*moved* Satanism?

There are a lot of books and websites out there that claim to be on satanism. I however cannot tell which are true/real and which are by kiddies or people who know nothing about the topic.. I do not want to be a satanist I am just interested in studying the topic a bit.

If any of you know any good books on it or any of you live by it can you please point me in the right to direction to research a bit about it :confused:

thanx,
Jim Ryan

[edit] For the person who told me to " read the history of AUSSIE " in an antipoint assignment as a reply to this thread.. you most definately know nothing about my country or its culture. It shows how ignorant you are [/edit]

The bible is a good place 2 start. Did you know that satan was god's most beautiful angle? He was also the most rebelious angles too. He is planning on having the Wild Beast (UN) turn on religion and thats we he goes up against god and says i dont want your people to know about you anymore and thats when he claims earth for himself. But God wont let that last for long and satan know it. God has 2 prove a point to his people his angles his son that he is the most powerful ruler ever and he know whats best for man.

Wow... touchy subject to bring up on a security BB... especially since all are from different religous backgrounds...

not a good move... IMO :D

i wasnt saying whethere i condone a certain religion over another or what i or anyone else should believe in i was just asking for information on satanism. also i put it in general chit chat which is designed for anything on anyones mind

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i wasnt saying whethere i condone a certain religion over another or what i or anyone else should believe in i was just asking for information on satanism. also i put it in general chit chat which is designed for anything on anyones mind

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I understand the concept of General Chit Chat...

I see that you are just looking for info. I wansn't trying to bash you or anything like that...
Feel free to post whatever you want. That istn't for me to tell you...

I just know how things go around here with subjects such religion and politics... can get pretty ugly...

Kind of like at the bar... I've found that talking about religion, politics and sports you just shouldn't do. Your intentions might be good, but others my take it a different way.
Guess thats a good think about the net... you can stay almost annonymous.

When i'm after a new subject, or want to expand my knowledge on a subject, i usually just type the word(s) into my browser address window, then pick from the most reliable sources, like government, reputable universities, etc. SOmetimes it even works. :D

Pretty much the only source I can think of that wont be biased and just gives honest information and leaves the reader to make their own opinions is http://www.religioustolerance.org/ They have a large ammount of information on many different spiritual paths.

btw I partly agree with phishphreek80, its a touch subject, and it would have been much better off in Cosmos.

AFAIK (i am not a satanist, and not into it, so I can´t say much), there are two "satanisms". A group believes that there is the devil portraited in the bible, and that they must worship him. And there´s the Anton LaVey approach, where the subject is the self, not a spirit. You may use a search engine to fetch for Anton Lavey and satanic bible, if you are interested. I don´t aggree with a bunch of things in there, but I can assure that goat sacrifice and stuff like this has nothing to do with satanism. At least this one. The "I wanna be evil" group sounds quite insane for me..

well i used to deal with such things long time ago.
i can now admit one thing.it's a waste of time.the only good thing is that dealing with religious staff makes you more open minded, or not?nothing more nothing less.if you insist on understanding such things,let me tell you some things that may help you.first of all satanism is not a religion by itself!its like a branch of a whole tree.this tree is called witchcraft.there is an essay written in books of magic that says:"magic that uses blood approaches the evil path".So if you really want to know about satanism i suggest you should start reading about magic first.it depends on your character which path are you gonna follow.

cya man!

Touchy, very touchy. I live in a small village in greece. I listen to heavy metal. I used to wear an earing of a two sided fantasy battle axe. From a short distance it looks like an upside down cross. The priest in my village (an old man) was chasing me up and down the road with an olive tree branch trying to perform an excorsism on me thinking i was the new antichrist. So this subject is not good in a place where many religions meet. I used to read a few things when i was like 16, 17 about this. Luckily for me my folks burnt these books, or i might have gotten into trouble in my village. I really recomend you dont choose AO for this kind of subject. By no means do i have a right to tell you what to post and what not to. Im just trying to make the point clear of upto what extend people can get offended by something like this.

Cheers.

There are a couple of hundred definitions out there on what satanism really is.
Here's what I think satanism is about - based on Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible.

In 1967, Anton Szandor LaVey created the Church of Satan (and not on Walpurgisnight 1966 as he liked to claim).

Q: Is Satanism a religion?

A: Satanism is not a religion, it's an UNreligion.
Satanists do not believe in the existance of Gods, The Divinity
of the Bible, Angels, Heaven or Hell, The Devil, Satan, Spirits, Demons,...

Satanists do not hold belief in supernatural beings. Period.

But then again, it depends on your definition of 'religion', I guess. If religion is a synonym of 'belief', satanism is a religion.

Q: Do Satanist worship Satan?

A: Satanists are not 'Devil' worshippers (The Greek word 'diabollus' means 'great deceiver', everything a Satanist opposes to). Satan comes from Hebrew 'an opposer'.

The Roman god Lucifer (from Latin lux=light, and ferre=to bring) was the bearer of light, the personification of enlightenment. In Christian mythology he became synonymous with evil, the fallen angel. In the Bible (Isaiah 14:12-15), the King of Babylon is referred to as Lucifer. Satanists refer to Lucifer in the original meaning of the word.

The being Satan is the scapegoat / invention of Christians and monotheistic dualistic
theories, and not a real being.

The belief that "Satan, The Dark Lord" (and therefor a real
entity) is the strongest of two (good and evil) forces, or the evil component of a cosmic
dualistic battle, is devil-worshipping, and has got nothing in common with satanism.

During the late Middle Ages, Catholic Church taught that some "Witches," mostly women, worshipped Satan, killed babies, flew through the air on broomsticks,... Satanism as it is most commonly referred to, is an invention of the Catholic Church.

--> Satanism is a human potential movement, based on real objects, real things, real events in what they perceive to be the real world. Satanists recognize themselves as gods, and they hold their own perspective on life as holy and revere their own experiences as the only truth we can ever know.

hallelujah! I wasn't going to post anything to this thread for about half a million reasons, but then I read some of the misconceptions that some have about Satanism - for the record I'm not a Satanist but I do have friends who are Church of Satan types and thus have also read the Satanic Bible (for those worried Christians, yes, I have also read the Bible) .

Then I read Negative's post - couldn't have put it better myself and I am SOOOooooo glad that he did put this up. People, Negatives post does a good job at being unbiased and informative - take this as a basis for inquiry and you might make some headway into broadening your mind, your knowledge and your appreciation of other people. I cannot thank Negative enough for stopping me getting into a religious debate :D

Incidentally - if any of you are interested in dualistic religions i.e. eternal struggle between good and evil, try looking into Zoroastraianism it is really quite fascinating.

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PS by the way I do agree with most people, a security forum isn't really the place to discuss religion, still at least you can be assured of at least one reasonable answer from some one here

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Have you tried totse.com they have a religion section but negative summed up what is mostly what all the texts are about i have read some on this outta boredom on totse so here is a link if you are still interesred
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/satanists/index.html and when i got to the frot page to get the link for you i noticed a new paper called "My Dark, Satanic Love" i havent read it so i aint got a clue what its about here is the link http://www.totse.com/en/religion/satanists/satan1.html

im sure enough info has already been given but i just wanted to make sure that when you do start looking into the topic, you must go in with a open mind.why you ask? because there are sooo many misconception of the unreligion.if i were you id start with the satanic bible by anton levay which was mentioned earlier.his daughter wrote a book called bitch craft if you would like some insightful views from a womens stand point.im sure you will find alot of info on the net but just remember that satanism is NOT devil worshipping....those are those goofy f--kers runnin around that think they can take on the powers of satan.satanism is about you being your own god and having noone more powerful then your self.hope this helped, take it easy.

Keep in mind it also includes things like self-preservation, at any cost. At any cost.

And as far as I'm concerned www.totse.com is a childish, at best, site. Of course, that is my OPINION, for those of you who don't understand the concept of OPINION.....

http://www.popsubculture.com/pop/bio...r_crowley.html
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KorpDeath i agree that the BBS on totse is childish its just people flameing each other constant quite funny though reading through it i only go there because the articles and papers are interesting and yes you are entitled to you're opinion i have always thought highly of you're opinions and posts here

Just wanted to stick my nose in a bit. As stated before there are two (or more) Satanisms. Anton Levay's is a rejection of the entire basis of Judeo/Christianity and only uses the Satan figure as a symbol of that rejection.

The other Satanists accept the Bible as a spiritual text but reject its conclusions and choose to worship the ultimate antagonist of the Bible. This religion has never gained much ground or popularity and is usually limited to recognized nut cases or temporarily misguided teens working through a difficult and rebellious age, especially those wearing battle axes that look like upside down crosses :p

If you are looking to study comparative religions then you may be better served starting off with some of the major ones and then looking at some of the new pop ones (which often claim ties to ancient religions).

Judaism and its off shoot Christianity have a long history. While Christianity started much later it is a direct branching from Judaism. Hinduism is a wonderful example of Polytheism, Buddhism is more of an unreligion than Levay's Satanism with no real gods but many paths to attempt to reach enlightenment. Wicca and the related Earth Mother religions are good examples of naturism and (this could get me in trouble) Mormonism is an example of eventual Deism although there are some early Heretical cults from Christianity that are far more deist than them. Zoroastrianism is an excellent counter study to Judaism and Christianity because both are dualistic in approach with ultimate good and evil. Moslem is an interesting study because of its mix of peace and tolerance with violence and righteous anger. It is also more mono-theistic than Christianity or Judaism because they both recognize a triune God and Moslems only recognise a single entity.

I believe the study of various religions should be enlightening, enjoyable, and should help you to cement what you really think. I know when I did this I was looking for truth in my life and seeking to know if I believed what I believed because of how I was raised or did it make real sense to me. I found that Christianity not only made sense to me but was the only religion that offered salvation as a free gift rather than something to be struggled for (please realize some of the religions don't recognize salvation as a need so there is no reason for it to be a gift). While people can evoke all the bad things caused by religion as a way to reject it I find the thought of a loving God who would sacrifice his son for me to be a very powerful and needed part of my life. I hope in your search you can clarify what you are looking for and find it as I did.

One last note. If you just want some interesting titilation on the subject don't go with Levay, instead look for information on black witchcraft. It is probably mostly sensationalism but it has the eerie, chilling, entertaining aspect you may really be wanting.

there is whole list of links (of satanists) at www.vehm.com as well as tons of other weird links to radicals,scientologists(i consider them worse than satanists),haters and general weirdness ,this site is hours of fun and i highly recommend it .

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"Pity they let the old punishments die out... hangin' by your thumbs in the dungeons.... God I miss the screamin'..." -Filch

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Great ending, to a pitiful site.