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I found a site called jehad.net that is an islamic anti-american website and the DNS being hosted by a company in NYC. 2 questions.....
1) Do web hosting companies have no morals?
2) Instead of punks breaking into my network......why don't they terrorize the terrorists???? They started it!
Islamic anti-american website? Oh of course, they must be terrorists. Just out of interest, can you read Arabic, cos I sure as hell can't, and I have no idea what they're trying to say. And seriously, there's hardly any content there anyway. Just because it's called jehad.net doesn't mean it's a terrorist website.
you're right, I cannot read arabic but an American flag with a red slash through it generally isn't a bad thing. As I mentioned......For the $10-20/month the DNS company is making, they are basically whores for allowing this and not taking a moral ground and second, instead of script kiddies and bored hackers getting into other mischief, why not productive mischief.....those are my points. If I knew how, it would be done already.
hrms..well all i found was...nothing, but the domain is registered to ahmad ali from kuwait.
some questions though:
1. How do you know its a terrorist site/islamic site/anti-american site when there is NO content on the site (www.jehad.net)?
2. Why do you think it is hosted by someone in NYC? I found that it was registered with an australian comapny by the name of MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE.
okay and now to answer your *smart* questions:
1) web hosting comapnies have something called a terms of service (TOS). If they can prove that you have broken the TOS then they will disallow you to use their service. If however they can not prove anything (lets just say you have no content on your site and someone accuses you of something), then they can not and will not do anything. But to directly answer your question: yes they do have morals, but money keeps them in bussiness.
2) I wouldn't use the word 'punks' breaking into your network. If your a good sysadmin then i might refeer to them as 'crackers'. But then again you might be a bad sysadmin, which means it would be YOUR fault if these so called 'punks' are able to break into your network. And terrorize the terrorists? C'mon an eye for an eye will only make the world go blind. Oh and BTW who really started it?
Okay i don't post much on Antionline anymore due to well...most users who have been with AO for a long time know what has happened. But every now and again i see a post like this and i just can't refrain myself from not replying to 'stupid' and might i say misguided threads like this.
thankyou for listening
:D
well, the site must have been pulled during the night, it was up last night and when I checked the DNS info the nameservers were by a NYC company. The site was obviously anti-American and I am glad they were taken down. I am much happier now. As far as an eye for an eye, I believe that phrase started in the Islam religion when Muhammed allowed and encouraged the killing of non-Islams in the Holy land. I'm not hear to preach any religion or history b/c I am not really tied to one I am happy with. But as far as who started what.....their track record isn't exactly the peaceful religion. The last time someone hit me, I hit them back (but much harder)....he hit the floor spitting out teeth and left me alone. When his brother came by as I was leaving he wanted to continue the fight but didn't as I advised him that I would leave him in the same condition I left his brother. The image of his brother spitting up teeth must have played in his head again b/c he backed down and I left the party untouched.....so, yeah, I think that an eye for eye works. The Japanese are much friendlier towards us now!
OMG!! mman, i was kinda thinking you had a point for a second there and was kinda agreeing with what you said UNTIL you went on a mad rant... Dude!!
errrr... i aint a muslim or anything but i HAVE NEVER heard any sign of their prophet saying such things.. I think you are getting mixed up with Osama, man...and as for "them" starting all the trouble....put down the 'Sys admin guide for dummies' and maybe you should do some reading on the Crusades... i believe it was the europeans who went to free the holy land....Quote:
As far as an eye for an eye, I believe that phrase started in the Islam religion when Muhammed allowed and encouraged the killing of non-Islams in the Holy land.
and as for your example of the 'eye for an eye' party fight....that is one of the most ridiculous examples i have ever read....But i applaud your outstanding ability to liken the worlds largest, and most fearful current day threat to a punch up you had at a party. Bravo!
I wasnt going to write in this form, but your outstanding ignorance and gung-ho attitude towards anything non-american is intolerable. Do some research, dont be afraid of it coz its different, and maybe theres another way to solving a problem rather than opening the gates of hell n killing us all. You associated Islam with violence as well, does that mean i can say all americans are fat bastards coz i saw that guy trying to sue mcdonalds and KFC on the news here?
people like you worry me.......
"eye for an eye" - Leviticus 24:20Quote:
As far as an eye for an eye, I believe that phrase started in the Islam religion
Judaic scriptures buddy... blinding ignorance is always hilariously funny. Islam came a few hundred years later...
<edit> Thanks Wickdgin for the clarification on the origin of this phrase :thumbsup:
eye for an eye is a JEWISH thing. It's known as "judaic law" and as already stated has it's roots in the Old Testement of the Bible.
FWIW Anti-American != Terrorist
I know plenty of people that are anti-american but definately NOT terrorists :p
El Diablo
So let me get this straight...not only are you FOR censorship of the Internet and against free speach, if it isn't something you approve of, your advocating illegal acts of vandalism by American citizens against a foreign entity.
thats the most un-american thing i've ever heard!
I normally do not get into discussions of politics or religion, but thought I would offer up a few comments here.
This is a very important point to remember and in conjunction with that is Muslim != Terrorist ARAB != Terrorist.Quote:
FWIW Anti-American != Terrorist
That being said jehed.net is a web site associated with terrorists. It is registered to ahmad ali in Kuwait and was last known to be hosted by:
Net Depot, Inc.
aka dv2.com
55 Marietta St NW, Suite 1720
Atlanta, GA 30303 USA
The site appears to have gone away today as have several others that were hosted by that same company. You might be suprised to find that there are many web sites linked to terrorists that are hosted in the US, Canada, Austrailia, UK, and on and on.
For example
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DreamHost 5610 S Soto St. Huntington Park CA 90255 hosts a site called http://www.fateh.tv/ which is operated by Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades who are on the US State Deparment list as terrorist that targets Israeli civilians.
Sentex Communications 240 Holiday Inn Drive (Unit D) Cambridge, Ontario, Canada hosts the site http://www.hezb-e-islami.org/ whihc is operated by Hezb-e Islami:The Other Afghan Jihadis who promote Assassination, brutal murders, tortures, death threats.
Alabanza, Inc. 8309 Tinsley Rd. Baltimore, MD 21244 hosts a site called http://www.intiqad.com/ operated by Hizbollah is a terrorist organization listed by the US Dept. of State. Operating out of south Lebanon, Hizbollah is funded by Iran, and serves as proxy army for Syria, conducting frequent attacks against Israelis.This site was recently used to promote the spread of suicide bombing throughout the western world.
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In times like this it is very important to remember the responsabilities that come with our freedom. In the United States our constitutional rights do not apply only when they are convenient for us. If an American company chooses to host a site like this and/or an American operates a site like this that is there constitutional right. We can not try to chip away at our freedoms in order to prevent filth like this from existing or soon we will have no rights left.
What makes you think Net Depot in Atlanta GA can read arabic or know what is on that site. How can you challenge their morals without first ascertaining if they know what is being hosted on their site? Since several terrorist related sites that were hosted there seem to be non-working today I would guess that they either found out or they are having communication issues today.Quote:
Do web hosting companies have no morals?
If you find content like this that is loathsome to you then do something about it. Contact the company and let them know in an intelligent way that you believe they are hosting a terrorist web site.
There are several websites out there that track these types of sites so that people like you and me can write to the ISP's and let them know how we feel about the content they are hosting.
Here is a site to get you started http://haganah.org.il/haganah/index.php which contains current news, history (which is so important), and archives from terrorist sites.
Their database of current known terrorist sites is here:
http://www.weisburd.net/haganah/viewActionable.php Here you will find some of the information I posted above plus much more. Very important on this site are the Do's and Don't list for dealing with sites like this.
You can google for a while and find more sites like this yourself if you are truly interested. Please don't take my freedom away because of terrorism, if you do then they have won!
ok i dont wona go in that discusion but i got a question
.... ok by accident i went to some irc network and iwas idling there for i dono dumb reason and as owner of it comes there talk started he purchsed domain with ilegal cc ... after lil search name on what is it registered doesnot even exsist .... and i do have that credit card because he was talkin he will register it for like 7 years or something so do i have to do something to tell anyone or just to let it go ... because i dono woman owner of a card she might lost few hundred of $ but still any answers?
sorry for spelling mestakes gratez to all :confused:
My company, www.rackshack.net hosts many 'terrorist' related websites supporting jihad and the intifada in Israel. These websites were originally ripped from the plug as soon as they were found. But, the feds decided that we should leave them up for monitoring. And that is why www.jehad.net is still up. We monitor these websites for possible threats to the US.
If we pull them, their just going to move to another URL. So as long as we know where their websites we have a hand up. We know what to monitor.
Someone who kills civilians in the name of Islamic Jihad is a terrorist. VERY SIMPLE.
OMG! I just found another terrorist site! It's hosted in the US as well! What is the world coming too? :D
Dr Toker- In reply to your negs with the "how can u say that" comment, it's very simple. Do a quick search at GooGle with keywords such as "vietnam-civillian-deaths" or something like "CIA-covert-operations-civillian-deaths"....I'm sure you're starting to get the picture. Perhaps you should open your small, christian, brainwashed mind instead of throwing negs around.... :) ...Amen.
ANYONE who kills civilians is a terrorist, not just those who do it in the name of Islam.Quote:
Someone who kills civilians in the name of Islamic Jihad is a terrorist. VERY SIMPLE.
Mman, if you are that threatened by these 'anti-american' websites, then I suggest 1 of 2 things :
1) Go through the proper avenues
http://www.nipc.gov/infosharing/infosharing.htm
The NIPC includes investigators and analysts experienced in
computer crimes and infrastructure protection. It is linked
electronically to the rest of the federal government, including
other warning and operation centers, as well as private sector
Information Sharing and Analysis Centers (ISAC).
https://www.it-isac.org
Email: [email protected]
Phone: (404)236-2880
Fax: (404)236-3255
2) click your heels three times and keep repeating to yourself "there's no place like nazi germany" Maybe you'll be lucky enough to find your way back to the type of country you want to live in.
If you don't agree with what a website promotes, don't go to it. If people were to shut down websites they found offensive in some way, there would be no internet.
You wrote...
I would really appreciate a little elaboration on this, as I'm not exactly sure what you mean by it. Thx.Quote:
This is a very important point to remember and in conjunction with that is Muslim != Terrorist ARAB != Terrorist.
EDIT: Thx Tedob :D
Mahakaal
"!=" is not equal to.
all hes saying is just becaue someone is an arab or a muslim does mean they are a terrorist.
Terrorist web pages are a threat any way you look at it. They simply degrade Americans. And any company associated with them, should have actions taken. And to note, rackshack has terrible services anyways, and now that the place is hosting terrorist web pages, especially under the advice of the feebs, well that just plain blows. Learn to think for yourself, who cares if the pages move to another url, you don't monitor them, you aren't employed by the feebs to monitor these diaper heads with terrorostic intent! Nut up and take the pages down.
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Originally posted here by powertoad5000
"eye for an eye" - Leviticus 24:20
Judaic scriptures buddy... blinding ignorance is always hilariously funny. Islam came a few hundred years later...
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Originally posted here by El Diablo
eye for an eye is a JEWISH thing. It's known as "judaic law" and as already stated has it's roots in the Old Testement of the Bible.
FWIW Anti-American != Terrorist
I know plenty of people that are anti-american but definately NOT terrorists :p
El Diablo
Just to clear this up.Your both right to the extent of the mention of an eye for an eye in the Bible, however this is not it's origin.
It's origins are from ancient Babylonia, circa 1800 BC. An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth - was the basis of the Code of Hammurabi.
To give you some relation, the oldest known text of the Old Testament, dates back to about 600 B.C - 1200 years later.
Waa waa waa... cry me a river Conf1rm3d, I have been a target of so called 'antipoints alliences', every time i turn around I get negged by three people at a time. So, I could really care less about your concern for MY alledged 'abuse' of the antipoint system because i negged you.
First of all, I reserve the right to issue a red neg to any person at anytime if i feel the need to. Maybe its the American in me acting up again, assuming that I have "rights" again. Never the less, I felt your post, compairing the united states government to the Islamic jihad movement was not only slandering, but DEAD wrong.
It breaks down very simply.
America is the most powerfull country in the world.
-Its power is measured by money and technology.
-America is one sided with the Israel conflict.
*you can say its because of religious foundations of judeo-christian in the united states, but so are Israel/Palestine.
-America sticks its nose in the business of warlords trying to starve out a nation.
-America hoards money, and is ACTIVLEY involved in oil.
-Bush is sore, cause dad never got Hussen, and he got away with breaking UN treatys pretty much all through out the clinton administration.
9-11-2001
....
Up to 6000 people died that day, just in New-York. We all watched it LIVE on Tv. Many from our windows. While you sat complacent in the comfort of your living room. We died for things we had nothing to do. The American Citizen has become the frontline infantry for the war on terror. Perhaps once you have had a taste of Islamic jihad against the western world, or simply a place where jews, or americans hangout, then you will think differently.
- Death is bad
*War is hell
-Hell is evil.
-war is evil.
-America fights and wins wars by killing most.
-America is human
*America is evil.
-Islamic jihad groups fight a war by killing.
-Islamis jihad members are humans.
*Islamic jihad groups are evil.
So what do you do? You make an opinion based on as many facts as you can gather, and even twice as many theories. Then, you get the opinions of others around the world. Well for many this is impossible. But thanks to the internet, i get to talk to alot of different people with many different views. Then you take that all to mind, taking in the reliability of the sources of info, and filtering out as much propaganda as possible. Make a decision, and live by it.
I negged you because your comment was slightly more than a elaboration of the wrong doings of the US. They never targeted innocent civilians. And that very well could possibly be an opinion, but to have the US target you, you must have done something to get their attention. What the **** we as people did we do to their people. Not a damn thing. Its in their religion to hate us, and unbelivers. Thats why i dont like bush. Running around saying how islam is all peacefull. R----ight. Keep feading yourself that line of apologetics. Islam is very peacefull up until you read Mohammeds scripture. Ravings of killing jews and fighting them until they are 'pushed into the sea'. I mean scary quotes. Granted their are scriptures in the torah and old testiment of the Israelis fighting and killing many in the region. But thats NOT what the Torah or 'Holy Bible' concluded on. Mohammeds jihad writings were the revelation of Islam, and was supposed to be the 'perfect form of Islam'. As it had been altered before.
America is not this. Thats why you got negged.
at first; i thought it would be a bad idea for me to post here, coz' of - APs i always get coupled with bad names.
why ? coz' i'm MUSLIM & Arabic ... cheers!
feels like a victim sometimes in such threads, but i always find good peeps who understands what they are posting.
but after a scond thought ..... i think u r soooo @#$@#%%^$ to think it this way.
well, for me as a muslim, i would like to clear some points.
- Islam always Resist killing civilians, and Mohammed ( the Prophet ) was ordering muslims in wars not to kill three:
1- women
2- children
3- old peeps.
so, i don't think i would ever believe those who are killing civilians in the name of Islam or god or any other religon.
as for the site , i'll translate a bit for u guys , it says
by the name of God the Merciful
Jehad online
thunders of truth
please enter by clicking here.
" then it says something like " the sound of realisim or pessimism in a idealism or optimism world.
by the way the site is a ( News site ) such as CNN or Al-Jazeerah etc...
it says something eles ( copyrights for all Muslims )
ok, after getting in , the first thing written there is
Happy Eid.
then it talks alot about an Islamic lessons, news, Jerusalem, Jews
all it says about anti-america is the flag with red cross, i think it's their point of view.
it also says alot about Afghanistan and what going there.
i think they'll be translating to an english version in the near future.
AOers. islam is not Terrorist
Anti-American is not Terrorist also.
if someone doesn't like america that won't make him a bad person !!
i think we'v been through this issue alot before.
salam.
edit:
Toker, Although i respect ur point of view, i didn't like ur way of discribing Islam.
well, it's ur point of view, i understand that
if u read the red notice Conf1rmdK1ll wrote down, u won't be posting what u did.
he had a point of view, and u must respect it as we all respect ur's.
anyway, good to hear a free speech and an Honest one, although i didn't like it.... i won't neg u.
peace bro.
hehehe
Doesn't look like much people agree with this guy. I have some points to clear
When i mentioned an eye for an eye will only blind the world, i was referring to what Ganhdi said. You know the indian guy who gained india's independance? :D I never actually knew it was from the bible or anything. :)
Here's a little msg left with a neg point (i wonder who it was from?)
Excuse me? Aussies are too damn liberal? And by that you mean...? Well whatever you mean it is a major generalisation. When people think the way you do, that's when they start destroying society instead of adding to it. What's this about if we got attacked? I thought we all got attacked. (any attack against a free country is an attack against the free world) Oh and incase you haven't watched the news lately, Bali was attacked and MANY australians died there.Quote:
"Oh and BTW who really started it? " Don't even go there. There is no excuse for wholesale slaughter of civilians....... You Aussies are to damn liberal. Maybe if you all got attacked it would be different...........
One last point
Muslim != evil
America != evil
Generalisation = stupidity
stupidity => misunderstanding
misunderstanding results in wars.
Is anyone following me here?
So you are still discussing this matter? hmm
Let us strait up a few things shall we?
what does jehad means? War? Holy war? Terror? no...
Jehad means: to strive in a spiritual way, to work hard, ....something like that, my translation is a bit bad.
The word is given more meaning than it has. Today it is being used in more of religious context.
The afghan freedom fighter under the soviet occupation called itself for mujahedin, they were doing a jehad against their unbelieving occupants.
..or working hard to get rid of the bastards...in our western language.
Intifada is not jehad. It means revolt, mutiny, revolution...something like that. bad trans here, but I lack an English - English dictionary. But it has no religious connection period.
Amongst Palestinian groups there is no agreement of that the intifada is an jihad or not. PLFP does not think it is, but Hamas and Islamic Jehad do of course think it is....
Jehad as we know it in the west, holy war, is armed jehad - jehad al-sayf - jehad of the sword.
But it could be the jehad of the word - jehad al-kalam. Or the jehad of the pen - jehad al-qalan.
Jehad can be practised through hard study, usually islam, be active in the local community and build a good Muslim society, or raise brave sons that can continue to practise jehad
.... work hard in the spiritual way...
This is a short translation of what I found in an article by BJØRN K. BORE
Then to my point, knowledge is power, have knowledge and you will be able to act wise.
Don't you never judge a black man because he is black, or yellow, red, white or green, but judge him for what he is, and to do that you will need knowledge.
I’m not done…soon back with more....
Ain't jahad means war ?
JihadQuote:
Originally posted by blackmask
Ain't jahad means war ?
Then to the next point here while I'm warm....
Anti-American, now I have said it...can never again travel on holydays to the states anymore, the customs will stop me hehe.
There are tons of people all over the world who is anti American....you should ask why. The people I talk about now, is people that have a political negative view on American domestic/foreign policies. No hostile tensions or criminal supporters here.
Some of you said that America is big and powerful, and I agree, both in a positive and an negative way. Let me do an example: Norway needs new fighter
planes, today there are two choices. American F-35, and EuroFighter 2000...two very good planes. The Norwegian parliament supports the EF2000 more, because of a bad history with Lockheed ( can explain later ) Well, but the government got this message. ”You buy our F-35 planes or the Norwegian - American relationship will be in danger" That’s the American message they got.
When America put an import toll on steel by 30% and force a 2000 man factory that produce steel to close, don't you think that makes people angry? What would happen if we tried to put 30% on steel? America would be pissed of.....and probably force us to lift the toll because they can so...well...don't you think people have the right to express their negative feelings about the situation? I do. If your president raises the tax, wouldn’t you want to express your negative feelings about that without being called for a traitor, un-patriot, terrorist lover? wouldn't you? I think I have the right to criticise America when they tries to force my government to accept American planes and rises the toll on steel, and an Saudi has the right to criticise America when there is an American 1000 man strong military base in Saudi against their will.
Anti American, is the wrong word to use here don’t you think? 90% of the people in Norway have strong negative views on raising the tax in the country, 90% of the people in the world have negative views on foreign American policies? They are not supporters of criminal actions just because the views are negative, they have views for god sake and are entitled to have so and express them. We should all be able to express our feelings in every matter, positive and negative, political, religious and other stuff. It takes great knowledge and maturity to be able to receive negative criticism and act wisely upon the information you get, I’m not good at that, but hell, I do try. Most people don’t like criticism, fair enough, but that doesn’t relieve them from the duty to listen when they have done something wrong? Don’t you think? All of you?
So think when you hear, or want to use the word anti-american…what does it mean…
Knowledge
I’m still not done…more to come…. I’ll deal with the views on those f*** terrorists
Don't forget alneda.com a VH under thewetlands.com.
I want to ask sth a bit out of this topic... In the bottom of the site it says ©1423-2002. Does jehad (not the site) exists from 1423, if yes then i think that mman has a bit right.
LOL ...Quote:
Originally posted here by ii-monk
I want to ask sth a bit out of this topic... In the bottom of the site it says ©1423-2002. Does jehad (not the site) exists from 1423, if yes then i think that mman has a bit right.
1423 = this is the year reference to Islamic calender ( Hijri )
2002 = this is the year reference to is the georgean calender " if that how u name it "
so 1423 = 2002
and 1424 = 2003
and so on ..
Look, If you really have a problem with anti americans then do what I do. Join a Branch (I'm Army) and get over here,(I'm in Kuwait right now) and do something about it
I just have a comment on a post by someone. They said that they dont speek arabic so they couldnt tell if the site was anti-american or not.
Well Yes i think the flag with the universal no sign threw it ias well as the banner of Osamma Bin Laden is a pretty good idea that it is
A friend and colleague of my was killed in the pentagon while I was asleep two miles away. It upsets me, but not to the point where I wish to limit the freedoms for which I fought or remove one of the most obvious and unfettered sources of intelligence that may provide our government with the information that would prevent another act of inhumanity and keep thousands of families from having to endure a personal tragedy.
And mman, grow up. "Productive mischief" will do nothing but cause them to stop posting any information that may be useful to various intelligence agencies.
While you sleep thousands of Americans are working to protect you. Have a little faith.
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Originally posted here by Dr Toker
Waa waa waa... cry me a river Conf1rm3d, I have been a target of so called 'antipoints alliences', every time i turn around I get negged by three people at a time.
Perhaps it's the quality of your posts rather than any "antipoint alliance" that results in you getting negged by "three people at a time". From what I've seen so far that would stand to be more correct. Your small minded, Texan RedNeck attitude really comes through in your posts.
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Originally posted here by Dr Toker
- Death is bad
*War is hell
-Hell is evil.
-war is evil.
-America fights and wins wars by killing most.
-America is human
*America is evil.
-Islamic jihad groups fight a war by killing.
-Islamis jihad members are humans.
*Islamic jihad groups are evil.
??? LOL... :D .. How very profound.
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Originally posted here by Dr Toker
So what do you do? You make an opinion based on as many facts as you can gather, and even twice as many theories. Then, you get the opinions of others around the world. Well for many this is impossible. But thanks to the internet, i get to talk to alot of different people with many different views. Then you take that all to mind, taking in the reliability of the sources of info, and filtering out as much propaganda as possible. Make a decision, and live by it.
That's exactly what I have done. And after doing all that I feel that I can accuse the United States of acts of terrorism just as I can accuse the Islamic extremists. It's a two way street. ;)
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Originally posted here by Dr Toker
Its in their religion to hate us, and unbelivers. Thats why i dont like bush. Running around saying how islam is all peacefull. R----ight. Keep feading yourself that line of apologetics. Islam is very peacefull up until you read Mohammeds scripture. Ravings of killing jews and fighting them until they are 'pushed into the sea'. I mean scary quotes. Granted their are scriptures in the torah and old testiment of the Israelis fighting and killing many in the region. But thats NOT what the Torah or 'Holy Bible' concluded on. Mohammeds jihad writings were the revelation of Islam, and was supposed to be the 'perfect form of Islam'. As it had been altered before.
Oh no! A religous rant. Not to mention a gross generalisation of a religon. Where did you study the Koran? It appears to me that your interpretations are coming directly from the mouth of some Texan Evangalist...."Send me money, hate and mis quote other religions and support the death penalty.....or y'all gonna burn in hell!" LOL... :D
I remeber that we've "locked horns" on a previous thread. I also remember that I came to the conclusion that debating with a "drug smoking Chrisitian" is just as hypocritical as most of your arguments. Welcome to my ignore list......
Mman, you need some help, I am sorry but do you think a terroist group or any big anti-Americans will post enything important there? Many people do that, they are just jealous, and no matter how many times they put a slash in our flag, we are still better, and we will be victorious in the end. I can't read what they are writing, and neither can most people here, and you also. Like they say, "What you don't know, can't hurt you." -Ebo