With the hollidays comming up and the war on terror in full swing, Petition On Line has set up a site where you can send a "Stop the Iraqi war" message to President Bush. Please take a few seconds and go to here and say "Stop."
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With the hollidays comming up and the war on terror in full swing, Petition On Line has set up a site where you can send a "Stop the Iraqi war" message to President Bush. Please take a few seconds and go to here and say "Stop."
Thank you CK...what a Christmas present it would be for our children....
Deb
Yeah, well Deb I but I bet Saddam has a present of his ownfor us and our children. Anthrax for everyone!!
Can you really take that risk?
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Originally posted here by debwalin
Thank you CK...what a Christmas present it would be for our children....
Deb
LOL....Thanks, Deb. Although, I just sarted this thread has a kind of "spoof" of this one.... ;) But still, sign the petition!
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Originally posted by Dr Toker
Anthrax for everyone!!
Wasn't the Anthrax being mailed to people in the US a strain that came from within America itself? I hope you see the irony....
On a side note (& off topic), nice sig Dr Toker. Much better than the "stars" one...
Bet your ass hon...I did, and I know what thread you were spoofing... ;)Quote:
But still, sign the petition!
Hrm.. That sounds like a good idea. Lets leave sadam insane alone so he can build nukes and what not while we just turn our heads and pretend not to notice. Bleh. Take em out.
That may be true, but so is this.Quote:
Originally posted here by Conf1rm3d_K1ll
Wasn't the Anthrax being mailed to people in the US a strain that came from within America itself? I hope you see the irony....
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http://www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-8.htm
The Iraq Biological Weapons Program -- Relevant Facts:
Iraq's Anthrax Surplus: Iraq developed several biological weapons agents, according to UN documents: anthrax, aflatoxin (causes liver cancer), clostridium botulinum toxin, clostridium perfringens spores, ricin, and wheat smut (for destroying crops). In its final report to the Security Council, UNSCOM determined that Iraq had not accounted for 520 kilograms of yeast extract growth medium specifically for anthrax. This amount of growth medium is sufficient for the production of 26,000 liters of anthrax spores -- more than three times the amount that Iraq declared before the UN. Iraq's planned storage capacity for all its biological agents reached 80,000 to 100,000 liters.
Weaponized Anthrax in Iraq: Anthrax spores were not developed for laboratory use alone, but were actually weaponized on a large scale by Iraq. UNSCOM inspectors found traces of anthrax spores in seven warheads from long-range al-Hussein missiles, with a range of 640 kilometers and thus capable of reaching Israel. Around 200 biological aerial bombs were additionally produced. However, according to the UN, Iraq's most effective biological weapons platform was a helicopter-borne aerosol generator that worked like an insecticide disseminator (perhaps this was intended for domestic use or against Iranian troops close to the Iraqi border). The disseminator was successfully field tested. Dispersal research for biological weapons was conducted by the Salman Pak Technical Research Center. Iraq engaged in genetic engineering research in order to produce antibiotic resistant strains of anthrax spores. The success of this research is unknown.
I'm all for negotiations, with people who want to negotiate that is. People like Sadaam Hussein and Adolph Hitler will negotiate only for the purpose of getting what they want. If they can't get it by negotiation they will use force. They will only honestly negotiate when they have no other choice. Look at Sadaam's recent actions. When did he allow inspectors into the country? When it appeared the United Nations was finally getting serious about enforcing the resolutions. I think the correlation between Sadaam's newfound compliance with the UN resolutions and the threat of force is pretty obvious. And I really wonder, if he doesn't have anything to hide, why has he been so reluctant to allow inspections?
I commented in the thread that you are trying to spoof, and i said something about me loosing my father from war. I would have to say stop because i do not want a lot of kids out there to be father-less. I am not posting this for sympathy, I just have to agree with Ck and Deb. We can not afford to go to war, we are putting everybody in danger. If saddam has a biological weapon, he will use it as soon as he is attacked. If it do come down to war i would support this country to the fullest extent. I would rather prefer no war, because a lot fo kid will not be spending their christmas with their fathers, or mothers. That is JMHO, and take it as you would take anyother opinion.
Personally, I don't think Sadaam Hussein is worth one more dead American or Iraqi for that matter. But his actions with his own people show how ruthless he is. At least in the United States we do have free elections. He doesn't seem to trust his own people to vote. Apparently he uses torture as a tool to enforce his power. He has used biological weapons in the past. Is this really the kind of person we're going to trust?
I agree it would be nice to have a world wide peaceful holiday season but since that is not possible, here is what will happen. We will look at the techincalities from the Gulf War, TECHNICALLY, it never ended, and we are still at war with Iraq and we will notice this. So about going to war, don't be afraid, if we do all that will happen is:
1)We will bomb his 'military' bases until there is nothing left, he will never know that our planes were there until it is too late,
2) He will send out his tanks in hope of shooting a few of our soldiers, 3
) He will bury his tanks in the sand like last time,
4) We will fly around at night with heat sensors and blow his tanks up, again like last time,
5) He will recruit every male from age 14 and up to fight for him
6) We will either take them prisoner or blow them all up :(
7) Saddam will surrender AGAIN and we will confiscate all his biological weapons and data reffering to such.
8) We will complete the cycle X number of times until he is dead and somebody with the capacity to complete a logical thought process comes to power.
That is about how it will work, there may be a few minor variations from my prediction but it will not be a big bloodshed(at least not for the UN forces). In the Gulf War how many people died? 100? Not many more than 100, and most all of those were 'training accidents'.
i dont think we will go to war, at least i hope not. i tend to think that there's a good chance the UN is playing good country/bad country with iraq. (although i do think saddam must be stoped,) The UN is saying "come on saddam, listen to us...i don't know how much longer we can hold george back" with george screaming "let me at'em...let me at'em"
but if im wrong, lets do it to win it!
Bush will go after Iraq whether they find anything or not. Bush is a menace and has fractured US relations worldwide. Al Gore, whether you like him or not, summed up Bush and his actions perfectly: Catastrophic.
Bush is willing to wage war for oil. Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest are doing it for Israel.
Well some thoughts will let Bush JR. know just like his daddy I don't like their ways and just cuz daddy didn't do it gives son no right to make his daddy right cause his ways did not make a dent in history go to the outhouse read the sears catalog and get over it. Frankly Sad Man has only been lofted to his position via American Media and DC talking, I say ignore the man the people that live there will deal with their own domestic problems. Not unlike Castro LMAO recall the early 60's don't have to learn about that era :). War is really an easy task lots of bucks and the means to support it. But we are talking 3rd world here, has he the ways and means to do the actual infrastructure to do what he is accused of...get real. Yep 9/11 did happen know why because the US had no ways means to place inside people and the very person that is said to plan that was put into his position by you guessed it the US why, well was back in the Cold War days, so the cave dweller took advantage of of what was offered. This war is being fought for real but are the media releases and DC talking saying anything new, nope a repeat of every goverment generation. US should really hold it's mouth and finger pointing before they learn the very things they have caused. Ok that otta make a few hits happen ..LMAO :) like I place my self worth in greenies or any point system :)
Preacherman: It's not about "trusting" Saddam or not trusting him. It's about not being dragged into a war that is in reality(like it's predecessor) economically based. The Bush's have had a hardon for Saddam ever since senior decided he wasn't his friend anymore. You familiar with the Carlyle group? BTW I'm not picking on you, I respect the fact that you are interested in a diplomatic solution.
mrcoffee12: 100 people? try 100 UN + like 100,000 Iraqis. Not to mention all the dead children from the sanctions Oh, but wait, they aren't people......
Believe me when I say I don't like Saddam any more then any of you. But I REFUSE to let these people play my emotions over 9/11 like a violin. Anyone want the full story on the 1st war w/ Iraq, Desert Storm(cool name) feel free to PM me. War isn't glorious, cool, or fun.
Like the old saying goes:
Follow the money........
Sadam is maybe a dictator, a torturer, an evildoer. But I don't think he plan to attack USA for his pleasure, he only want to keep his power, and play to do this the dangerous game of the real/false negociations . The USA could destroy it easily if they wanted really to do it. But, he's a symbol too usefull to manipulate people and media.
The real war is not in the military side, it's maybe even not in the economic side. I think the real objectives of Bush is to manipulate opinions and some others countries (in the middle east precisely).
I will study this petition, but an american opinion will more than probably not be listened. So, a French opinion...
Man... I really feel 4 u guys, for me it is not so much of a problem. Ya got my vote, the more outsiders also vote the better
To bad we did not get him the first time, a lot of grief would have been avoided.
Just stating the obvious.
I don't think Sadam want's a war....he knows he wouldn't win, and if he was stupid enough to belive that he will win then he would have attacked alread....as far as I can see he is a bit exstentic, but not stupid...
The mitive I can find that the Us WANTS war is that they would benefit from controling the oil.
I think it's a bit hypocritical for the US to Oppose Iraq in building weapons of mass destruction the the US has Nuke's, VX gas, Sarin Gass, and countless biological weapons like Anthrax and small pox....Either way... I don't want a war.....
- Noia
Nobody wanted WWII, either. Or WWI. Or the War of Independence. Or the Civil War, the Boer War, the Napoleonic Wars, the War of 1812... well, you get the point.
Sometimes war is necessary. It is always wrong, but sometimes necessary. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people do do nothing. And I believe it to be necssary should Saddam be found with NBC weapons. He does not have the means to prevent them from being sold or stolen, even if he does not wish to use them. The country is too unstable, and where those weapons might end up after a revolution, and who would have them, is not something I would care to guess at. His having NBC weapons is not a threat solely to the United States. It is a threat to any country on God's Green Earth that might be targeted with those weapons after they go missing.
There is no price too high for our freedom and security. I would kill for it, I would die for it. And God willing, a hundred thousand allied soldiers are willing, too.
First of all, I signed the petition, thanks for the link CK,
To bad the US decided not to get him the first time, all pieces were in place, but the US of A decided not to go into the capital of IRAQ, the oil was safe and the sanctions would (they thought) do the rest..Quote:
Originally posted here by diavikdozer
To bad we did not get him the first time, a lot of grief would have been avoided.
Just stating the obvious.
Sometimes doing nothing is the best option, anything you do will tip the balance in the inevitable way down.. ( anyone seen that futurama eppisode where Bender get's to play god over a civilisation stranded him ?? )Quote:
Originally posted here by Striek
Sometimes war is necessary. It is always wrong, but sometimes necessary. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good people do do nothing.
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There is no price too high for our freedom and security. I would kill for it, I would die for it. And God willing, a hundred thousand allied soldiers are willing, too.
There is no price to high for our freedom and security you say ?? well what about the freedom and security of those thousands (or millions??) of innocent iraquie civilians that will get killed in that war ???
I hate war...and it is not needed in ANY way what so ever!!
Guys,our country is not directly involved on this issue but I personally think sadaam can only be trusted as far as you can see him.I think the television is far enough.Not letting inspectors go over their nuke inventory tells me quite a lot.I sincerely hope that this issue don't get to a war situation,which will only end up harming innocent people.Usually the people in charge of these operations are sitting somewhere safe, where they cannot be touched.
You are in my prayers and God willingly it will be peacefully resolved.
regards
vman:)