Judge orders ISPs to trace online pirates...

Guys,

Is this a good news for you???, each of you will decide then...

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Internet providers must agree to requests by the music industry to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates' risk of being caught. The decision by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates upheld the recording industry's power under a 1998 law to compel Internet providers to identify customers that illegally trade music or movies online...

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Bye.

DKRR

In that case a lot of people willl be traced, and locked up. People therse days do not believe in buying music anymore. I do buy cd's but only the cd's of those artist that i like, i buy it so they can get their money. Bu ti fi wanted to hear a song just because somebody recommended it, i wont go buy the cd. I will like to see how this ends up. Good post DkRR.:)

yeah im anxious to see how the general poulation will react when the man comes to take away they sons and daughters because the recording industry demands it. will see how much of a good idea they think it is when it starts hitting home.

Are you serious?!

Half the people that do download music are under 17..are they going to lock them all up?
Probably make us pay a hefty fine.

I download music and I still buy CD's. How do you think I know what to go buy? People aren't going to go spend a weeks worth of work (under 17) on a CD they MIGHT like.

That's what they get for charging 20 dollars per CD...

Is the judge's name really John D. Bates... as in John Debates... What a name for a judge....

In my opinion, music piracy, of course is frowned upon and illegal and all that happy horse ****... But any artist that would complain about it is stupid, it for one, get's their name out to virutally anyone... And second, artists don't get even a fraction as much money from record deals as they do when they sell out a stadium of seats at 50 bucks a pop....

It'a all the labels that are pressing this ****... If I was an artist i would put my music on the internet just to get my name out, and leave it that way.... I mean, have any of you gone to concerts of your favorite bands? Which do you like more? concerts or listening to the cd's......

Should this be allowed I don't think it will do much damage to the populice that downloads free mp3s of the web, because they cannot target each and every person. There are thousands, probably even millions, of people who download these mp3s. They would have to lock up nearly the entire USA if they passed something of this nature.
Plus as FamStars&Straps said, most of the people are under 17. They aren't going to throw thousands of minors away because they downloaded mp3s. I doubt that this will be passed, and if it is then it wont be put into effect like the recording industries would like.

Some people may say that pirateing music is part of there freedom of public shareing and some may say that it is stealing but when you think about it everything on the internet is the product of someone else and just viewing a web page created from the mind of someone else is the same as hearing music made by someone else, we dont pay for the radio, nor do we pay to read information online,,,,,just something to think about.

Guys,

I have a doubt, we all know there are many bands and musicians that have allowed people to download their music or mp3s legally to hear them and maybe then buy the CDs, so how will this judge or the ISPs do to know if the people is downloading illegal or legal music???

Bye.

DKRR

I just think its another one of those decisions that people will pay no attention to. I am sorry but i dont want to sound like a law breaker, but i am downloading the song " In Tha Club" by 50Cent right now. I don't get the decision and i dont like it, well they can come get me and charge me with 50 fraudery.:).

In Reply to Darks comment on how they would be able to find out who is who,, i would imagine they would have to search for users with programs such as kazoo and winmx and other share progs like these

LOL. This is a great thread DkRr. Thanks! My opinion is that people will not change their ways (maybe a SMALL % of them will.) But i think it will become one of those laws like using a turn signal. No one enforces it! (There is also a national law about having 1 head light burnt out?!? Weird huh?) The ISP's may start blocking ports, but if i was subscribed to one of those isp's, i would probably just stop my subscription! Some files you can stream. SOME. But it is a bore and people with dial up (atleast when i had it 2months ago) never streamed..... I download songs i like that are the only ones on that CD that are any good.... I even buy cd's: (most recent is Pink Floyd, b/c i lost my album) because the whole album is good! Id say downloading is used for testing, like a "tryal" period. And also what about music and movie sharing like in packets with IRC? I use that a lot to see a movie that i want 2 try out, before buying! How are they going to track those? Just wondering -P. (It's very hard to block all ports that are used for dling music) Just a thought :)
-Spyda

PS - (i am in the age range Midridth was talking about)

Just trying to imagine a small (or large, it's all relative) ISP trying to conduct his daily business, take help calls from his clients, tell a dozen people nicely they need to learn how to code their own websites because he doesn't have time to do it for them, take calls from people 'thinking' about subscribing to his service...... you get the idea.... and having some judge tell him to track anyone who maybe was downloading music during the year. I can imagine he would just disk-off the logs and give it to the music-dudes or send the court a disk, as the order demanded. That way, he could not be had for contempt of court, and the music-dudes could sort out the log data themselves instead of trying to turn the ISP personnel into their free help, 'cause they are the ones who would have to sign the complaint anyway.
I don't download music, but i do get called to jury duty on occasion, and the music dudes would have to really have their $#1t together to convince me they could track johnny's fingers from his 'puter thru his ISP through the (probably) two-dozen tracert hops to the music they were b1tching about, and then prove he downloaded any. Even if he had it on his harddrive, they would have to prove it came from a downloaded site in a pirate fashion. Besides, even if the judge did issue a warrant, the Sheriff would have to serve it, and that may be another matter of discussion altogether... Sheriffs having a natural aversion to super-dudes with briefcases coming from out of state and trying to tell them what to do.... And, don't forget, the Sheriff is the senior law-enforcement officer in the county, without question. I can just imagine some dude from Nashville showing up and telling the Sheriff what to do, especially to one of his juvenile citizens....
....................SLAMMER TIME!...................................
I think they are all full of $#1t.

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Originally posted here by Midridth
Plus as FamStars&Straps said, most of the people are under 17. They aren't going to throw thousands of minors away because they downloaded mp3s. [/B]

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But they could threaten to revoke their license's.... That's what they're doing here in florida when your under 18 and don't attend school or are constantly truant.... Doesn't really work, but i'm sure it will make a difference, if even a small one...

Personally I think it's stupid to waste tax dollars, resources, and time to try to accomplish something that's really not hurting anything... Only thing it might hurt is the record company not bringing in an extra 30 grand a month, which is like pocket change to well established record companies.... I don't think its going to do anything, they're not going to accomplish squat.....

I totally agree with you ThisIsTooBoring. The government is not going to support this Judge. They are not fixing some more troublesome problems (like drug imports) which use less resources, so why would they fix this one? They are too busy, for popular belief, working on blue book projects and trying to hide the fact that we didn't go to the moon. :-) Big contraversy on that one -P. LOL. But you are right. They won't accomplish anything with this.
-Spyda

and thats what the navel cadets thought! their not going to bust a bunch of cadets that the government has invested 10's of thousands of dollars in for downloading mp2s. they did!

i dont think they'll be going after 'everybody'. but their going to be hitting the homes of some middle class kids for sure. good. this is what they want, these people that supported this insanity, now they can have it!

What we are begining to see here is an entire industry protecting what it has invested years and years creating what is complete control over a distribution chain which is how exactly these jackasses get their music from the artist to the consumer. How many bad songs are on a CD, even by really good artist?? at least a couple and that is the FLUFF that is being sold by the recording industry.

The recording industry is simply protecting their supply chain which they have spent years cornering from everything from the radio stations which we listen to down to the stores that sell the CD's which are controlled by the recording industry. Their entire supply chain provides them with an opportunity to skim a little more off of the top of the cost of a ten dollar CD. Any fool who has burned a CD knows how much it actually costs to produce one and 15 dollars for a half full CD is not the price.

The problem that has been created is that they can still distribute the songs at a profit through charging for an entire over priced CD and not at the small profit which distribution through file sharing would allow but instead through the sale of over priced Cd's because people would only download the songs that they like and instead only download the entire CD when it is worth their time like melon colly and the infinite sadness by smashing pumpkins.

This is only one small way in which the patriot act and other such 9/11 legislative activities have cause our rights to be eroded. when Tedob1 talks about brave new world or 1984 as suggestions to our inevitable future he is not kidding . The things that were suggested then are talking place now though most due not know it because it is so incremental. I can guarantee that if the founding fathers of the US were alive now they would declare independence from washington DC because of the degree to which our rights are being infringed upon.

Do not take this lightly it is the begining of what is to come and legal rights take slow but sure judicial judgements to be removed after the law has been passed and this is only the begining. Most people do not pay enough attention to politics to know what is taking place but soon they will see it when they are being infringed upon in a few more years due to the actions which are being allowed today.

Sorry if this is too long and fragmented because I can go on for hours on this topic but only have a few minutes to type....

EDIT: Sorry I sound like so much of an extremist because I actually am not but this is a very serious state of affairs. I am a patriot 110% of the us but I do not like our current direction.