Probably get banned for this one.......

Like i said if your a "JP fan" your going to probably get me banned for writing this but anyway, today i was in thechat room, and JP was also there. I PMed him and asked him if he would talk with me if he was free. he kicks me out from the chat room and says quote "Please do not PM me with your stupid and ignorant questions, kindly go XXXX yourself with a steel brush!" i was logged in as a guest and when i went to the chat room i changed my name to knoledgesponge. the whole point between trying to get him to speak with me is because like many of you know im interested in this negation vs. JP thing and i wanted to ask him for his side, mainly because ive only heard what other AO members have said about the situation and ive heard what negation has had to say and i wanted to know what JP had to say since all of the allegations that negation made were against him. I was just trying to hear more than one side of an arguement, and what does kind loving, mentoring JP, mediator between the "computer underground" and uncle sam say? "go XXXX yourself with a steel brush!" I sure hope AO gets sold to a nicer admin than JP. I must say, i have nothing against AO just JP.

this springs to mind...

Oh for **** sakes man, why do you people continually whine and bitch about JP?? he starts a FREE site for people to come share ideas and info and you all bitch and nag that "sometimes the icons dont load" or "i cant find a journal" if you have that big of a problem with it, buy the site and ****in fix it man, and as for you trying to be up his ass asking questions like that...dude think about it, how many people do you think ask that a day? hell man if i asked you why people dont like you every damn day of your life when you just wanna talk to people and i was hanging around asking questions that are posted here almost daily now, did you really think he was going to sit down and be like " Hey even though this is posted every damn day and even though iv put up with it 56 times already sure ill respond to you to" **** man if you did that to me i wouldv banned you from the annoyances already, he doesnt owe you an explanation for anything, if anything we owe him for not charging us a damn thing to come here and hang out all the time. and, you have a problem with him but not the site....? man he created it, he doesnt charge for it, so quit whining and take the thought out of your head, man im sure if you were the very first to ask him he might have talked to you but this has gone on for how long now? that does get annoying and then you make a post on the site he lets you log into FREELY and bitch about him? talk about ungrateful man ****.

/vent.

now that im not so XXXXed off and i can think moe clearly, im sorry if your some of JPs friends, i just wrote this to express how i feel, because ive been trying to talk with him for a while and the first thing he does to me is bans me and then he insults my intellegence and totally destroys any good kind of first impressions, ive heard lots of good things about JP, but why this? why act like an ******* to a guy youve never seen before, never spoken with before?why? I love AO but i dont know about JP.

i understand tht JP must be really busy and i appreciate his giving us a free site and all but why not be a little bit more courteous about it? why not just say if its a question about negation, i dont want to talk about that right now, or say ill talk with you later?

Well you've got a point there. But then again, what was the point of this thread? To ask the whole community who actively participates in something JP created their opinion about him? Because so many people whine about different things and in this case people here on AO. If you really want a clean resolution, try talking it up with someone who has a friendly relationship with JP, and have them kindly ask him about the incident. You know JP, he was probably having a rough day or something of that sort. Well, I hope you find a peaceful end to all this.


Regards,
Silentstalker

This is mostly in responce to gore's post. I don't want to start a flame war or anything, I just want to point something out. yeah, he's scultped this awesome site for us to use for free. For that we thank him and show him respect. Yes, he does get plagued with questions that he (and most of us would) deem annoying. I would just think that it is odd, to say that the members are being a pain in the bum and then not show common civility to a quesiton. That is what this site is about: Questions. Yes: he shouldn't have asked, no: it wasn't entirely wrong of him to get pissed off. Yes: he was a little hypocritical.

We all get irritated, we all are hypocrites in our own right, but c'mon. Let's be nice.
(This was not intended to have bias to any side! Just looking to shed some light on the situation from both points of view. don't hate. spread the luv.)

well the point of this thread was to ask JP a question, i dont think JP should be able to get out making his own excuses just because he owns this site, i respect JP as far as I know he is MUCH more knowledgeable about everything than me, but i just want to hear what he has to say concerning this. Im just tired of one of his bodygaurds always talking for him, he seeemed in a good mood in the chat room, thats why i asked if he would speak with me, i didnt demand it, i didnt even say anything other than ask him if he would talk with me if he was free.

somebody negged me and said the reason i got banned was because of the way i asked the question, i was just wondering how could that be true? i asked in a perfectly polite manner,didnt say anything innapropiate, just asked if he would talk with me if he was free, now i dont see anything wrong with that do any of you?

Hey im not goin for a fLAME war either man, i just had to vent from seeing posts like this so much, it just seems so disrespectful to me that someone would say they dont like JP and use this site, not going for making anyone mad just want people to realise thats really rude to say stuff like that in MO.

i can agree with you there gore! people often flame JP for no good reason, but i feel that i have a good reason. flaming JP because they feel the site isnt adequate is bullpoop (im not referring to tcurrisur's post, i think he was just trying to reveal a problem).

I agree dude. This post itself has gone on too long already in my opinion. I'm looking for the dangling purple to show his face and end it. Kudos to (V)/\>< pic though. That was sweet. adeu.

Heh, the reason I took a break from AO (4 day break or something like that, yes it was hard) was mostly because of a few threads that were being posted that had no purpose or was nothing but a whine of some sort. These JP threads kinda get annoying IMO because it's as simple as this: Any choice he makes, is his choice. It's his *****ing site, his choice to do whatever is his. Forget causing any drama with a decision reguarding the site and just continue sharing and spreading information about Computer Security. That's JMHO, so take it for what it's worth.

I haven't had any problems with JP. He's respected me and I've shared that respect with him. It's perfectly plausible that a missunderstanding was made between you and him, and that it could be worked out. I think you should have PM'd him through the AO system instead of making yet another anti-JP thread. Things like this should be settled in private.

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I haven't had any problems with JP. He's respected me and I've shared that respect with him. It's perfectly plausible that a missunderstanding was made between you and him, and that it could be worked out. I think you should have PM'd him through the AO system instead of making yet another anti-JP thread. Things like this should be settled in private.

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Yeah, I'll agree. I've never personally talked to him through a chat or IM thing (a few emails was all) and I find him to be a respectable kind of guy. Personally, I'd start a "pro-JP" thread, but it might add to the crap and might be seen as ass-kissing. However, I am appreciative of the website he brings to us and the learning I am able to have because of him and AntiOnline. To those that are "against" JP: like imaginedsanity said, do it in private. Cluttering up the forums is kinda pathetic.

this is the only prob ive had with JP, at first i thought it was a misunderstanding also but everytime i would try to talk with him about it he would kick me out, this last time he banned me.so i dont know i would like to get to know JP and become friends, but i dont think hes up to that. so i just say whatever for now, im just going to ignore him unless he wants to apologize or explain himself.

knoledgesponge, when you (or anybody else) bugs JP or anybody else that does not wanna be bugged, chances are they will tell you about it. I personally never had a serious problem with JP, and the times he's been in IRC he's been alright. The best way to explain my feelings towards JP is pretty much neutral.

My best advice is to leave it alone.

Other than that, good luck.

albn

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this is the only prob ive had with JP, at first i thought it was a misunderstanding also but everytime i would try to talk with him about it he would kick me out, this last time he banned me.so i dont know i would like to get to know JP and become friends, but i dont think hes up to that. so i just say whatever for now, im just going to ignore him unless he wants to apologize or explain himself.

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Lets see....theres in excess of 100,000 members of AO (yeah, lots are inactive or dual identities) and 1440 minutes in a day. Given that JP does not sleep, eats in front of the computer, takes a laptop with him when he goes to take a dump, he can then spend 0.0144 seconds of quality time each day with all of his "friends". Would YOU be up for that?

The point is that we all can't be "friends" with JP....nobody (with the possible exception of politicians) can be friends with that many people. And to be honest with you, JP's relationship with anyone or any organization is his business...not yours, not mine. "Hey man, whats up with you and so-and-so" is a PERSONAL question...pure and simple.

Just out of curiosity, how many times do you have to get kicked for asking a question before you figure out that you're asking a question that will get you kicked? Seems to me that the first time should have gotten the message across.

As for the apology...why should he apologize to you? You asked him a personal question (repeatedly) that was none of your business. So maybe you might want to consider making an apology yourself.

dont take it personal dude, in allot of irc servers if you pm the admins, its usually an instant ban, they got more things to do that chat. advice is if you could ask someone else (like an +o(@)) and tell them what u need, or if jp is chatting ask him in the main room if he would mind if you pmed him, he was prolly busy when u did it, thats how u got abuse.....least u wernt banned from irc...instantly (which i have seen many times on other networks) readup a Irc nettiqueite.

and jp works hard on AO, he can do without ppl`s pm windows popping up all over the place

Preep

ITs kinda like when celebrities attack..... everyone hangs for the moment they loose the plot, but cant be arsed with them when they are nice n charming......

JP has always been rude.... read the mailbags!! some funny **** there.... but i feel he kinda has a right to be rude.... so many HaXors have pissed over him for this website over the years... and i would like to remind you all, we are playing in his back yard after all ...

Knowledgesponge: well, if i had to believe u in what u say.

i believe that JP is wrong.
even if u r a busy man, or a big shot or something,
even if u own this site , and we use it for free.

respect is respect, nothing more , nothing less.
that's one of the reason we come to this site, in addition to knowdege ( it's a nice and friendly place to stay in )

i.e. if u was surfen a site and u did like it, but the owner keeps insulting u, you would leave the site ! ( so respect is something important , no it's a must )

Knowledgesponge, asked JP if he is free, nothing big deal about it !!

how about a simple answer (((( NO )))) , uh, it would take lots of time typing ( NO ) ?

this is retarded

Well all I can say is there is a very old way in IRC, and considering JP has been around since the days when there were manners out here. In short you never PM anyone without first asking permission at least that is how it used to be on IRC. I'd say JP took your not asking permission to PM him as rude. Just because he is in IRC means he answers PM's from people he has no idea of who they are or what thay are about. I'd say at least find out some of the basic rules for PM's

Honestly, and this is a hard fact to learn in life. Nobody owes you anything, they don't owe you kindness, they don't owe you a conversation, nor an explanation. Just because this is JP's site does not obligate him to have to want to talk to just anyone. He can do what he wants to do.

If I PM someone on IRC and get banned for it, my next best option when I can login again is to not PM that person again. It's simple logic, if it hurts when you touch it, stop touching it...then it won't hurt.

Just get over it.

Sorry folks...I just gotta get this out...

from the AP center...

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Let's see....shut the **** up man. Do you think ur respected or some all-knowing god? your about as respected as the dumbass who posted and/or knowledgesponge. damn, stop acting like ur smarter than you are. honestly

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No ....I think I'm the same as anyone else here. If you don't like what I have to say, then put me on your ignore list and quit reading my posts. If you don't like my opinion, be man enough to say it to my face in a thread instead of being a coward and doing it through the AP system like you've been doing for the past few months. Don't worry though, I'm not holding my breath....I've already figured out that you don't have the courage or depth of character to do something as honorable as that. Grow up and get a life, LAMER.