Will it ever end??

This was forwarded to me.
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A friendly FYI (please forward to souleman if possible as his name was mentioned too)

I tried an interesting experiment today….I negged six people (all of whom seem to have ties to JRoc) with the same comment…”death to the alliance” and of course got very interesting responses. The people I negged were spyder32, ratman2, 1pizzaluvr4u, ebo, HurrayForSchool, and tedob1. The responses I got were “…” (minimal AP damage), “**** you god damnit” (perhaps a minus 8 or 9), and “Death to YOUR alliance you sick ****, and tell Neg and So [note: this got cut off, but I assume it was.... "Souleman they are next" based on some antipoints I recently got]

Now, I wasn’t aware that we had an alliance, and I’m pretty sure that this probably is news to you also. We may have exchanged information and suspicions, but to my knowledge we have not entered into a point swapping arrangement at any time.

Why these people? As you know, I got to know JRoc a bit before the banning of his JCHosting persona. During that time he admitted to me that he, ratman and tedob were good friends and all live close to each other in New Jersey. He also asked me to keep this a secret (not a good indicator of virtuous character). He also has bragged that he still has major AP “pull” and is responsible for the rise of tedob1 to his current AP status. As for the [note: again this got cut off. It was sent to me in IRC, the original message wasn't forwarded to me, so obviously somehow small parts got removed]

I know that JP just really doesn’t want to hear about this crap, so I figure that talking to him is not an option. However, it might relieve the situation if he were to remove the ‘top ten’ AP list from the main page, OR convert it to a ‘top twenty’ list to get some of the heat off the rest of us. I know you guys are getting the **** negged out of you too, and so is debwalen.

I’m taking a week off and going to the beach, and I have no doubt that by the time I return I’ll be off the top ten list (sigh of relief). If you can think of any other ways we might be able to solve this conundrum, by all means let’s hear your ideas! Seeya in about a week!!
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again, everything above this point was forwarded to me. I am not going to the beach, no matter how much I wish I was.

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The people I negged were spyder32, ratman2, 1pizzaluvr4u, ebo, HurrayForSchool, and tedob1

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Yes, it may be a good idea to take that list off, so the jealous members don't have anyone to target, but what about the newbies who are getting negged, such as myself?
Again, I don't want to sound whiny, but why should me and other newbs be used as a simple expieriment or toy for some high antipoint earner?

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The responses I got were “…” (minimal AP damage), “**** you god damnit” (perhaps a minus 8 or 9), and “Death to YOUR alliance you sick ****,

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How could we neg people if the negs (that I got anyway) didn't include that person's member name?

Next episode:
- Negative and Souleman are being accused of having an antipoint alliance.

Next next episode:
- JP researches some ****, and.....

Ermm.. welp... something like that will happen... just so you know... :/

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Originally posted here by souleman
This was forwarded to me.
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A friendly FYI (please forward to souleman if possible as his name was mentioned too)

I tried an interesting experiment today….I negged six people (all of whom seem to have ties to JRoc) with the same comment…”death to the alliance” and of course got very interesting responses. The people I negged were spyder32, ratman2, 1pizzaluvr4u, ebo, HurrayForSchool, and tedob1. The responses I got were “…” (minimal AP damage), “**** you god damnit” (perhaps a minus 8 or 9), and “Death to YOUR alliance you sick ****, and tell Neg and So [note: this got cut off, but I assume it was.... "Souleman they are next" based on some antipoints I recently got]

Now, I wasn’t aware that we had an alliance, and I’m pretty sure that this probably is news to you also. We may have exchanged information and suspicions, but to my knowledge we have not entered into a point swapping arrangement at any time.

Why these people? As you know, I got to know JRoc a bit before the banning of his JCHosting persona. During that time he admitted to me that he, ratman and tedob were good friends and all live close to each other in New Jersey. He also asked me to keep this a secret (not a good indicator of virtuous character). He also has bragged that he still has major AP “pull” and is responsible for the rise of tedob1 to his current AP status. As for the [note: again this got cut off. It was sent to me in IRC, the original message wasn't forwarded to me, so obviously somehow small parts got removed]

I know that JP just really doesn’t want to hear about this crap, so I figure that talking to him is not an option. However, it might relieve the situation if he were to remove the ‘top ten’ AP list from the main page, OR convert it to a ‘top twenty’ list to get some of the heat off the rest of us. I know you guys are getting the **** negged out of you too, and so is debwalen.

I’m taking a week off and going to the beach, and I have no doubt that by the time I return I’ll be off the top ten list (sigh of relief). If you can think of any other ways we might be able to solve this conundrum, by all means let’s hear your ideas! Seeya in about a week!!

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I'm JCHostingAdmin. I'm sick of people calling someone else (a few people) me. I'm also sorry for alot of things. Before I go on about my past mistakes, let me discuss this topic. First off, I NEVER said that Ratman2 lives in NJ nor have I "brought Tedob1 to the top". That IMHO is a messed up ploy to get people to negg him or some hostility towards him for taking your spot. So, you got quite a few facts messed up. Oh and I dunno but my account doesnt have too much political power.

As for my JCHostingAdmin account, let's discuss that. I must admit, I have made LOADS of mistakes while JCHostingAdmin and did multiple lies to keep me from being banned. I regret that because sadly that's not who I am and AO see's me as someone I'm not: A liar and a Jerk. This is not me, and sadly I turned a dream into an obsession. A message board I wanted respect at was my dream. Soon it turned into an obbsession and that was a downfall. Now, I will indeed tell ANYONME anything they asked me when I was JC and THIS time I will tell the truth. I WANT to do it right this time and I DON'T want to **** it up. No more lies, no more AP bullshit, NOTHING. I know I may be negged to a ban, but I just wanted to get that off my mind and hopefully have a chance to be at AO again with another chance to dio it right. Go ahead, ask me any question(s) you asked me when I was JC and I will be truthful about all of them. I'm hoping that things will change and that some people will be forgiving. Maybe some won't maybe they will.


This can be my last post, or it can be my OFFICIAL first one. It's not up to me, I KNOW I want to change. Thank you for the time and a classical.. -Jason Copeland :)

What did you lie about? And why was it that JP commented that you were lucky you were not on the banned list at one time?

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That IMHO is a messed up ploy to get people to negg him or some hostility towards him for taking your spot.

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Now...I have heard some LAME **** come out of your mouth before Jason...we've been round and round about this several times. But throwing mud on soule.... :rolleyes: That takes the cake bud.

Enjoy your stay.

Deb

ok boys....time for me to chime in

First off, I DO NOT live in NJ I live in CT If anyone wishes to verify this, they can PM me and I'll give you the info you need to do so. Second of all. I did not want, REPEAT DID NOT WANT to get dragged into this BS. I got dragged into this because pizza was getting unjustly BLASTED after coming here with "death to the alliance" and other alliance realated comments when she DID NOT EVEN KNOW what an alliance was. The peson that started this is sick. I have my suspicions as to who it is but I will not say anything on that other than that it is NO ONE that has started or replied to this post thus far. I want this BS to end, now.

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First off, I NEVER said that Ratman2 lives in NJ nor have I "brought Tedob1 to the top". That IMHO is a messed up ploy to get people to negg him or some hostility towards him for taking your spot.

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This entire thing was forwarded to me. I did NOT say that you broght Tedob1 to the top. I did NOT say that you said Ratman2 lives in NJ. And I don't care that Tedob1 took my place in the top10 list. I have't been active much lately while he has, so he probably deserves it more then I do anyway.

interuppting....mmmm is this what is all about(I just know today..sorry for being dummy).... I thought this site is for sharing positive knowledge....

I have to say something because my name was mensioned at the beggining of this thread. Souleman said that all of this was forwarded to him, so i will not sit here and try to say the he wanted to start something. Ratman2 is right, pizza came here to learn, at first she pm'ed me about somebody not liking her because they think she has an alliance. She should not be constantly negged for something that she did not know what it means. Sweet_angel said " That she thought this site is all about sharing positive knowledge." Well it is, all we have to do is just stop this and let everything go. Everybody that was brought into this, go back and do as you used to do before this whole mess. When tedbob1 got to the number 2 spot i was really excited and happy, because he has worked hard, and like Souleman said he deserves it. I was waiting to see the kind of things Souleman will post, so he can try to get his spot back. I was hoping this competition was going to be thread wise. Making good posts and trying to get further, so the other pserson can't catch up. Souleman, enjoy your vacation, i actually like the fact that you posted this and many people got to say what they were afraid to say before (including me). We need to forget about all this accusement of allainces( not saying that anybody is accusing anybody) and keep the traditions of Ao alive. Jp, is going to leave this site to a new person, how would he feel if he saw that he left and all the members of his site lost it? Lets atleast let him leave knowing that the purpose of his site was to share positive knowledge other than accuse and argue about alliances.

Lets just have peace guys.

what is the matter with all of you? .All of this arguing and finger pointing sounds like a bunch of children fighting over a lollipop. Why not start with a clean slate forgive each other and leave all this paranoia on some psychiatrists couch. I came here to this site to learn and have found it to be for the most part not only a learning site but an interesting place to be. I am older than most of you and I should be the one to whine and complain all the time.Why kick each other in the face so much ? Is it something in the air or drinking water.? Imagine how this sounds to new people. I am sure I have made a bunch of enemies by saying this but it sounds so damn petty to someone who is fairly new here like me. Jeez, become more laid back, life is so short for all of us. We are all like flowers who bloom and drift away quickly. I expect to be banned for all of my opinion's I have stated but become a community not a battleground. Auntie

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This was forwarded to me.
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A friendly FYI (please forward to souleman if possible as his name was mentioned too)

I tried an interesting experiment today….I negged six people (all of whom seem to have ties to JRoc) with the same comment…

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We don't know who it was that "tried an interesting experiment", and we don't
know who "forwarded" this info to the person who "forwarded" it to you.
This is a bullshit thread If a newbie had started it, he would be history
Maybe you should just close it.
:cool:

To the person who did not care for my post, I do not know what this is all about I simply stated what it looked like to an outsider(me). Wouldn't it have been a better idea to thrash this out(whatever it is) in a conference room. At least you had the guts to sign your name Auntie

Ao is getting to be a sad place to be... you have newbies who don't take the time to read the FAQ and end up posting the "How do I hack hotmail" threads who get neg'd and rightly so... Other members who think that the only opinion that matters is theirs and they blast anyone who does not think like them or toe their particular line... Folks that are here to learn who don't post a lot of Tech related stuff because they are afraid to ask a question they may have for fear of getting neg'd... Then you have folks that have been on AO and been banned because they screwed up one way or another... I'm for giving anyone a second chance as long as they prove they are worthy of that chance... And it is up to them to prove they have changed by doing the right thing 100% of the time and understanding that it is going to take time for people to trust them again... There are people on AO that have been banned multiple times and they keep comming back just to screw with the people they think "did them wrong"... I have no doubt that aliances exist on AO... That being said who gives a crap about how many little green dots they have??? Big fat whoop... So you have abunch of them and I don't... IMO if you are here to get little green dots and make the top ten then you are here for the wrong reasons... AO is supposed ot be a place where people can come to get help with their question about computers in general and network security in particular... A place where people can "talk" about what is on their mind and get feed back from others within the AO community... Nothing kills the free exchange of information and ideas faster then the fear of reprisal for expressing your opinion... Quite a few people on AO, I have seen, will say what ever they think people want to hear in a post and then PM with an entirely different opinion because they don't want someone to know they disagreed with a particular post... IMO this is not only cowardly but hipocritical... Sometime I think if I see or hear about one more AP assignement that has as a reason **** off ******* or go **** yourself I will scream... You don't like what is said in a post then give a reason why you don't like it... You want to cuss someone out then stand up and PM them to do it... there are times when it is like a damn grade school around here... I came here to learn, help when and where I can, and OPENLY discuss various information and ideas... As a suggestion I think a lot of this AP nonsense could be eliminated if your name was attached to each AP you gave... You take away the ability to hide in the shadows and you can eliminate any AP alliance before it gets started... As well as getting rid of threads like this one...

Just my $.02... Fire away :D

"University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."
- Henry Kissinger

Never have I seen so much egotistical cockfighting over something so trivial as green dots.

auntie> This has been an ongoing thing for months. And a lot of discussion about it in pm's and on IRC. The reason I posted that here, and not in a conference room is that there are people involved in it that no one knew who they were. It's pretty hard to invite people into a private conference room when you don't know what nick they are using now. I wanted to lay it all out on the table. Nothing is getting resolved from the private messages, because no one knows who is behind it.

4MidgetHitmen> I agree with most of your post. Antipoints will not be changed as long as JP is running this site though. It has been discussed many many times, and it isn't going to be changed.

Striek> Its not about green dots... at least not to me. Its about the fact that I get anoyed with my name being thrown around with things I am not involved in. I got dragged into something that I had no knowlede about, and it anoyed me. Since that point, I have been trying to figure out what is going on. A good portion of my posts are tech related. I came here to learn and to help whenever I could. And from that, I get trashed for no reason.

im neither proud nor ashamed to say ive nerver met anyone whos ever been associated with ao in real life. nothing else deserves comment.

I truly hope the person behind this insanity finds help.

maybe i shouldnt comment, but the only solution seems in forgiving the person who did this because if we begin politics here in AO, and especially with no one knowing where the AP's are coming from, it's going to be hell. Whoever did it, must see for himself/herself how much unrest it has caused in between the senior members, well it obviously reflects the websites status, so i guess, should we close the thread ?

THanks to the few that decided to fill me in on what AP Alliances are, I undestand what this is all about now, or at least somewhat. Being negged ever since I joined was not cool, and it was the same types of messages over and over. Then I get the "death to alliance" and "your banned" negs and I'm like WTF! I tried to ask a moderator who inquired about JRoc and alliances between me and others, but ended up negged more(that moderator will remain nameless). I think this is all a load of BS and those involved in trying to get me banned need to grow up. If you feel the need to neg me based on my opinion, so be it. Leave your name and a reason tho.

i guess it's logical to assume that people will eventually exploit something or other to make themselves look better, or others look worse.

personally, i think any little alliances like this are kinda stupid, but whatever. either way, i think Jehnny has some sort of grudge against me. he negged me with a comment of something along the lines of "Hahahahah - jehnny". but it's not like it's that big a deal. i come here to help people where i can, not to make lifelong friends. making friends is just a bonus, i guess.

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Originally posted here by souleman
This was forwarded to me.
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A friendly FYI (please forward to souleman if possible as his name was mentioned too)

I tried an interesting experiment today….I negged six people (all of whom seem to have ties to JRoc) with the same comment…”death to the alliance” and of course got very interesting responses. The people I negged were spyder32, ratman2, 1pizzaluvr4u, ebo, HurrayForSchool, and tedob1. The responses I got were “…” (minimal AP damage), “**** you god damnit” (perhaps a minus 8 or 9), and “Death to YOUR alliance you sick ****, and tell Neg and So [note: this got cut off, but I assume it was.... "Souleman they are next" based on some antipoints I recently got]

Now, I wasn’t aware that we had an alliance, and I’m pretty sure that this probably is news to you also. We may have exchanged information and suspicions, but to my knowledge we have not entered into a point swapping arrangement at any time.

Why these people? As you know, I got to know JRoc a bit before the banning of his JCHosting persona. During that time he admitted to me that he, ratman and tedob were good friends and all live close to each other in New Jersey. He also asked me to keep this a secret (not a good indicator of virtuous character). He also has bragged that he still has major AP “pull” and is responsible for the rise of tedob1 to his current AP status. As for the [note: again this got cut off. It was sent to me in IRC, the original message wasn't forwarded to me, so obviously somehow small parts got removed]

I know that JP just really doesn’t want to hear about this crap, so I figure that talking to him is not an option. However, it might relieve the situation if he were to remove the ‘top ten’ AP list from the main page, OR convert it to a ‘top twenty’ list to get some of the heat off the rest of us. I know you guys are getting the **** negged out of you too, and so is debwalen.

I’m taking a week off and going to the beach, and I have no doubt that by the time I return I’ll be off the top ten list (sigh of relief). If you can think of any other ways we might be able to solve this conundrum, by all means let’s hear your ideas! Seeya in about a week!!
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again, everything above this point was forwarded to me. I am not going to the beach, no matter how much I wish I was.

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Sorry for quoting this again, I didn't understand it last time. The only person I've ever remotely told any form of a secret to and that he backstabbed me was allenb1963. it's clear as day that it was him, and I'm actually pissed off. He is very untrustworthy and it's really upsetting. However, he has made a mistake. I NEVER said Ratman live's in NJ and I NEVER said I "helped get tedob1 to the top" nor have I done that either. That is stupid as hell and annoying. I don't have "ap pull" and that would be another false accusation. Allenb1963: You might have tried a stupid ass experiment by abusing the ap system, but it was pointless and dumb. Also, and people probably will agree, that you tried an experiment and negged people for no reason other than your little experiment. They didn't deserve the neg's and you negged them not just because of the experiment, but because you THOUGHT they had ties to me. I know I did some lame **** and I said some lame ****, but damn..

Oh oh! The Dallas (the serie, not the town) like APs discussions came back.
It sound like some old days, and I'm amazing that APs continue to provocate such reactions.
2 things that everybody should remind:
- All of this is only some 1 and 0 in a computer. So, don't be so excited and irritated.
- "On Internet, nobody know you're a dog". So, don't try to determinate who is who.

Euh, and a third thing also:
- AntiOnline: place to discuss about computer security and knowledge. And not to becoming worst than politicians.

souleman -- the following is not directed at you:

A quick clarification for everyone: AP's are NOT a sign of respect on this board. AP's are nothing more than a visual record of how many times you've evoked a positive or negative emotional response out of people. That's it. And on a board supposedly about technical information, that's not very encouraging. The reason I know this is that I've seen countless threads that go by completely unnoticed by the AP system that contain a wealth of information for the people with questions.

I've all but abandoned the AP system as of late. I've grown tired of the fallout. I highly recommend the same for anyone else who cares to listen. For the newbies who can't ignore it for fear of getting banned until they get a few more positives under their belt, my best advice is to simply ignore the *******s and just post informative threads whenever possible. I'll be watching.

For those few higher-up members who have difficulty letting this crap drop, please stop adding fuel to the fire with hearsay, rumors and gossip. You should be in a safe enough position with your own status to weather any kind of AP storm.

Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker
Ein Viertel Teelöffel Salz
Eine Messerspitze türkisches Haschisch
Ein halbes Pfund Butter
Ein Teelöffel Vanillenzucker
Ein halbes Pfund Mehl
Einhundertfünfzig Gramm gemahlene Nüsse
Ein wenig extra Staubzucker
... und keine Eier
In eine Schüssel geben
Butter einrühren
Gemahlene Nüsse zugeben und
Den Teig verkneten
Augenballgroße Stücke vom Teig formen
Im Staubzucker wälzen und
Sagt die Zauberwörter
Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim
Auf ein gefettetes Backblech legen und
Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und
KEINE EIER
Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und
Keine Eier ..

Stay tuned for our lovely hash-gangsta brownie recipe next week on.... AO cuisine...brought to you by ..trojan man
Now back to the soap opera...

gawd not all this **** again what i would really like to see is proof of these so called AP alliances which has never been present in any AP case it has just been acusations(we have had a few now).Cant we all just grow up and get along ? the majority of us here at AO are adults yet most act like brainless children.We are supposed to be an on-line security community but all the AP have went to people's heads and ego's souleman do you know who originaly sent the PM ? it sems like a pointless rant because of there so called experiment (which was totally wrong to do) to the person who sent souleman this can you provide proof ?.Take a minute to think of what you are acusing people of if 1pizzaluvr4u was in any AP alliance do you think she would have been in the red not so long ago cmon lighten up and lay off.And if ratman2 has been in any AP aliance dont you think he would have moved up a few dots ? he has been at the 8 dot stage for as long as i can remember
and tedob1 has been here for over a year and has obviously made an effort to contribute to the community remember he has been here a year and obviously acumilated a lot more points than most because he has been here longer than a lot of people
and Spyder32 i can honestly say he has hinted to me in PM to give him AP he said something like if people green me i tend to green them this was not long after he joined and i explained to Spyder32 that AP alliances could get you banned and to not bother giving me any AP and ebo pff i dont know how he got so many points prolly cause people aggree with what he says in all the political threads i honestly dont know and hurrafy or school cmon dont you think he would be in the green if he were in any aliance ?

so all in all grow up after all its only dots beside your handle do AP really afect you that much IRL that you feel as if you need to stir up yet more conspiracys all im asking for is proof of the acusations

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personally, i think any little alliances like this are kinda stupid, but whatever. either way, i think Jehnny has some sort of grudge against me. he negged me with a comment of something along the lines of "Hahahahah - jehnny". but it's not like it's that big a deal.

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Eh? I don't know what you're talking about.. perhaps someone signed my name on an AP assignment or something, but it sure wasn't me. So.. uhh.. yeh, don't bring me into this crap bud. Let me be out where I belong.

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Eh? I don't know what you're talking about.. perhaps someone signed my name on an AP assignment or something, but it sure wasn't me. So.. uhh.. yeh, don't bring me into this crap bud. Let me be out where I belong.

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well, then i'm sorry. when i got a comment which was signed under your name, i just went by the assumption that it was, in fact, you. this is just one of those crazy things i do.

i figured you might have a grudge because 1) i thought it was you, 2) the post that got negged wasn't all that stupid, and 3) pretty well the first time i talked to you was with that encryption thing, and we just weren't clear with each other, so i simply believed you were just trying to break someone's encryption.

regardless, i should have figured that you would have been able to come up with something a little more subtle than "Hahahah!!!!! -jehnx (jehnny)!!!" as a comment.

sorry again.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yet another ap "scandle" hehe soap operas are cool <insert catchy theme song> hmm neway

back to the point

well i thought that these "alliances" had gone away for a while not died just layed low cause of the bannings etc

now that jason is back if thats his real name the amount he has lied well we can never know they surface again and he seems to be back at the center of things comman trait their i think

my thoughts on APs they mean nuthing people if you walked into a job interview and they asked what experiance have you had in the it industry well i have 11 dots on antionline they will give u the usual "**** off but in a polite way" email/letter :)

antionline has gone down a lot these days this isnt one of those crappy threads ones this is a antipoint bitch something we the user short of beating the **** outa the people cant do aliances are ruining the true spirit of the ap system its like comunism it can work and if worked properly it would have been a great state to live in but people who are ultimatly evil ruined it if you need a explination of that analogy feel free to PM someone else.

my solution
not to get rid of them but to have 1. a zero tolerance policy
2. further policing with some bigger checks in place not to ban the user but to flag them and JP can monitor them question etc we all know the problem with quads account ;)



thats my gripe for the day

rioter

I tend to draw upon my own impressions of people seen a few people while perhaps still linger in doing bad things time to time were banned to come back and yep still earn points, don't think it was because people sided with them but because enough people make up their own minds when handing out points, if a small group wants to promote their members at some point and enough points their knowledge will run out and the will suffer foot in mouth syndrone. Fact is I don't like some of my points especally where I'm negged about M$ products and "They" want to know what OS I support. I don't bitch about them often find I learn more from why I was negged and the comments made because I have a better understanding of the person that gave the neg then they do of me. Things like what buttons to push if I want to or better put need to use to make a valid point. I never trust anything forwareded to me over the web after all I still get Warbbler and MS IP virus warnings forwarded to me all of them pure and simple hoax's. Is perhaps the frrward yet the true alliance people actually believing it?

Peace