Suggestions for Jupiter Media

Heya,

I've seen a couple of threads with suggestions/questions/wishes about the new AntiOnline already. My suggestion is to centralize all suggestions in this thread. You have a constructive comment about the antipoints-system? Post it here. You want the news-feeds back? You have a suggestion to speed up AntiOnline? Post it here.

You can't expect Jupiter Media to immediately announce what their plans are with AntiOnline, what they plan on changing, what they plan on keeping, what they plan on getting rid off,... if they don't know what lives here at AntiOnline. And we, the users, know what's going on here, what the current problems are, how AntiOnline works. From what I know, they are reasonable people, and willing (wanting even!) to listen to our suggestions.

Hi,

1) For the AP system. I think if you took the job to write a thread (good or bad) and someone is completely free to negg you for nothing writing whatever he/she wants as insulting messages (i repeat maybe your post is good and for not respecting your opinion the negg you with insulting messages), at least where it says "contact user about this assignment" you can send back a message to him/her too (always without knowing who he/she is). If he/she was a normal person and gave you greenies or negged you but giving you a good reason for that then all is OK, but if he/she wrote an insulting message to you, then, at least you have a way to "defend" yourself and this could prevent people for getting angry with "the world" and opening a new thread whining for the recent insulting message he/she received and being "bad negged" and sometimes banned for his/her extremely high "anger".
If there's another way to stop insulting messages, well, better then, but i can't imagine one now.

2) Another idea is (this is an old idea from an old post), seeing that AO main page has some blank space in the right side below the calendar, why not adding a new feature to the site called: THREAD OF THE WEEK and/or THE MONTH (for example, it could be given to the thread with most replies or views, etc. in the week and/or month) with a link to see the "old threads of the week and/or month"). It don't have to be only useful threads but interesting and funny too. This way we could have a faster way to know about most "interesting" threads around the site, good or bad, but that took the attention of many AO members.

Well, these are my opinions, thanks,

DKRR

BTW, good post Negative!!!

I agree with what Dark has suggested. That would be nice to be able to add a few words when trying to contact that user. In addition (i have said this several times before in other threads) it would maybe not be a bad idea to earn the posibility of asigning APs once you have reached a certain member status. The reasons are simple. Someone who is long enough on AO and gets a higher member status, means that this user knows how and what AO is all about. Users with a higher member status usually take their time, and think before posting (yes, i know there are exceptions), meaining that the APs that they assign are not asigned unfairly, or with dumb remarks. Its really the newcommers who dont understand the AP system yet that well, and once they get negged, the go neg hunting. I think the AP system is a great way to maintain this board, and it should not be removed, but dont let the newbies have the posibilities to assign APs. Now, what status should earn this is entirely upto you. I think that jr.members is ok for this, if it still doesnt work out, then raise it more.

About the IRC. Since JP and several other people have said that they would host an ircD and that AO will provide a link to it, i think this matter is solved. Whats the difference on which server its hosted? Or is it (no offense here) only cause some people have o-lines and dont wanna give them up. Or why not just open a channel on a public server? There are many solutions for that.

The forums themselves are actually a form/type of work places, where people come and read, think and post. Within the forums, let there not be too much advertising. Its disturbing. I dont think that it would convince users to go and click on them. People who come into the forums come in to help or be helped. Im not saying dont place ads or banners. Just not in "our" work enviroments (inside the forums). Keep them on the main page, the downloads, for guests to view. Let this also be like the existing earned site benefits. I for sure would be very annoyed to get banners and ads everytime i switch a page in the forums, or want to reply to one. Hense...i would not come back so often, or even at all. Please believe me when i say that i understand Jupiter Media, i also work for a living and know how important adverstising is. But AO is a workplace. Imagine at where you work, on your desk, on top of every stack of papers, or stuck on every drawer and table, you would have stickers and papers with "COCA COLA IS IT", and/or "NIVEA CREAM FOR SENSITIVE SKIN" and "Get it now for only 99.999$" etc.... Thats so annoying and will turn users away. Im aware of the fact that its the way you make a living, by advertising. Just give us some room though. Dont over do it. (If i ever get a popup here, then im gone).

I have heard about the conference that you intend to bring up here. I find this a great idea. I would love to hear a bit more detail on it, aswell as a few other ideas that you might bring. The experience that Jupiter Media has as a company will surely bring many wonderful things here to AO. I like when they said that they wanna try to increase the speed here. Thats a very good idea indeed. Maybe also a few more options in the threads themselves, like ways to point out certain threads that are real good ones, something similar to the stickys which are also good. Also maybe a few places for volunteers, where they can help to make AO better. Who else is more convienient than people who have been here for a long time.

Maybe even a real time help desk (lol, sounds like irc to me), but the fact of having volunteers sitting in a channel at regular times to help out on issues that require assistance is a great idea. I have had a look at an application called chatspace. ( www.chatspace.com ) Its a great java chat interface that runs on irc. It has all kinds of neat skins and places to post many ads. Its the perfect solution for a company chat that offers real time help.

One last thing.....

Will there be rules on what is allowed to be posted or something like that? At this point i think that the freedom of speech that we have here on AO is important and a great thing. Also i would hate to see non security related forums to dissapear. I think that the chit chat section, the humour section and the cosmos section are cool. It helps to get my mind cleared out after sitting for 8 hours in AO doing security related issues.

Oh well, if i have any more queries i will let you know. Good thread here negative. It shows that some of us are actually aware of the word "organization". This will hopefully become the only thread with these issues, and not every day 20 threads concerning with any of this. I want to see more security related threads, and less threads about whats going to happen. This thread should be enough for everyone to stay informed and to suggest.

Good luck on your task here Jupiter Media, and once again welcome.


Cheers.

One thing that's been on my mind for a while is something I like to call AO Jobs. Start a new page on this site where prospective employers can recruit people from AO members. You could charge the employers if they find an employee or the member if he finds a job. The advantage of having this on AO as compared to another site is that the prospective employer could actually look at that person's previous posts and get a good idea of what the member is capable of. That would probably encourage better posting and it'll be great for the community as a whole.
Cheers,
cgkanchi

do do do da grab your self a drink its going to be a long post ;)

well my main gripe atm would have to be the antipoints system to much abuse

the first problem is alliances 80% of the big problems with users have had to been with antipoint alliances you scratch my back ill scratch yours type deals to get to the top 10 list for some reason people think that green dots are related to penis size? my solution either a self moderation system ie monitor who gives antipoints to who and count the amount of times if someone does it to some one to many times in a certain amount of time flag the account for review and monitor them heavily from then on in...the code would be pretty easy to add or a human moderation system where these antipoint moderators can monitor people giving other people antipoints and weed out the alliances that way....

the other problem with alliances that we have seen is people grouping to constantly neg 1 certain person to get them banned and it works and gus knows it ;) ( that was a joke not a political statment)

antipoint abuse it takes place we have all been the victem of it
users assinging you antipoints because they dont like you or the such
the points them selves dont bother people its just the reasons they can be lude/crude and very abusive
a button in the antipoint center to flag a comment for review where a moderator makes a desicion about it and a sutible punishment could be thought up
these 2 problems take away from the orignal purpose of antipoints to be able to see who the are the usefull/helpful people compared to the annoying / "useless" people makes giving out rewards for earning antipoints hard still want my ao lunchbox ;).

insert dancing monkeys for intermison

lack of content atm has forced people to leave many senior memebers have left :| and its dishearting and its not for lack of trying many have tried to start decent conversations/ debates tutorials but it sadley gets drowned out in ****. and avenues to suggest change were lost due to jp's other dutys contracts and the such

this site no offence to jp you have done a great job that you didnt have to do has become nuthing more than a pretty shell to forums the text files are out of date as with the tools and the such it would be a lot of work but harvesting these again to bring them up to date would draw alot more vistors we have a lot of original content in the tutorials forums as well

im now going to steal an idea from THEJRC and mix it in with one, i read in a post you want to apease to the sys admins security consultants that visit this site my suggestion. a reposatory of data that has frequent problems ie a admin cant figure out how to configure snort he comes to the reposatory and searches and their he has it problems people have faced with snort how to configure it etc. thejrcs idea was to update it alot have lists of known spammers reviews of new software aimed at people in the industry ie this isnt stable yet i would wait it has potention if you need this this and this also a database on comman attacks would be nice to build so people could search find what is happening to their networks and users have suggest ways to stop/hinder this from happening again

alot of users on this site have a talent and would be willing to vollenter it mabey if people were given more involment in the site the sense of the community would be raised people more willing to post meaniful posts moral does lovely things dont you think

bring back the security and jobs database could be a brilliant idea or a bad idea depending on how you approch it i suppose money could also be made out of it charging people to post jobs i know a few ao memebers are looking for jobs atm and everybody loves cert and their becoming a big thing atm users info on them what they like about them if it was worth it could also be helpfull for other users prospective employees .....

rewards for long time memebers / helpfull posting would also increase moral and lower the **** to good post ratio



well im ranting again
bed i go
sorry about the long post
rioter

Well, Lots of things have been said already by Dark Raider and Instronics.

I still have thingie that could speed up searches , certainly for Newbies.
It's so that if you do a search on forums, certainly on the tutorial forum, it could take time
and certainly if you do not really know what , how , were..
You could solve this to arrange all those nice tutorials in a tree - like directory after some time
and the thread or tut is dissappeared a bit.

You still would be able to reply on those tuts but they certainly would increase searching and
clear out better stupid questions on the Active forum.
Don't find it there, post it ... already was and will continue like this.
Also a nice fat link on the top of the main page to this tutorial tree would help lots of people,
in particular newbies. Me, personally I've wandered around, before registering, but lots of newbies come in, post , get flamed and shot... they get angry and their you have the weakness of AP-system... they gonna abuse it , get together and stuff.

Get rid of the first confusions for newbies and there will lot less flaming and banning before they make it to their 5-th post. At this point AP-system will be very usefull to award the nice posts and to negg those who are persistent. There are lots of help-faq's and tuts, but my opinion is they don't seem to find them... I knowit , it isn't hard if you're willing and at least try.

Unless I think most of us already knew this, it had to get it of my chest...

Greetz,

just in regards to dark raiders post letting people know who gave you antipoints is a bad idea it opens up the way for revenge antipoints yes i know its sad but knowing the history of the points it will happen no doubt about it having been around for a while it has been suggest a lot of times and jp has said no every time for that reason

rioter

Rioter, I think wot he meant was a feature that allowed you to pen a conversation with the person who negged you to find out why, while still remaining Anon.....does that make sense? if that WASN'T wat he was talking about then that's what I would like to see added :D

- Noia

RiOtEr,

Buddy, i think you misunderstood my point :D i didn't say we must know who negg who, i said that:

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...you can send back a message to him/her too (always without knowing who he/she is)...

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It could be a a flame war if you know who negged you. I agree 100% with you.

I know it was just a confusion so no prob.

Bye,

DKRR

Edit: Thanks Noia, i was replying to RiOtEr but you posted first.

ummm ever clicked contact this user about this assinment you can do it already
rioter

RiOtEr,

Clicking "contact user about this assignment" you just send him/her an automatic message saying that you want him/her to contact you back telling you why he/she negged you..., but what i meant was that you can send him/her a message telling him/her what you like too. If giving you negative or positive APs he/she had the chance to write a message to you saying what he/she wanted about your post, then you should have the same chance to reply to him/her saying what you like too (always wihtout knowing who he/she is).

Bye,

DKRR

Edit: Yes, let's keep this thread for suggestions and not discussions about them.

cgkanchi and DKRR have both made points that I agree with 100%. AP system has WAY TOO MUCH leverage, and we should have the AO jobs thing. It all makes perfect sense to me. :)

First of all I have learned more here in a short time than any other single resource I have used over the last couple of years. I have a lot of stuff I have copied and pasted into a folder on my desktop as a reference simply because I don't have time to read everything and something like the file extension list(dark raider?) that was posted is a great resource.
I typically scroll through the active topics and occasionally try and search other topics. I also enjoy the humor, cosmos and general chitchat as it is a welcome break from having to think and I remain on site-I am comfortable here.
What would assist me???
1. Threads that are marked according to their content-Something in forensics that is titled "check this out" isn't easily located if I neglect to mark it. And the sheer volume of info means that something that is not helpful to me today may be nxt week but I can't mark everything.
2. As far as anti-points-let them go to a moderator to decide on the value of assigning them. This not only works with negs but false positives as well. Let apoints be earned or do away with them.
3. If I ask a question that I researched first and couldn't resolve, in any topic, I recieve assistance in a minute or two. I come here to learn and if ever I can help another It's a done deal. I "hang out" here for too many hours a day and even when i don't have time i check the home page without logging in to see if there is any breaking news.
If the basics remain the same the rest doesn't matter to me-good or bad :o

C'mon guys,

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You have a constructive comment about the antipoints-system? Post it here. You want the news-feeds back? You have a suggestion to speed up AntiOnline? Post it here.
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Let's keep this thread open for suggestions and constructive comment, so chill with those replys with : I'm right, no I'm , no.....

Greetz,

I agree that the AP system needs some serious work. I like the idea of human and point system. It would give the AP system more credibility. Also help prevent abuse. I also like the idea of being able to add a comment to the "contact user about this AP assignment" tab. I do think AP's must remain anonymous. I don't think getting rid of the AP's entirely is necessary, just the abuse.

I am also not particularily fond of the auto suicide function for threads. It is too easy for good threads to go suicide because of abuse of AP's. Now if abuse of the AP system gets worked out, auto suicide threads would work, but as it stands now, they don't work.

Generally overall I like what AO has to offer, and if the features that seem to have bugs in them get worked out, I would be happy. I am interested to see what new changes will be coming, and welcome them until I see otherwise.

I also think the AP's should not be able to be assigned in roll call. This has been brought up many times before and I think it is very valid. An introduction to the community should not be rated.

my .02 cents.

Hrmm..

1. I think that the AP's system is fine, but could use a few improvements. Their will alway's be people who can abuse it and if you set rules, they can probably find a way around it. However (in reguards to AP's) you guys should really take yourselves off the Top Ten AP Earner list, it's not a biggie, but if you two guys are going to always be #1 and #2 then it kinda destroy's the purpose of the list. Otherwise, get rid of the list.

2. More Human Moderator's for forums. 'Nuff said there, although the selection of the Moderator's could either be a vote or your discretion. It's up to you guys, but I think we should have more Moderators. The General Chit Chat moderator ( Ennis I think) hasn't been posting since I've been here and I haven't seen him active. The MOST active moderator I've seen is Negative (mostly because he has the most active forums) but human moderators could definitely help the forums.

3. I know, I know, No IRC. However, like I said, IRC is why most members come to AO. If you lose those members, then you lose the interest in advertiser's, which can lose profit. Setting up a server somewhere else or using a member's server as the Official 'New AO Server' could be another solution to that.

4. Definitely more content, maybe some news and security news writers that could submit it each week/day/whatever. Definitely something to liven up the main section of the site. I can see quite a few Senior member's who aren't active because their is either nothing interesting to post to, or no new content really. I, myself almost started to not post for awhile, but keep coming back because I love this place :D


Those aren't that big of suggestion's, just my random thoughts and everything of way's to improve AO. Feel free to add to them or add a comment about them. :)

Thanks for those who are offering constructive comments.

No decisions about the AP system have been made -- as I've said several times already, we haven't even had a chance to see the code (which is not trivial).

We are listening; the goal is to make this a place where people get good security information. We are not going to censor anyone but we are going to ask people to make sure the focus stays on security. The worst thing that can happen to AO is that it loses its reputation for good security info. If the top threads on page 1 are never about security, that can send a bad message to people who were told to come here for security info but all they see is opinions about George Bush and Iraq. A number of people who I have talked to on the phone and by private messages have told me that the security discussion is the most important thing. Of course, you can have a good time while you're doing that. That's why it's a community and we want to encourage people to speak out.

For the next couple of weeks, I'm going to do a lot of listening to people. I'm not going to reac to every suggestion now because many people haven't had a chance to express themselves yet. So far, this is all very helpful. I can see people really care about this place.

- JupMan

Greetings All:

The AntiPoints system may ban you, close your thread, or hide your posts, based on what a consensus of many members think. Keep in mind, the alternative to that, is having single individuals make those decisions by themselves (aka a moderator or two).

Most people, early on, made it very clear that freedom of speech was very important to them. I think those very same people might now be neglecting to take into consideration what having a single person, or a of couple of people, dictate what is / is not appropriate for you to say, instead of leaving that decision up to the consensus of the forums as a whole.

Many of you are concentrating on how "unfair" a single AntiPoint assignment can be. Remember, a single AntiPoint assignment can't do anything to you, or your thread. It takes many many assignments from many many different people to have a true effect on you. However, a single moderator certainly could have instant and unilateral effects on you.

Also, everyone agrees that these forums are VERY clean of spam and abusive threads, like you'll see plaguing other forums. Why do you think that is? It's because if one of these abusive users appear, the users of the forum have a collective power to instantly rid the forums of them. If you switch things over to human moderators, these people, and threads, remain until one of the human moderators happens to log on, whenever that may be. A user could literally and very easily spam the forums with dozens and dozens of posts before a human moderator would catch them.

In short, be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it, and I have a very strong feeling that once you do, you're not going to like it.......

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We are listening; the goal is to make this a place where people get good security information. We are not going to censor anyone but we are going to ask people to make sure the focus stays on security. The worst thing that can happen to AO is that it loses its reputation for good security info. If the top threads on page 1 are never about security, that can send a bad message to people who were told to come here for security info but all they see is opinions about George Bush and Iraq.

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I'm glad you think that way...
Personnaly (and I know others feel that way too), this has been one of my gripes about AO...
Others have said that without general chit chat, AO wouldn't be a community anymore. Perhaps; but I think just not having general chit chat and cosmos posts show up in the front page would be a good compromise...


Ammo

I dont know why everyone is so obsessed with the whole IRC thing, I guess its cause I havent hung out there much but if need be I know ppl have offered to host and that should be sufficient. just mho.

I think it would be nice to have a segment or link on the main page that would carry security related news. It seems too often that the front page is just loaded with information I can find by using news links. Which I am sure a majority of you check daily on your own anyway. I also think we have a lot of various talents in AO and it would be cool if the users would write more docs on how to use various programs. someone earlier mentioned a tut on snort. Thats a great idea!! Why not have some of the users that are big into programming upload some of the really cool utilities you use in your day to day life. I am sure many others here could find them very useful.

Just some ideas

Haven't been on this site that long, but there are a few things that I'll comment on:

First, the stupid AP whining. I, for one, like the AP system... sure there is abuse of it, sure you'll get wrongly negged at times, but so what! Most of the bad APs come about from political topics - so stop posting in those non-security topics and you'll avoid that problem. Yes, some of the political topics have something to do with computer security, but usually only the first couple threads are on topic - after that it becomes 40 posts of "my country vs. your country" and who's right or wrong. Bottom line is that the goal of the AP system is to get rid of trolls that are counterproductive to this site - and it DOES accomplish that. I say leave the AP system in place and don't bother changing it.

More importantly, there has been a lack of good content lately. Personally, I'd like to see non-security forums such as "General Chit Chat," "Tech Humor," "Cosmos," and "Roll Call" (thanks WebCarnage) be REMOVED from the front page. Keep them for perusal and tension-release after a long day for instronics, but don't put them on the main page. The posts in those forums (including all the damn AP whining) flood the front page and the site looks less like a security site. I came here because I want to learn about computer security, but most the time I scroll through the new topics and don't see anything worthwhile. I have been on the verge of leaving myself (even before the sale), but I'm sticking around to see how things change... hopefully for the better, but that won't be known for some time.

And I know this sale was in progress for a while and there's only so much a person can do (so I'm NOT blaming JP), but I'd like a little more attention to be paid to stuff in the AO Bugs and the Site Suggestions topics. People often post stuff in there that remains unresolved today. If, for some reason, it can't be fixed, do us the courtesy of replying to the post stating such. There are a lot of good coders on this site that respect the amount of work that went into this site and are eager to provide help to be a "part" of it... but when suggestions or bugs go unresponded to, you alienate those people and tell them that their membership in the community is meaningless.

I like what this site is intended for, and I like all the work that's gone into it. I would just like to see more of an actual security focus. It is VERY addicting when the members are on track. I have a mentality like many others here... don't stop until you figure it out. For that reason, GOOD security posts will have people constantly coming back to find out other member's insight into problems and ultimately the solution reached. That's what is so fun and intrigueing to me... a community of people going towards a common goal of solving a problem.

That's my rant for the day. :-)

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Personally, I'd like to see non-security forums such as "General Chit Chat," "Tech Humor," and "Cosmos" be REMOVED from the front page.

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Don't forget "Roll Call"...

/me cringes at the sight of Roll Call being on the front page, and/or users getting AntiPoints (regardless if they're positive or negative) in them....

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Personnaly (and I know others feel that way too), this has been one of my gripes about AO...
Others have said that without general chit chat, AO wouldn't be a community anymore. Perhaps; but I think just not having general chit chat and cosmos posts show up in the front page would be a good compromise...

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I'm not real big on making a post that just says "Me, too."......but...... Me, too!!!!

Sometimes I shudder to think what a visitor must think when they read the front page and it's full of non-security posts. There isn't anything wrong with cosmos, general chit-chat, etc....the point is I know where to go look IF that's what I want to read. As ammo indicated, a good compromise would be to not have these on the main front page.

# Suggestions:

- If JupiterMedia wants to have more human moderators then I would advice to take moderators from all over the world, or at least Europe, USA, Australia*. This way more timezones and ideas are present and the forum monitoring can be optimal (together with ap system).

*assuming most of the senior / long time members come either from the US, Europe or Australia or is this a misconception? I don't want to exclude someone.

- A better AO search engine / search possibilities. the amount of info on AO is growing rapidly and several times I remembered a very usefull thread but couldn't remmeber the exact topic or words used... try to search such a topic... almost impossible.

- And last but most important: try to keep it as much as it is, and keep targetting the 'right' goals for this site . Like focus on security, the community, ...


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The Roll Call 'an sich' is a weird thing cause for highly efficient practical reasons you cannot reply to it. So people can say hi, but don't get a reply. This seems very unpolite. So, yeah remove Roll Call from the front page.

However by removing topics from appearing on the front page you have the risk that people are going to abuse the threads, trying to get their post on the front page. Hopefully the ap system can stop that from happening.

Like bluebeard96 said, paying attention to the site bugs is not a bad idea and solving the existing bugs would even be better.

thx

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However by removing topics from appearing on the front page you have the risk that people are going to abuse the threads, trying to get their post on the front page. Hopefully the ap system can stop that from happening.

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I would think the AP system along with human moderators, as suggested earlier in this thread, will take care of this. Have unmoderated threads elsewhere, but front page threads need to be moderated. And while the cost/time needed to accomplish that will be great, I think that the end result of having a true "security focus" will be a far greater, and very marketable, value.

i think the need for members to give negative antipoints should be eliminated. there's so many good posts its sometimes hard for members to find bad posts to neg so the new comers get it. i don’t think you really want to offend them.

It should be made clear that 'alliances' could get you banned and follow threw and clean house on occasion. I always wondered how those banned members got so many points in such a short period of time but even their alliances did not negatively affect new members the way the balance of points system has. I also think everyone that accuses others of unsubstantiated AP abuse should also be banned. then maybe snibbling little troublemakers will think twice before pointing fingers at innocent people and adding more work for the moderators. IRT they would be sued and they just darken the forums in general.

if it wasn't for the fact that they have kept the forums clean id say do away with APs completely.

Maybe forums like cosmos etc could be placed under the general category of 'addicts' and only made accessible by request and/or number of posts. im sure advertisers don’t want potentially offensive material (political/religious) pushed in their viewers faces but this keeps those who could help here much more of the time just like IRC does. Maybe an applet client that points to a third party chat server could also help keep knowledgeable members here monitoring the main page for questions to answer during the 'slow' times. Its things like this that makes help available when it’s needed. there are a few here with chat servers that i think would be glad to participate

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More importantly, there has been a lack of good content lately. Personally, I'd like to see non-security forums such as "General Chit Chat," "Tech Humor," "Cosmos," and "Roll Call" (thanks WebCarnage) be REMOVED from the front page. Keep them for perusal and tension-release after a long day for instronics, but don't put them on the main page. The posts in those forums (including all the damn AP whining) flood the front page and the site looks less like a security site. I came here because I want to learn about computer security, but most the time I scroll through the new topics and don't see anything worthwhile. I have been on the verge of leaving myself (even before the sale), but I'm sticking around to see how things change... hopefully for the better, but that won't be known for some time.

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While I agree that newbies and visitors to this site may not want to see some of the General Chit Chat or Cosmos threads...

What if there was a "My AO" feature? Similar to how My Yahoo works...

A user could customize what they'd like to see on their main page. Anyone new or a visitor to the site wouldn't see these forums, but people who wanted to see them, or certain other forums could customize their "home" page to dispay whatever forums they want to see on the main page.

Sounds good to me! :D

Since the AntiPoints argument has been belabored to death, I'll leave that alone :D

I have other suggestions though.

1. More updated download archives. As system administrators and a secruity concious group, it's good to know what crackers are using these days. That helps with better securing systems.

2. Bringing"Eye On The Underground" back would be cool. I used to visit that section everyday to see what was going on in the underground. I learned a lot from those links ;) It was so much fun too!

3. Leaving JP's personal page or something to commemerate all of JP's hard work would be nice. Despite what people think of him, we all have to agree he worked his ass off...

The other stuff I would like is not going to happen, so there is really no use to even ask (Like IRC, No banners after so many posts, etc.)

regards

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Personnaly (and I know others feel that way too), this has been one of my gripes about AO...
Others have said that without general chit chat, AO wouldn't be a community anymore. Perhaps; but I think just not having general chit chat and cosmos posts show up in the front page would be a good compromise...

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Great idea!

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What if there was a "My AO" feature? Similar to how My Yahoo works...

A user could customize what they'd like to see on their main page. Anyone new or a visitor to the site wouldn't see these forums, but people who wanted to see them, or certain other forums could customize their "home" page to dispay whatever forums they want to see on the main page.

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Even better idea! But puts a bit more overhead on the system.

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- If JupiterMedia wants to have more human moderators then I would advice to take moderators from all over the world, or at least Europe, USA, Australia*. This way more timezones and ideas are present and the forum monitoring can be optimal (together with ap system).

*assuming most of the senior / long time members come either from the US, Europe or Australia or is this a misconception? I don't want to exclude someone.

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VictorKaum you little (well big, actually) Bastard ;) You missed Asia! Otherwise, pretty good idea.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

Hello again everyone... I've been rather inactive ever since the horrible "AntiOnline for sale!" message popped in to the main page. Maybe I'll start paying visits more often now. I went through JupMan's and JP's (latest) messages and think I'm pretty aware of the current situation again.

JupMan: I look forward to see how you are leading AntiOnline, it's too early for me to say anything yet. Other members have brought up the same topics that I am worried about. Start making yourself known and fill Your Profile with your personal details... I don't like faceless, too anonymous people leading this site. Get a neat avatar and signature, like JP did.

What can I say more... It's a sad moment... I hope JP still sticks here and posts every once in a while... And I hope this place is worth visiting after a year too... Message boards are the heart of AO (and AP system is the immunity system of the heart).

Customizable front page is something that I wished for for the first time when JP announced that some forums will be excluded from it, I hope that gets implemented.

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Originally posted here by JP
Greetings All:

The AntiPoints system may ban you, close your thread, or hide your posts, based on what a consensus of many members think. Keep in mind, the alternative to that, is having single individuals make those decisions by themselves (aka a moderator or two).

Most people, early on, made it very clear that freedom of speech was very important to them. I think those very same people might now be neglecting to take into consideration what having a single person, or a of couple of people, dictate what is / is not appropriate for you to say, instead of leaving that decision up to the consensus of the forums as a whole.

Many of you are concentrating on how "unfair" a single AntiPoint assignment can be. Remember, a single AntiPoint assignment can't do anything to you, or your thread. It takes many many assignments from many many different people to have a true effect on you. However, a single moderator certainly could have instant and unilateral effects on you.

Also, everyone agrees that these forums are VERY clean of spam and abusive threads, like you'll see plaguing other forums. Why do you think that is? It's because if one of these abusive users appear, the users of the forum have a collective power to instantly rid the forums of them. If you switch things over to human moderators, these people, and threads, remain until one of the human moderators happens to log on, whenever that may be. A user could literally and very easily spam the forums with dozens and dozens of posts before a human moderator would catch them.

In short, be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it, and I have a very strong feeling that once you do, you're not going to like it.......

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We don't like it already, JP. You haven't been gone long and already it starts.


"Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. But I don't like it, anymore than you men." -Cool Hand Luke

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Originally posted here by KorpDeath


We don't like it already, JP. You haven't been gone long and already it starts.

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Ditto...