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Tired of newbies?
The subject of this thread might be a little hypocritical considering that I am a newbie...
To all the people who are tired of hearing irrelevant questions or tuts on hacking hotmail, I hear you. I dont know if this has been suggested before, but one of the main attractions to AO is for the downloads. I remember searching in Google for "AIM punters" (I know, lame) and was linked here.
JP, how about either--gasp--deleting the AIM section, or just adding one of those <NOLINK> scripts or whatever to repel search engine crawlers?
Just my suggestion.... :3pow: Thatll kill a couple newbs from signin up
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I know that this topic has been covered before, and I've usually reserved judgement because I know what it can be like to be the newbie. Having newbies is not all that bad. In fact, it is good if they are willing to expand the pool of knowledge. It's those that seem to suffer from defacto form of retardation that are a pain.
Would it kill people to read a manual? Would it kill them to read a FAQ? I hardly believe so.
I am not totally against your suggestion, but I don't think that this is going to help solve the problem at hand. That problem is that the people asking the lame questions are just lazy, pure and simple. If they can't bring it upon themselves to read a simple FAQ or the previous posts with the exact same content, then they, and their related posts should just be ignored.
Just my opinion.
Regards.
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You see i have to disagree with what you have just posted. You are a newbie i am a newbie, and there is a whole lot of newbies in here and a whole lot of addicts, senior members, members. That is what this site is about you come here as a newbie learn from the higher ranked people and then move up to be in a higher ranking. When you move up you get a chance to help those people that saw links on google.com and decided that this site is kind of interesting. Now if he " kills a couple newbs from signin up" then this site wouldn't be the same, and if somebody had suggested this to him early then you might not have been here. If you didn't know not everybody just one day says " Oh i'm going to go to antionline.com" people research this. I believe that is how many people finds out. So if JP had killed some " newbs" from signing up; you my friend wouldn't be here today;) so i can't agree.
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I would have to disagree with you too.
You yourself have came here from a search for "AIM Punters" and now seem to have realized that this is considered <quote> Lame </quote>
What I am trying to say is that many may come here under simular circumstances, and hopefuly walk away with a better understanding of computer ethics. Even if they make a stupid post like "How do I hack my girlfriends comp" or "Where can I get some cool viruses" and get flamed and/or banned for it -- if they walk away understanding why then their arrival at this site was worthwhile in some sense. Atleast there would be one more person out there that might recognize kiddy bull crap, and themselves be turned away from "The Darkside."
Sorry if it was hard to comprehend what I am trying to get to, but I'm trying to write my philosophy paper right now and as you can see I am having no luck with words tonight.
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Yeah I disagree with you too!!!! Either u dont know what u talking about or is it that u are insane or something!!! Hey im a newbie and all the newbies need help of whatever they need too thats why we got all the junior and seniors members so they can help us with whatever the topic is about... cause senior members i know they started to be a newbie and thats comense sence and thats just the way it flows newbies becomes to higher level helping others this is what the website is all about!!!
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I realize that I was a little to general, but thanks for contradicting me anyway. Yes, most newbs are legit, but the few who aren't usually come for the wrong reasons.
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Originally posted here by Showtime8000
I realize that I was a little to general, but thanks for contradicting me anyway. Yes, most newbs are legit, but the few who aren't usually come for the wrong reasons.
I also have to disagree with your first post. You see, while I am a computer virus researcher, I am from the "old" school of DOS and Windows 3.1 so the newer virii are - basically - a mystery to me. I originally found this sight from looking for computer virus sights and have actually learned more here than I have from most other sights. Yes <blush> I started out on those other sights as a KRAD 3L3T3 (or whatever you type it), but here I've learned that being "ELETE" means being responsible. And for a 41 year old "hacker (and I use the term loosely here) that is a hard thing for me to "swallow," the concept of responsibility. Now, however I have a child that I would like to be a productive member of society, and I hope that she - as she grows and learns - will use every resource at her fingertips ( even if it IS only trying to find whatever for what ever reason - good or bad) to learn that sense of responsibility herself.
The reasons for arriving here are many. What you do once you are here is your own choice. You can - like some who come - try to be "KOOL" and act like something you are not, or you can do what I am (fairly)sure a lot of people do who come here and "lurk" to learn. Read the FAQs, read the messages in the forums, and in general be willing to look for answers rather than having them handed to you on a platter.
That last, BTW, does not apply to you as far as I see. At least you render an opinion and accept feedback for that opinion. A lot of people don't. Good luck with your stay here and learn many things <g>.
James
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If you would prevent newbies from signing up then the site would stop growing and then there would be no idea to have it wouldn't it, cuz if everyone would be seniors who knew everything then the site would not get as many questions and posts..
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:killcompu
Yeah I disagree with you too!!!!
If that's what you believe Showtime8000, you shouldn’t be in AO. In order to learn and implement security, newbies need to understand how computers are hacked in the first place. Just because you understand things better than others newbies doesn’t mean that, newbies cannot ask lame questions. If you don’t like it you should put up with it or go else where. People like you are the ones who love to solve the crime without trying to understand how it was done in the first place. You should learn to understand the Dark Side better to be an expert in solving and avoiding it.Then you be the MASTER !!!
paladin
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Originally posted here by paladin
:killcompu
Yeah I disagree with you too!!!!
If that's what you believe Showtime8000, you shouldn’t be in AO. In order to learn and implement security, newbies need to understand how computers are hacked in the first place. Just because you understand things better than others newbies doesn’t mean that, newbies cannot ask lame questions. If you don’t like it you should put up with it or go else where. People like you are the ones who love to solve the crime without trying to understand how it was done in the first place. You should learn to understand the Dark Side better to be an expert in solving and avoiding it.Then you be the MASTER !!!
paladin
Actually, paladin, I have to disagree with you regarding whether Showtime8000 should be here or not. As you said... newbies (and I include you in this - no offense) DO need to understand computers. How they are hacked, how to prevent them, and how to ask questions or make comments without getting flamed or put down, Showtime8000 has a valid point in that I've seen a lot of new users here who seem to be obsessed with "haccking Hotmail", hacking in general or just plain Computer destruction. Most of them, once they learn just what this site is about learn that there is MORE to computers than destruction. They learn the TRUE meaning of "HACKING" which is to learn the most they can about a system of their choice and learn to make it better, not destroy it. :-)
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, even showtime8000 or me. Whether it is misguided or wrong is a subjective opinion that others must make. But to even appear to exclude someone because they express an opinion is wrong. Sure, I could, and would, flame someone who wants to hack a system for personal or stupid reasons <grin> but when someone asks me how to PREVENT it, I'd be more than happy to tell tehm if I know that answer.
I think Show was expressing an opinion about the ones who ask :how can I hack hotmail" or how can I get into "my" account on XXX system because I forgot my password. ;-). You know... THOSE kinds of questions. :).
You know... Sure I could tell someone how to WRITE a virus, but I would MUCH rather tell them how to either avoid, or recover from a virus if I have that answer.
As I said in my earlier post here... I would rather my daughter - once she is old enough - be willing to ask questions, form and express opinions, and be willing to learn, even if it is in a manner that I might personally disapprove of. Experience is a VERY hard instructor, and most people refuse to even listen. Know what I mean?
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I disagree with you, and you and you but i agree with you! What a pile of **** (excuse my french)
Ive lost track of this little conversation after the first post because of the general poor quality of this thread.
Just a suggestion, but why doesnt everyone stop moaning and just get on with the matter at hand SECURITY
Thanks for listening!
Regards
r3b00+
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Whatever the reason people come to AO really doesn't matter. If they come here looking to find out how to be a script kiddie and change their minds due to the content on here, well score one for us as a community. If they don't change their minds and ask stupid questions, they will be banned and we still win.
Diversity is necessary for any community, and while I feel that AO gets a bad rap because it is assumed to be a hacking site, once people are here they get the idea. The community has grown and that isn't because of kiddies, it is because of all the members, newbies, seniors and the inbetweens.
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Hear hear, well spoken zaggy!
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I think we should just forget about this thread and worry about more important things. If any newbie doesn't like to read the FAQ get negged then. Lets just leave it like that i am tired of this thread.;)
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Then why do you read this thread if you're tired of it?
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Originally posted here by ebo
I think we should just forget about this thread and worry about more important things. If any newbie doesn't like to read the FAQ get negged then. Lets just leave it like that i am tired of this thread.;)
If you are tired of a thread, quit posting in it. This is your second post in this thread. You stated your opinion in your first post, don't worry about posting a second post.
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Ive learned a lot from this post:
1) Refine my posts
2) Make sure I am specific
3) Respect others
At least I got something out of this!
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OK why if everybody desagrees with Showtime8000 people be giving him possitive AO points? I dont get it!!!!
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Okay first when i said that i am tired of this post i didnt literaly mean it. I just said that because we all learned something from it. Its time for us to move on, everybody comes here and they say what they feel. If we all keep saying that newbies this and this, we aren't going to get anything from it. I mean why is showtime8000 against me? You are the one that stated that JP should stop newbies from signing up, or lower their sources of finding out about this site. So before you start to talk about somebody else being rude or saying what they feel.... I have nothing against this post other than he suggested that JP stops newbs from signing on or kill their sources. So everybody needs to think about that before you all start to see me as the enemy here.
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I will tell you.
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Originally posted here by LilDraganon
OK why if everybody desagrees with Showtime8000 people be giving him possitive AO points? I dont get it!!!!
It is the way he reacted to all of the corrective criticism. He never flamed anyone, (some newbies might have took it as flames on them) he learned:
1) To refine his posts
2) To make sure he is specific
3) And to respect others (I gather he learned this by not only being reminded that he dissed the newbs, but by getting dissed by everyone else too.)
Some of you peeps really laid down the insults, I think he took it quite well... ;)
ok here it comes
<rant>
And to Mephisto, you remind me of the little concience dudes that sit on your shoulder razzin you all the time with little one liners...LOL you funny :D
In conclusion; I will add that a lot of these posts, IMHO, could have been nicer or not said at all. I suppose I will never quite understand why a person will read a post they dislike the topic of, then follow the thread for hours, hopping in and out of it every once in a while to see what the next person, who he probably won't like either, has posted. Only to ultimately post non-educational, non-supportive, rhetoric in this thread he has already dubbed nonsensical!
</rant>
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YOU ARE SOO WRONG. AND YOU KNOW IT. NOTHING SHOUYLD BE DELETED OR BLOCKED. IT'S FYNE THE WAY IT IS DUDE
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Thanx aeallison, now I feel really important :D
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Who in here wasn't a newbie at some point anyhow, everyone starts as a newb. I will admit i am a newb and my questions are just so i can learn and maybe help another....i do agree with flaming those who want to destroy things though.
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Stupid question. Everyone's a newbie at some point, aren't they?
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Originally posted here by IggyRat
Stupid question. Everyone's a newbie at some point, aren't they?
If it's a stupid question then why did you ask it?..
Of course everyone's a newb at some point,
that's kind of an obligation to become something higher ranked than a newb..
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And its the thread that never ends......
Yes it goes and on and on my friends....
Some people starting posting it not caring what it was.....
And they'll continue neggin me forever just because...
Its the thread that never ends....
I am not-anti newbie
I do not want to "DELETE OR BLOCK" anything
Just presenting an idea to limit ppl posing as hackers, which are LOWER than newbs
Lets just end the post here ----
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Re: I will tell you.
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Originally posted here by aeallison
It is the way he reacted to all of the corrective criticism. He never flamed anyone, (some newbies might have took it as flames on them) he learned:
1) To refine his posts
2) To make sure he is specific
3) And to respect others (I gather he learned this by not only being reminded that he dissed the newbs, but by getting dissed by everyone else too.)
Some of you peeps really laid down the insults, I think he took it quite well...
ok here it comes
<rant>
And to Mephisto, you remind me of the little concience dudes that sit on your shoulder razzin you all the time with little one liners...LOL you funny :D
In conclusion; I will add that a lot of these posts, IMHO, could have been nicer or not said at all. I suppose I will never quite understand why a person will read a post they dislike the topic of, then follow the thread for hours, hopping in and out of it every once in a while to see what the next person, who he probably won't like either, has posted. Only to ultimately post non-educational, non-supportive, rhetoric in this thread he has already dubbed nonsensical!
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aeallison , I agree that show obviously learned a thing or two
I would rather not count the number of times I've read a post where a newb got "flamed" and DIDN'T flame back or just say to everyone " Ok, well F*** everyone here... you just don't want to teach me because you think you're better than me" or some crap like that. At least show read the posts, accepted the criticism, learned from it, and moved on. As I stated earlier... he IS entitled to his own opinion, just like everyone else here is, and I will defend his right to HAVE that opinion just like I would anyone else here. :mad:
Sure, a lot of these posts COULD have been a lot nicer or more constructive rather than criticising... but the point is, Show learned and accepted what was given him without getting a "skript kiddie" attitude. Personally, I think that shows more maturity on his part than on the part of some who responded to his original post. :D
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I'm a newbie here (2nd post) and I have to admit I was angered at first when I read the first post by Showtime, but after looking at all the posts to it I realized a couple of things...
1. He was trying to make a point about newbs coming in and asking questions that answers can readily be found in tuts and questions regarding blatant misuse and hacking
2. We all had to start somewhere, I learned a long time ago you have to crawl before you can walk
One thing I learned very quickly here is that there are a lot of well educated and intelligent people here that we can all learn from (even newbs). I've only been here for about an hour or so and have looked through a lot of the threads to see what info is available and am overwhelmed with the intelligence represented by all of you. I am a newbie and have a hunger for knowledge.
I agree with you Showtime in regards to people wanting things handed to them on a silver platter without doing any reasearch or trying to learn on their own.
Happy to be here,
The Grim Reaper
