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Who is the brain-dead fool who allowed someone named Asan Akbar to joinQuote:
Among other setbacks, one U.S. soldier was killed and 15 injured in a grenade attack on a command post in Kuwait by a Muslim U.S. serviceman said to be angry at the war. George Heath, a spokesman for Fort Campbell in Kentucky, said the suspect had been named as Army Sgt. Asan Akbar.
the US army? How many more of these "fifth columnists" are lurking around flying
SAC bombers and manning nuke missile silos?
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the same brain dead fool who let japanesse americans join the army in WW2 and then had the japanesse american unit become one of the mose decorated of the war, though i do not think the fought in the pacific theater. the thing is, we arent going to kick out every muslim/arab in the army.
from what i understand ,he was pissed about the attitude(racism) towards the iraqis/muslims by his fellow soliders ,"fragging" as it is called killed many us soliders during the vietnam war,black->white,white->black, uninlisted->enlisted ...... ps that "braindead fool" also trained timothy mcveigh(much worse and white)
The same American government that believes in freedom of speech, and the separation of Church and State, and is BUILT on equality. You would suggest we start segregating Muslims now? The events of that night seem to have nothing to do with his religion, but his attitude. For what he was charged with, insubordination, his name could have just as easily been Billy Bob Johnson.
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his name could have just as easily been Billy Bob Johnson.
I;ve known a few "billy bobs" in my time, but they don't say that sort of stuff.Quote:
The words Sgt. Akbar is reported by the Los Angeles Times to have uttered when he was seized after the fragging suggest the ominous nature of his "attitude": "You guys are coming into our countries and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/...5-11854073.htmQuote:
Alternatively, and particularly worrisome, is the possibility Sgt. Akbar could have gotten murderous ideas about America, its armed forces and the Muslim world from a chaplain in the U.S. military. As of June 2002, nine of the armed forces' 14 Muslim chaplains received their religious training from another Saudi-supported entity, the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) in Leesburg, Va.
Imagine allowing NAZI chaplains to indoctrinate our troops during WWII.
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And here's me thinking the enemy is Saddam. No of course not, the enemy is Islam. Not Muslim fanatics, not Muslim extremists, but Muslims in general. Damn, I sure do wish I could see everything as black and white as you do. ;)Quote:
Imagine allowing NAZI chaplains to indoctrinate our troops during WWII.
http://www.siss.edu/mission/mission.htmQuote:
Striving toward establishing a common ground through which residual prejudices, tensions, and grievances between religions and cultures can be resolved by dialogue, where an ethos of mutual encounter and cooperation can overcome the conflictual mindset that feeds into such dangerous myths and self-fulfilling prophecies as the imminence of a "Clash of Civilizations."
OMG, you mean they're Muslims, but they're not trying to kill us, or threaten us, or breed hatred for America?
JMHO, but America is doing a good enough job of this on its own. I guess that's what happens when you play every country for your own agenda and to your own ends.Quote:
Alternatively, and particularly worrisome, is the possibility Sgt. Akbar could have gotten murderous ideas about America, its armed forces and the Muslim world from a chaplain in the U.S. military.
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Do you think it is just a coincidence that this guy was a recentQuote:
OMG, you mean they're Muslims, but they're not trying to kill us, or threaten us, or breed hatred for America?
convert to islam, and that he threw a few grenades in to his officers'
tents, and shouted islamic and anti-american slogans when apprehended?
I hope you're right.
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if u wanna get techincal, islam is an enemy of the u.s.
the u.s. and islam have several differences that if you are a truely devoute word for word muslim, u can not ignore and its your duty to allah to stop it.
oddly enough christianity and judism also have several warnings and rules about some of the same things, but have conviently managed to bend the rules or ignore them.
Of course not. But what you are saying, is that this behaviour is representative of Muslims/Arabs in general, which is not true.Quote:
Do you think it is just a coincidence that this guy was a recent
convert to islam, and that he threw a few grenades in to his officers'
tents, and shouted islamic and anti-american slogans when apprehended?
Maybe if the US wasn't fighting this war, he wouldn't have felt the urge to do what he did.
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/...9-67166440.htmQuote:
Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:
• Ali A. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C....
• Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers...
• John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army's 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Mr. Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of the first Gulf war in 1991....
• Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Mr. Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and "enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America." According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan....
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Maybe it just seems like common sense to me, but if someone's on a terrorist watch and the CIA were objecting to allowing him citizenship, it probably wouldn't be wise to let him into the Army. But hey, its no-one elses fault that your government is stupid. :)
Also, that's four Muslims from the military who were indicted and/or charged by the US government. Out of an estimated population of 15,000 Muslims who serve in the US military. These were actual cases where people committed criminal acts, so of course there are probably a few more who harbour resentments toward the US. But that doesn't mean that you should kick them all out. If someone is an obvious threat (Ali A. Mohamed) then it is stupid to allow them into the military. But you shouldn't kick all Arabs/Muslims out because of the actions of a few.
John Abizaid is Libanese from origin. John Abizaid is second in charge in this war.
Of course he ain't muslim anymore; he was forced to convert to ignorism before he was allowed to join the US army.
I didn't wanna start a new thread. and this one seems closest.... (as it's another example of something that deserves a prize for stupidness)
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Four U.S. soldiers with the 3rd Infantry Division were killed Saturday morning when a suicide bomber in a taxi attacked a military checkpoint in the central Iraqi town of Najaf, a U.S. Central Command spokesman said
I'm really starting to wondering about the collition forces/allies/invaders...... They've invaded a country.... This country fights back using whatever means are necessary. This happens to include a suicide bombing. What does the US government do? They call it a terrorist attack. Should we start calling the Kamikazes of WWII terrorists? Were those terrorist attacks as well???Quote:
U.S. Central Command Director of Operations Maj. Gen. Victor Renuart Jr. condemned Saturday's attack as a terrorist act but said it not change the coalition's operational strategy.
I think the US government needs to wake up and realize that attacks on them in war time are not terroist attacks... They are invading another country, the citizens of that country can choose to ward of those invaders if they feel it is right to do so. This isn't terrorism, this is self-defense.
i would agree except that there are now rules to warfare. and yes there are rules, they cant sucide attack us anymore than we can moab bagdad. its considered bad taste. personaly, i think when it comes to war, manners should go out the window. we *should* have moab'ed bagdad at the very begaining. it would have a made a very nice point. and would...induce the rest to surrender. *note* i would not wipe bagdad from the face of the earth, but i would leave a big hole in the middle, right where all those govt building are. it would be better than throwing missiles at them and then have a bloody door to door fight for the city.