your pc. But if you try 2 or 3 times, they'll work.

I know 2 good softwares to bypass those stupid protections.
try http://www.feurio.net/ (shareware)
or http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ (cardware)

They can crash your pc. But if you try 2 or 3 times, they'll work.

you could try a little proggy called CD-R Diagnostic.
im not sure if its still being made, i have a really old version, but it still works.
i normally use it for ripping stuff of a cd that has become damaged, normally by sunlight or just use. it also seems to be able to rip data off CD's that haven't been burned properly. not coasters, only the ones that aren't so seriously wrecked.

you could try a little proggy called CD-R Diagnostic.
im not sure if its still being made, i have a really old version, but it still works.
i normally use it for ripping stuff of a cd that has become damaged, normally by sunlight or just use. it also seems to be able to rip data off CD's that haven't been burned properly. not coasters, only the ones that aren't so seriously wrecked.

Negative

Have a look at blindwrite:

http://www.blindwrite.com - a friend swears by it, but I dont know if it will help in your situation as I have no experience with this product. - but might be worth a try.

Negative

Have a look at blindwrite:

http://www.blindwrite.com - a friend swears by it, but I dont know if it will help in your situation as I have no experience with this product. - but might be worth a try.

The cd protection that you all talk about getting around using the magic marker works by placing random junk on the outer track. The cd players do not play the cd, because they keep reading the random junk placed on the outer track. I dont remember why the players dont skip to the next track as it has been awhile since ive read up on the subject. What the marker does, is make that outer track of junk unreadable no matter what so the player skips it. Hopes this sheds some light on the subject.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,52665,00.html

The cd protection that you all talk about getting around using the magic marker works by placing random junk on the outer track. The cd players do not play the cd, because they keep reading the random junk placed on the outer track. I dont remember why the players dont skip to the next track as it has been awhile since ive read up on the subject. What the marker does, is make that outer track of junk unreadable no matter what so the player skips it. Hopes this sheds some light on the subject.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology...,52665,00.html

I'm amazed that it couldn't be ripped with Windows Media player but it's more amazing that you couldn't find a kylie minogue song on the internet......oh well.......good luck.

Victor...I'll stop by some time ;)

- Noia

I'm amazed that it couldn't be ripped with Windows Media player but it's more amazing that you couldn't find a kylie minogue song on the internet......oh well.......good luck.

Victor...I'll stop by some time ;)

- Noia

Maybe try some virtual imaging software, i havent tried it yet but there is supposed to be a program that puts a virtual image of the disc, with the copywrite intact on your HD which then can be played from a virtual CD player you create with that prog. I read about it but I cant remember the name.....maybe someone out there can help you with that.
Good Luck