Hacker Documentary

Yesterday i saw on the TLC channel a 2 documentarys on hackers The first one Hackers:Outlaws and Angels showed the differences between white hat and black hat they had guys from security teams and people who were hired by companys to hack other companies. They had one guy who called himself a white hat but then showed him social engineering a guy at a competive company. But also showed examples of hack attacks like how 2 teenagers in London hacked the pentagon computers for information on the stealth bombers just because the were curious. goto the site linked above to find out re-airing dates if you want

The next show was Hackers:outlaws it sohwed the evolution of hacking from 3 guys point of view first part was with the phone phreaker "Captain Crunch"(John Draper) showing how phone preaking was fun and lead up to hacking. THen Steve Wozniak showed that in the early days of PCs people could coem together in a club (like the homebrew computer club) and discuss computers which lead up to him producing APPLE computers the link is here
I just thought u might wanna know its pretty interesting actually.

I thought Outlaws and Angels was very well done with the exception of a few standard stereotypes. The second show was not on when I watched Wednesday evening I will have to check to see when it is on again.

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They had one guy who called himself a white hat but then showed him social engineering a guy at a competive company.

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He was hired by that company to test their security. Very good demonstration about how easy it can sometimes be to SE someone. We make sure that ALL of our users know that IT will NEVER ask them for their password and if someone does ask, get a number to call them back if possible, hang up and call the help desk to let us know.

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Originally posted by Higher Talshiar
The next show was Hackersutlaws it sohwed the evolution of hacking from 3 guys point of view first part was with the phone phreaker "Captain Crunch" showing how phone preaking was fun and lead up to hacking.

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John Draper aka Captian Crunch <-- AO-member ;)

Whoa! i never knew that lol, thanks Negative

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I will have to check to see when it is on again.

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The site for this show is here.

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WORLD PREMIERE
Wed, Dec. 11
10 p.m. and 1 a.m. ET/PT


OTHER AIRDATES
Fri, Dec. 13
8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET/PT

Sun, Dec. 15
4 p.m. ET/PT

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I seen that show with my wife. She called me in the room cause it was on.

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Originally posted here by Negative


John Draper aka Captian Crunch <-- AO-member ;)

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What's up witht he dude's member status? Did JP give that to him as a joke or something? Odd, I've seen many Zero-Cool's and AcidBurn's in my time, that it get's ridiculous. Hell, I've seen Phiber Optix's and I've even seen Kevin Mitnick ;).

He's the real deal, Spyder32; that's why JP gave him his own custom title. And as you know, only JP, his mom, moderators and John Draper have one...

:o I THOUGHT THAT BOTH OF THE SHOWS WERE VERY INTERESTRING... I WISH THE WOULD DO MORE TO LET THE PUBLIC INON THE FACT THAT NOT ALL HACKERS ARE BAD.... LIKE THE TV SHOW SAID.... HACKERS USED TO BE SOME ONE WHO SAT DOWN AT THERE COMPUTER TRYING TO MAKE THERE PROGRAM ABSOULTLY PERFECT............ :p

Wow! Thanks for the tip on the show. I will be sure to catch it tomorrow at 4pm!

Yea , ive seen lots of acid burns , crash overrides and your occasional kevin mitnicks , but i never came across a captain crunch.He must be the real thing then if you ask me.
-N

I was actually watching the last episode of TAKEN when I switched to TLC, and "There I was".. It kinda blew me away... I never get advanced notice of this, but n01100110 alerted me about this forum.

It's been a long time since I got on here, but I suppose I should let you all know about my NEXT act. If you hate spammers and spam mail, you'll love my NEXT program. It's a kind of "spam management" system. I'm prolly going to put it on SourceForge through the SpamBayes project, in that is uses a lot of the work being done there.

I'm getting better then expected results in the Identification of spam, like it takes about 2 weeks to train it, and it gets it right about 95% of the time. As spammers adapt, so does the program. And here's the real sweet part... Once spam is "filtered out", there is a lot of things you can do with it. Like report to spamcop, FTC, track the spammer, using a really cool tracking system like whats in the Crunchbox. It follows up the path the mail takes, keeps records of all the ISP's they use, builds up the "goods" on them (spammers), and files reports on them. What you do with that information is up to you, but because it follows the "money trail", it's pretty precise in locating them.

I'll be in Cambridge, Ma in Jan to give talk on it. If anyone is in the area, I wouldn't miss it if I were you. And Oh yea, it can really be a great tool to nail PORN *******s also.

I'm thinking of setting up a really secure Email system and make it available. It's a pay service, but priced reasonably. Web based or POP based. Use it with your existing POP server through Proxy system, or WEB based access. SSL connection to the server for security and privacy, as well as virus filtering. I would like to get some feedback on whether or not this might be something soneone might want to have, and what I should charge with it. Payment would be by check or PayPal. Like "Webcrunchers" web hosting, it's going to be limited to a certain number of users so performance will not be degraded.

Crunchman

Kewl beans cant wait to check it out! Thanks for the info , heck idda missed all of the showings had I not seen this , so thanks again. you guys are great.

I'm having a hard time getting into Antionline, so if you guys want a faster response, you can Email me directly at [email protected] - I'm not concerned about every spammer that spams me, NOT ANY MORE

I haven't even finished editing this, and the page is still loading. What kind of connection does this site have? I guess it's rather busy or something.

I'll try to come in later to read the rest of your posts, but YES, this IS the real Cap'n...

Crunchman

Ya, I saw that show. I was actually interested in the guy that drove the corvetter entitled "Hakrwar."(i think) The way he programed the GPS, program, and antenna was quite an invention. I do however find it a bit discouraging knowing our capital is that, how should i say it, 'unprotected against rival computational warfare.' I'm just wondering if any of you have some wise thoughts on this topic.

You would be amazed... Even today, there are so many unprotected WiFi hubs it's insane. Just a few years ago, I could sit at the corner of Market and 3rd st in SF and hit about 20 WiFi nodes, and one node had about 20 Macs that were totally open. I could get total access to all the files on 20 macs on that nwtwork. Me thinks it was a Multi-media company, it had source code, and a lot of other seemingly sensitive files. Now, people are getting a clue and at least putting passwords on their hubs...

At heathrow in London, it's FULL of Open WiFi hubs, just the place to get online and check your mail while waiting for a connecting flight.

Berlin CCC (Chaos Computer Club) had WiFi in all the popular parks, all free and open to the public. A password is required, but if you know just ONE member of the CCC, they'll give it to you.

Crunch

In Amsterdam where I work it's even worse..

So many companies and even government offices keep their WiFi's open to the public.. And the worse thing is.. most WIFI AP's give out their "administrator" password by a simple tftp request http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=236143

I've walked into a GAK ( they have to do with pay for disabled ppl etc.. ) office, asked for the sysadmin and asked him how his wife ... removed for network safety was.. ( turned out to be his doughter but he got the point ) showed him how I did it (on the spot) and he asked me how to fix it..

Now there came the tricky part.. there is just no way securing WiFi with todays hardware..

the only "safe" thing to do is use WiFi for wireless internet and have a firewall on all sides, sending and reseiving..

www.Beverwijk-Wireless.com/forum

yah I saw the second one, Outlaws, and it just humbled me. I've been in this business for years, and now I live in Berkeley. Well after watching the segment with Wozniak and then just thinking about all the development and advancement that has come from this place I realized I have so much more to learn and so much more to do. I mean, BSD, UNIX, and Apple to name a few have pretty much origninated from here.

Oh and to see the John Draper is in Stockton, wow. That's not far from here at all... sheesh, I feel like a complete and utter newbie lol. And then to see that he's been near and around the area that I work at, I just think it would be the coolest to run in to him in downtown SF one day while he's scanning WiFi :D

anyway, overall I like the Outlaws documentary. It reminded me as to the reason I got in to this business in the first place, and has perhaps reinvigorated me to this "industry".



El Diablo

I just wish people would have some freak'n common sense!

El Diablo - shoot me some private Email if you like, since we are so close. I sometimes go to UNIX user group meetings, and plan to make it to macWorld coming up in SF. Perhaps we can hook up.

The documentary was a good one, I enjoyed many parts of it. As I watched, I actually learned a bit of Hacker History that I didn't know, and learned quite abit about the way they track the hackers at the big name security companies. The wardriving part was interesting, especially how he was driving by Capitol Hill and found many of them open.

As for the Cambridge seminar/talk, is there any way I can recieve information about the time and location? I'd love to attend it, but I don't know how to obtain information from it. I hope I can go, and any details would be appreiciated. Thanks in advance

did anyone happen to tape this?

Spyder32 - Go to "spamconference.org" for details on the spam conference.