Report: Bush Considering Cyber Warfare

Hey All,

well I came across this and thought now ive seen it all LOL anyone have any thoughts on this ? would it be something to actually consider ? or more of a sci-fi idea still , this reminded me a little of the old movie "Wargames" anyways, I found it interesting and thought id share and see if any of you had an opinion.


Taken from the article here

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February 7, 2003
Report: Bush Considering Cyber Warfare
By Roy Mark
President Bush secretly signed an order last July directing administration officials to develop the parameters for possible cyber-attacks against enemy computer networks, according to a report in Friday's Washington Post. The report also says the Pentagon is actively developing "cyber-weapons," to disable enemy radar, electrical grids and telephone systems.

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it had also been mentioned in the Chicago Tribune

Whats next ? a cyber draft ? LOL Calling all hackers and security gurus Uncle Sam wants you ! LOL ok im sure thats was dumb , but it just came to mind :confused:

Cheers

Yes, I agree. But stepping outside of Bush and just looking at the problems at hand, isn't that kind of a good idea? I mean think, if we can cripple their networks, then maybe it will give us a chance to get in and take control of find a way of totally disabling anyone from using a nucular missle or something? I know it's a stretch, but still...

Don't they need to have a stable power grid before we can take one down???

I love the US Governments approach to hacking. You hack us and you go to jail, but if we hack other "bad" governments, then it is ok.

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Whats next ? a cyber draft ? LOL Calling all hackers and security gurus Uncle Sam wants you ! LOL ok im sure thats was dumb , but it just came to mind

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Where do I sign? j/k :D

But seriously... our govt. is the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen.

It is illegal for anyone else to do it, but for the govt. its ok. What kind of example is this?

Though hey if it wasn't for a double standard system at times, how would we get anything done. I mean isn't that also how we can be in debt for so much money because we need this or that... or we give money to other countries. Yet we sit and the goverment and says no matter if you are poor or rich you have to give the equal amount of money because we need to have money to supply for our goverment run programs. At times it's all a joke. Then again, look how Bush got into office to begin with, in the Flordia recount.. and recount... and recount...

Mark Ludwig wrote about the future of cyber-wars etc... in this book http://www.ameaglepubs.com/store/gbb.html

If ya haven't read it or are an aspiring virii writer, its a good book to pick up. :D

this is where we need al gore as president, i mean he did invent the internet :rolleyes:

I am agreed with President Bush to bring down Iraq with any resources available to us. It is easy to say here at homeland that war is bad but people just think if Hitler wouldn't be dead, can you just imagine the world today? Saddam Hussain is known for using all kind of tortures to his people. Women's are not allowed to go out without any veil. People are not allowed to vote with their own opinion. I mean it is just total mess over there and I know it is nobody's business to teach others how to live? But to save the mankind from maniacs like Saddam ( who uses chemical weapons on his own citizens just for the test not to mention) I think this war is important.

And I think we will save more lives with military action than political solution. And I don't think that he is fool or stupid at all. Yes he was acting little weard, like putting on the binoculars without taking the caps off. But now he is very serious and he knows what he is talking. I beleive him and I think lot of people here in US beleive him too.

No offence for those who don't like him but I think everyone has a right to say what he/she feels like. Afterall we are not in Iraq where someone is telling us what to do or not.

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Originally posted here by CXGJarrod
I love the US Governments approach to hacking. You hack us and you go to jail, but if we hack other "bad" governments, then it is ok.

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It is also illegal to go around shooting ppl and blowing up things, but this is war my friend, a different set of rules.

LOL We already have cyber-warfair troops.... they are called 'civilians'!
They act like all of this is something new.... The only difference is the goverment will be doing it and there probably isn't going to be a bunch of peaple between the ages of 13 and 25 in court rooms.

How many times have groups attacked one anothers countries? And does anyone remember the worm known as 'lion'... its payload was a manifesto of political statements. What about all the wire taping and things that were going on during the war in kosovo?

:o Heck... The goverment probably wouldn't even be able to find a good target to attack because the vast amounts of kiddies will already do most of the damage for them by the time they find something to attack. And what is this telling the youth of america? The goverment might as well say if we have problems with other countries then its your duty to "break as much electronics as possable".

in war there are no rules

If there were no rules in war there would be no U.N. and no war criminals

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Originally posted here by drew
in war there are no rules

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If there are no rules then why are people involved in wars sometimes charged with war crimes... Back in the early days of America (Revolutionary War) The army would not shoot the drummer boy or the guy carrying the flag of the opposing force... To me those seem like rules, but I could be wrong :-P

It will be interesting to turn this around and see how well our govt. could stand a cyber attack.

I agree with phishphreek80 i suppose anything is aloud if the gov do it but if anyone else then it is a crime, these rules totally suck

well dont quote me but im pretty sure that Tulsa University, in Oklahoma, has a program that actually teaches students to do this cyber warfare stuff. In exchange, they have to work for the government for 2 years after graduating. A class i used to take was looking into a program, and they had some books labeled "classified" and my teacher said he was considering teaching that course as well. But they havent done it yet. Dunno, theres really not that much they can do for this crap. Taking out networks and everything is a huge deal, however its so != actual war.

the great thing about winning a war is that you can then go and charge the enemy for what they did when they were at war. they call these war crimes.

also could the smart ass who send this...
"how are you doing there now!?!?..you be a good boy there now!?!?! Elaborate your post"
...please explain why there is no min word req on posts before giving me -ve AO points.

also i don't care about AO points. i read, i post and i see some green and red dots along the way. i used to think AO was great until i got so many -ve AO points. it wouldn't be so bad if i deserved them but many of -ve AO points were uncalled for.

i.e

"dumbass"
" Well.... there is no rules to war so I think I'll have my own little war with you after all... NO RULES right?"
" This is just the begining of THE WAR!!! AO's board is exploitable!!! I created the antionline.com account and I flooded the board.... You will kneel before your new king but not yet... You are all my peasants so go tell them... tell them its WAR TIME"

etc

war is just a dog eat dog world. when you really come to face about all this, you either shoot or get shot. and beleive me i would rather shoot then die. self-preservation is key to every living thing on earth.

haha, a thought just came to me. wouldnt microsoft be a good company to employ to do the governments dirty work :wonders:

i wonder what type of systems or operating systems war computers use??

and another thought just occured. most weapons systems in the US and probably everywhere are closed systems. what i mean by this is that they are not connected to any other device that is connected to an outside link. in short, its just a button directly connected to the missiles or whatever. this means that if the US was to blackout Iraq and try and disable radar and what not. he could start a generator. power one computer that has the co-ordinates and press the button and still launch a missile.

honestly, this is just like a man reading a book called 101 positions and the woman reading 102 excuses. for every action or attempt at something, there will always be a solution or answer

<edit> and just as a further note, there are no rules but they are more like customs. on christmas the enemies would gather round and share a cigar or two and the next day they are shooting at each other again... whats the point. </edit>