Has the legendary so called "Hacker" returned to society from his long "log-off" period? Is Kevin Mitnick really back for good? Was he a real hacker? Or was he a cracker?
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Has the legendary so called "Hacker" returned to society from his long "log-off" period? Is Kevin Mitnick really back for good? Was he a real hacker? Or was he a cracker?
Check this topic out here.
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-Spyda
Theres another topic similar to this on another page to which i also replied.
In short, i dont think he was all the media has cracked him up to be. He hacked, he got caught. All this talk of movies deals, etc, is just utter crap.
Anyway, its been what, how many years since he's used a computer? "Please dont +++ATH0 me!!". The methods of last year are gone, technology has changed dramatically since his hey day.
-Zenith
LOL! You're right. It's mainly just fame, but he inspiried a lot of people, i believe. He was definately not a "Hacker" but a "Cracker" by stealing. It is completely wrong that he became a celeb and i think the people who caught him should be the ones making the movies etc. (Not that hackers 2 was a great hit though). :)
*good crackers dont get caught*
No, people that crack good, im asuming thats what you meant rather than a ethical cracker (NO SUCH THING), are meant to be caught. Good hackers don't need to be caught.
-Spyda
No, they just get crumbled up in my chili bowl...Quote:
*good crackers dont get caught*
lol true that -- No im not a cracker I was just saying that how good could you be if you get caught, not that you should be doing that anyways...
Oh, blah, all this 'cracker' and 'hacker' bullshit, people use the words when they feel like it and change the meaning around, if its something 'cool' then the guy is a hacker if its something that you suddenly think is wrong then the guy is a 'cracker', its all the same noise when it comes down to it, i really dont belive in the term 'cracker'.
Aside from that, in my opinion Kevin Mitnick WAS a Hacker(so to speak, same **** as cracker). Everyone keeps saying he had no skill, he was just a social engineer and not a real hacker, well ill be damned if even 1% of you could do what he did back in the day. Im not praising him at all, dont get me wrong, but i am saying he had to have been a pretty damn smart guy to get as far as he did, and evade the FBI for as long as he did.
Another thing is, if he wanted to(not sure) he is still into computers as much as any other person, he was only ristricted from the internet itself, and not computer use, so he could of been fooling around w. computers. And books teach alot more then you think, he had ALOT of time for nothing but reading and research, I belive he still probably has the interest of 'computer security' in mind, but wont do anything illegal, jailtime will do that to ya.
Yes Dome I agree with you! I was not saying he is nothing,as i said, he DID and DOES inspire people. I still disagree with your cracker and hacker terminology, but Kevin was the real deal back then, and he is still milking it for all its worth (the fame part). I believe he also had some kind of restriction on the type of info in books he was allowed to read, but you are probably right, because a lot of true info is posted in books and sold. He is probably still good at computers and will be interesting to see what he does, but Big Bro is watchin, i think they are more interested in what he will try and pull, rather than what he is capable of doing. They might hire him for all we know, just for the publicity, or maybe b/c of who he is, and he was the first to figure out whatever he did. Just a thoughtQuote:
It's mainly just fame, but he inspiried a lot of people, i believe
-Spyda
Glad to know that Messanger_spam welcome to AO :DQuote:
No im not a cracker I was just saying that how good could you be if you get caught, not that you should be doing that anyways...
Dome, Have you ever used a real BBS? I mean like befor the internet happened. I ran one back in the 80's, I am sure that is where he recieved a lot of his knowledge. I remember using wardialers to find computers with modems many years ago...Quote:
Everyone keeps saying he had no skill, he was just a social engineer and not a real hacker, well ill be damned if even 1% of you could do what he did back in the day.
I hope I'm not going to be banned for this, but here goes...
Personally, as a hacker, I find it disrespectful to say such things about Mitnick. Kevin IS a legend, regardless of what the media will have you believe. What exactly is it that you think he stole? Have you no interest at all in the sophisticated attack that got him in prison in the first place? IP spoofing is, I think, one of the most fascinating attacks ever conceived.
If you guys are ashamed of what you are, I might not want to be a part of AO. Sorry.
aeallison , while i was young at the time, yes however i remember using a REAL BBS for downloading games and other programs I wanted to get my hands on. But not everyone back then knew how to do those things, and in addition when mitnick commited his last few acts there were already major ISPs up and running, so the internet was well on its way to the top.
SpydaByte, Well I really think it was Shimimora and John Markoff who really used the publicity of this whole 'mitnick' thing more then mitnick himself. He didnt want the movie being made, he didnt want the book written, he had no part in that. The last bit of 'publicity' Mitnick had was when he wanted to sell his 2 laptops confiscated by the FBI(the ones he used for hacking) on eBay so that he can get enough money to fight against the FCC in court over the issue he had with his radio license.
I am not ashamed of who I am, I helped develop the internet protocols that we use today, I could have probably showed Mitnick a few things...and I might have...hrmQuote:
Originally posted here by Coder Puffin
I hope I'm not going to be banned for this, but here goes...
Personally, as a hacker, I find it disrespectful to say such things about Mitnick. Kevin IS a legend, regardless of what the media will have you believe. What exactly is it that you think he stole? Have you no interest at all in the sophisticated attack that got him in prison in the first place? IP spoofing is, I think, one of the most fascinating attacks ever conceived.
If you guys are ashamed of what you are, I might not want to be a part of AO. Sorry.
<edit> BTW you were very adept at 2 which is when I built the finest BBS in Missouri, Sorry Mitnick got caught...I didn't</edit>
Dome:
You're right. He wasn't the main one that wanted all the publicity, but he is wanting some. for example why is he going to The Screensavers to have his first "Sign on"? He had to have some kind of agreement for that. He is not wanting ALL the publicity, but some of it he is accepting. I am definately not saying he is not a Legend, just because of the media, but I believe the media has made his "public" persona.
Coder Puff:
First off you are not getting banned for this. If there are people on AO that ban people for their opinions, then they should ban me. I am not ashemed in what I am, in fact Bill Gates was a so called "Hacker" while he was my age. (Don't quote me, i lost the source) .You are also right, ip spoofing is a fascinating attack.Quote:
I hope I'm not going to be banned for this, but here goes...
Personally, as a hacker, I find it disrespectful to say such things about Mitnick. Kevin IS a legend, regardless of what the media will have you believe. What exactly is it that you think he stole? Have you no interest at all in the sophisticated attack that got him in prison in the first place? IP spoofing is, I think, one of the most fascinating attacks ever conceived.
If you guys are ashamed of what you are, I might not want to be a part of AO. Sorry.
Mitnick stole software from Motorola, Sun Microsystems, Novell.
Read the short article here .
Read another here .
Please stay with AO, even if we don't turn out to be your dream online friends, but I am definately not ashamed for being a Hacker.
-Spyda
There is another thread like this one on AO, check it out here . enjoy :-)
-Spyda
dome i couldnt agree with you more.and if you guys who are sayin kevin wasnt a real "hacker" then you need to do what ive been at for at least 5 hours out of the day, every day for about a year now, READING, its a really amazing concept.like you could just keep sayin the same crap or you could check out this link http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/s...343816,00.html
and hey its even got video for those who are to lazy to do proper research.sorry if i have offended anyone but thats my 2 cents.im not a hacker myself, im just someone who knows how the world works, and it works on computers, and if im gonna live in this world id like to be one of the few thats not ignorent to it.take it easy people.
Hey everybody, i have nothing to say about if kevin mitnik was a "hacker" or not and say anything about what the term hacker means but i know for a fact that he is still using computers because someone i know who does network security just took a seminar in las vegas where kevin mitnik was there giving a speech on security. There were also other hackers such as se7en and 2 other hackers who told more on hacking from the hackers point of view.
AFAIK, Kevin wasn't exactly a huh.. saint? martyr? (script kiddies usually worship him). But I believe he was quite tallented himself, and was made a myth by media. About all money that was lost/stolen/whatever, I can't say if its all the truth. It's quite interesting that when a say, virus spreads, in 5 minutes someone says that 12.5231 millions will be spent to repair virus damage. I wonder if its black magic.. :) .
Well, eventhough he wasn't eactly innocent, being held in prison for 4 years without trial, and being accused of every possible attack wasn't really fair to him. :( . The propaganda around him easily surpasses his deeds. He deserved punishment for what he did, but not to be made a media icon. Something, I 'suppose ' (suppose= I am sure) he didn't ask for.