Al-Jazeera

What a surprise!

Now why would anyone want to bring down a nice bunch of ladys like Al-Jazeera?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Mar25.html

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In denial-of-service attacks, hackers normally send a deluge of false requests to Web servers, overloading them and making them unavailable to surfers.


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On the Net:

http://www.aljazeera.net

http://english.aljazeera.net

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Whats the matter with people? dont they know no good ever comes from this kind of action.



hmm...lemme see if they have a page there named

http://www.aljazeera.net/jesussaves.htm

or

http://english.aljazeera.net/gwbrules.htm

or...

Normally I'd say that this is unnecessary, but under the circumstances.....

I think they'll end up getting what's coming to them. I never thought there'd be a bigger purveyor of yellow journalism than FOX and CNN, but Al-Jazeera makes both of those look like scripture.

Well , I feel the same way . It was about time . I hope it happens agin ... 8-P
I dont support the war ....
I support the kids out there they are my age . My best freind is out there .
And I think if CNN or anyone eles like that shows them POWs like that
you can belive that the same thing will happen to them . But Just everyone pary for the safe return
of our boy and chicks out there .....

Thankx
~alpa

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Originally posted here by Alpa
Well , I feel the same way . It was about time . I hope it happens agin ... 8-P
I dont support the war ....
I support the kids out there they are my age . My best freind is out there .
And I think if CNN or anyone eles like that shows them POWs like that
you can belive that the same thing will happen to them . But Just everyone pary for the safe return
of our boy and chicks out there .....

Thankx
~alpa

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Please don't take this as my saying that I support Al-Jazeera, but what specifically did they do that bothers you?

BTW, since this really isn't a security discussion shouldn't it be in Chit Chat or Cosmos?

I actually saw this footage on ogrish.com also the killed soldiers footage. What pisses me off the most about the network is that they actually showed this footage. They did it in away that might have motivated the iraq people to keep fighting sort of like a trophy or motivation for there troops. Notice the p.o.w. footage, take a good look at it. Gee I wonder who controls the network? As far as I'm concerned having the website being D.O.S. is great they deserve to get shut down and taken off.

They have done nothing to me but make me sick I dont watch cnn or anything b/c of my views on the war . Thats all they cover soo.. I think by me not takeing part of the propaganda Box that the lease i can do to not sopport the war ..... Its sad subject guy . Hey lets get back to the subject huh ? :D

~alpa

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Please don't take this as my saying that I support Al-Jazeera, but what specifically did they do that bothers you?

BTW, since this really isn't a security discussion shouldn't it be in Chit Chat or Cosmos?

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They showed bloodied dead troops... then humilliated the POWs... what about that doesn't bother you?!
Geneva Convention

That should prolly be moved to Cosmos...

The US like most countries only gives a crap about the Geneva Convention when it’s convenient.

i actually thought this was a misc security related post. i got the impression the post was encouraging people to legally DoS their servers. at least that's the way it seems to me. what they are doing has to be stopped for everyone’s sake. i know their version of allah wants martyrs and if they keep this stuff up their going to get them. does anybody want that except them?

i was rather hoping for some creative ideas on how this could be done...like maybe keep alive devices set to their url with a short time interval. something grandmas and grandpas could do to help and not get thrown off their isp.

there was an article in the toronto star that questions whether it was a dos attack , al jazeera has been getting 4 times as many hits as usual( some of these sites are not run by very uptodate people ) As to humiliating pows all i have to say is washington post sunday morning, guantanamo bay and of course they are only arabs/muslims so geneva conventions don't count (sarcasm).

Oh no, my faith is waning in the invincibility of the coalition troops. I can't deal with the fact that Iraq took some of our troops prisoner. Mmm, instead of coping, I think I will actively encourage DoS attacks against a news provider, hopefully something that even grandma and grandpa could get involved with. After all, out of sight is out of mind.

They took some of your troops prisoner. They asked the troops a few questions, possibly to prove to the naysayers that they were indeed captured US troops. And since you can't deal with it you want to down an Arab news server.

And you want to start talking Geneva Convention and international law? What about those POWs still being held from the war in Afghanistan:

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The prisoners have been deemed “unlawful combatants” by the US authorities in order to deny them official prisoner-of-war status and the most rudimentary human rights. They have no access to their families or lawyers and the US government has given no indication when or if the prisoners, some of whom are only 16 years of age, will ever be charged or brought to trial. Under their current status, the prisoners can be held as long as the US government decrees.

Supported by the US judiciary, the Bush administration has thumbed its nose at criticism from the International Red Cross and Amnesty International. These and other human rights organisations have pointed out that the detainees are being held in contravention of the Geneva Convention, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the US Constitution.

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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/ja...guan-j03.shtml

There are 625 prisoners still being held by the US government from that war. IMO, it is bullshit of America to say that other countries should conform to international law which they don't personally subscribe to.

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Originally posted here by powertoad5000
IMO, it is bullshit of America to say that other countries should conform to international law which they don't personally subscribe to.

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I agree.. And not only the Geneava convention..

Who do you think supplied Saddam with the VX and the Anthrax.. MADE IN THE USA
That's how they know they are there...

Who supplied most of the (ordinary) weapons to Iraq (and Iran at the same time while they were at war) ?

Which country uses weapons of mass destruction (hell the USA invented it)??

ps all the URL's linked are on US based servers of confirmed validity !!
so you people can't say this is left wing communist propaganda bullshit !!

Remember, I am against Saddam Hussain (a dictator placed in Iraq by the US government)

Don't want to be rude but, the Iraqis haven't necessarily done anything bad to the troops, I mean, coallition forces allowed filming of Iraqi prisoners, we did it first, now they do it, what's the difference?

Though I am also against what Al-Jazeera showed, i.e. the bodies of dead US soldiers, I think you're getting a little pissy just because it's happening to your troops, if it happened to theirs or even that of a coallition troop I bet you wouldn't spend longer than 10 seconds thinking about it.

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Remember, I am against Saddam Hussain (a dictator placed in Iraq by the US government)

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ahem... not quiet true.. he had been in power for a while being supported first by the Soviet Union.
He moved away from the Soviets, and started to deal with the French, (Reactors and Fighter Aircraft), Oh and don't forget that Germany were in there providing Chemicals and hardware as well..

As regarding the Filming/displaying of captured troops.. There is a difference in how that was done.. Filming from a distance to poking the camera in the prisoners face and interviewing them.. But how about a media agency's comment on the matter.. "HEy it is the military who have to comply with the Geneva Convention!, it dosen't apply to us" so is this the Western Governments out?

one last comment.. "The Military have a long memory, the media has a very short memory" while the comment was regarding media "Embedded" with troops how and why.. ...the media only remember what is convienient to them and the story they are trying to tell.. it is amazing how little you can edit out of a statement to completly change the context of that ststement.

Hello,
Al Jazeera is just a front for radical Islamic causes and they are a legitimate target. Anyone with an understanding of the Geneva Convention will see that Al Qaeda prisoners are not covered. This is very simple. There is no need to even quote the Geneva Convention. Try and understand that non uniformed terrorists are not actual members of a Geneva Convention sanctioned/covered force. If you cannot understand that basic principle then you have no place quoting or discussing the convention.

As far as weapons of mass destruction, yes the USA does have them but we are not alone. We were not the first country to develop such a weapons program. Look at WWI, the Germans used gas against the English and French. Pre WWII, both the Germans and Russians were actively engineering nuclear weapons. Yes the US did use nuclear weapons against the Japanese. It was as much to end the pacific area of WWII as it was to warn the Russians or other crazed fascist movements seeking to dominate the globe. As far as the numbers killed by Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings, one need only look at Nanking to see what the Japanese inflicted on the Chinese.

I am sick of the world pointing the finger at the US while not even thinking for a second about their own actions. How much money do the French have invested in Iraq? 4 billion! Not to mention that French and German oil companies have collective interests in Iraq. How much military hardware have the Russians sold the Iraqis that has in turn been used against the Iraqi people? Oh but the USA is to blame for all the worlds problems. Could that argument be more glib or tired?

Remember world, the USA is but a reflection of what we all have to offer. We are the broadest example of democracy. If we fail it will be a result of the whole world’s shortcomings. We are not unique, nor are we the butchers you make us out to be. Our foes live in a world of ideals and finger pointing. Our foes sit idly by doing nothing. We will take Saddam out because he is a danger to the whole world. If you cannot see that, then you are BLIND!

MHO


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"Who supplied most of the (ordinary) weapons to Iraq (and Iran at the same time while they were at war) "

Secretly the west supported this war as Iran was as much a problem place as Iraq is today. So we let it go by and looked the other way, we certainly didn't support Iran in any way.

And no those prisoners from Afghanistan are not under Geneva convention, nor are they POW's, however they have human rights, which are being followed - and that's being checked up on every day.

Hmmm... Al Jazeera didn't film the American POW's, they just broadcasted the material. Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the message.
By filming the POW's, Iraq has violated the Geneva Convention, no doubt about it.
By broadcasting the material, Al Jazeera did what the press is supposed to do. I see hundreds of dead bodies on the news here every day. I've seen the POWs on Belgian television (material provided by Al Jazeera) several times. The press is playing a major role in this war. I'd like to see everything that's going on over there, not just the stuff that got through the American censor-commission. What good is footage from an 'embedded' journalist as they are called? What I want to see, is objective footage from BOTH sides. If the Americans claim nobody got captured, and some news station has footage prooving the opposite, I'd like to see that. If Iraq claims to never have gassed their own people, and some news station has footage prooving the opposite, I'd like to see that. Don't blame the messenger. And don't be blind for the message.

ITN-journalist Terry Lloyd (UK) and his camera-people Daniel Demoustier (BE) and Fred Nerac (FR) are allergic to 'embedded' journalism. Demoustier set out a route right through the desert. They were desparate to film what they wanted, not what someone else wanted them to film. They were desperate to move independently, although the American army tried to prevent it. They filmed in Umm Qasr, showing that the city was all but 'peacefull' despite all victory-claims. Soon they realized the real news would be in Basra. The convoy continued their route following the A8-highway from South to North Iraq; Demoustier and Terry Lloyd in the first car, Fred Nerac and Hoessein (their translator) in the second. "Everything seemed under control. We saw American and British tanks by the side of the road, we saw dead Iraqi's. A little further, we stopped to talk to some locals. Moments later, machine guns armed with dumdumbullets started to rattle. We showed our camera's, we showed our tv-cards, but it didn't stop."

Demoustier escaped. Lloyd was killed by American fire. They are still looking for Nerac.

I bet American television won't show their footage.

umm you got that story from where? and there is a good reason not to allow journalist to roam free about the battlefield.

probably not from a us censored journalist , i would say there are extremely good reasons for journalists to go where ever they want like -Truth , scuds launched against us troops-lie , 8000 iraqi soliders surrender -lie , chem weapon factory found -lie , everything is going according to plan - lie ..............., is anyone actually gonna believe anything that comes out of the us military's mouth even if it is the truth now ?

if reporters were allowed to go anywhere they wanted to report anything they pleased there would be no need for any government to have intelligence agents. a paparazzi
for the army. thats what we would have. a source sure to be believed.

actually what i have against al-jazeera is NOT the POWs being questioned rather it the close up shots of american soldiers with their brains blown out. im an american i am and should be enraged by this. does anybody think that TV and radio stations should not be targets? why not internet sites? nobody was even talking about the geneva convention. you guys have thown it into this thread.

bugsthecat the ones you should stop believing are your own news sources. at work all day i listen to bbc, voa and abc. very biased sources i admit but i never heard the stories the way your telling them. if lies were going to be told im sure they would have been told there.

heres what ive heard:

there was one scud fired apparently a left over from the last war

there are four thousand iraqi being detained.

when the chemical plant was captured it was "hoped" they would find chemical warfare agents there. when none were found it was announced right away.

i dont know whos war plan your reading. it wasnt published in my newspapers. we've been there a week. were 100 miles from bagdad. paratroopers are landing in the north. there has been a sandstorm holding things up but other than that!?!

I may not agree with what al-jazeera put on the air, but I'll be damned if someone is going to decide for me what I can and can't watch. Censorship is wrong no matter what side is right or wrong, which is all perspective anyway.

They were "hacked" again!

Read it here.

This time they used DNS poisioning to redirect would be destined traffic to a page displaying an American Flag.

The Geneva Convention defines a POW as a solider that is following orders from the government of his country. I don't see your argument on how terrorists, whom aren't soldiers of any government, are covered under this.

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Originally posted here by bugsthecat
probably not from a us censored journalist , i would say there are extremely good reasons for journalists to go where ever they want like -Truth , scuds launched against us troops-lie , 8000 iraqi soliders surrender -lie , chem weapon factory found -lie , everything is going according to plan - lie ..............., is anyone actually gonna believe anything that comes out of the us military's mouth even if it is the truth now ?

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umm i was under the impression that is WAS the journalist who was making all the claims...and the us govt mearly said it could not confirm it.

"They were "hacked" again!

Read it here.

This time they used DNS poisioning to redirect would be destined traffic to a page displaying an American Flag."

I think its funny, protest in the age of the internet is something else. I cannot wait to see what the next digital march turns out like. But will it make a difference?