Who thinks Saddam is dead

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The Iraqis broke the statue into pieces and dragged its head through the streets, while others -- including children -- pounded it with shoes, an act considered a supreme insult in the Arab world.

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(get the article here .) First of all I wanted to quote this from one of the articles I was looking at because I find it completely hilarious and it shows that justice is once again served. I'm not saying that it didn't cost everybody for this justice but it still was served. First of all who thinks that all of these cost's of war are worth it?

Now what this is really about is if Saddam is really dead or not. In the same article that I quoted above is says that the Iraqi Ambassador to the U.N. says, "The game is over. I hope the peace will prevail and the Iraqi people at the end of the day will have a peaceful life," and the White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said, "Freedom's taste is unquenchable, You're seeing what you see in mankind everywhere, given a chance to be free.'' But is Saddam really dead? Some people disagree and say that he is alive. The article says

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Meanwhile, opposition groups have information that Saddam survived a Monday airstrike in Baghdad and escaped the Iraqi capital along with at least one of his sons, Iraqi National Congress leader Ahmad Chalabi told CNN Wednesday. Chalabi said the reports, which are unconfirmed, indicate Saddam has taken refuge in the city of Baqubah, northeast of the Iraqi capital -- a town that was home to a large Iraqi military base and prisoner of war camp. Rumsfeld again warned Syria, saying some intelligence reports indicate that Syria was offering safe passage to members of Iraq's senior leadership and allowing some military equipment to move from Syria into Iraq.

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So what exactly does everyone at AO think about it? Is Saddam really gone or just gone hiding somewhere? Either way it wont be much longer before the war is over and that is good for everyone, no matter what your viewpoint is.

Knowing Saddam, that bastard is probably in a tunnel somewhere sipping on the best French wine.
Im not sure if they got him, but for everyone's sake i sure hope so! It really makes me wonder if the intelligence is as good as the government is telling us. I would imagine infiltrating Saddam's outfit would be tough as hell. I have confidence in the coalitions intelligence agencies though. :thumbsup:

He's probably living in France or Russia, I think we all know why France made a vito on 2nd resolution because they were supplying weapons to Iraq. After all the sacrifices made by alliance troops in WW2 (I know it was 50 odd years ago) But you would expect some sort of gratitude from the frogs (French). Maybe not just a knife in the back instead.

I have a hard time beliving with all the money that the US of A invests into intelligence and the technology that we posses today that we have yet to be able to kill Osama bin Laden or Saddam. Kinda makes me wonder if we are really trying.......


hjack

Odds are we are trying but failing. For years the US intelligence agencies have been the laughing stock of the world precisely because of our money and technology. It seems are agents rely too much on there toys and not enough on leg work so we are constantly getting things wrong. Tech can be tricked easily see the tape recorder cell phone scam Bin Laden pulled on us :)

As for Hussein the Israelis seem to think he’s in Syria, they do use agents in the field and leg work..and are usually right. All they have right now is conjecture but about for days before the war a plane left Iraq and went to Syria. As soon as it entered Syrian air space it got fighter cover and now a suite in a hotel that Hussein visited is under heave guard including antiair missile stations....

It looks like we missed the target again and until we revamp how we do Intel (start doing leg work and stop relying on prisoners and defectors who lie in exchange for better treatment) we will keep missing the target.

I agree with you completely bballad. I don't think that the U.S. is putting as much work into finding him and instead are relying too much on technology. I also find it very interesting how 4 people (including me) have doubted the U.S.'s capabilities of killing Saddam and are all from the U.S. ourselves. But at least we have overthrown Saddam and most of the people that are in it with him... thats at least something that is commendable. :)

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He's probably living in France or Russia, I think we all know why France made a vito on 2nd resolution because they were supplying weapons to Iraq. After all the sacrifices made by alliance troops in WW2 (I know it was 50 odd years ago) But you would expect some sort of gratitude from the frogs (French). Maybe not just a knife in the back instead.

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Bullshit ! France condamn what Saddam is and what he does. France have made commercial exchange with iraqi not with Saddam as others country. France unlike UK has not construct Chemical factory (A UK newspaper say that last week). Stop with WW2. WW2 was a different situation but if you want to take this US enter WW2 only after they were attacked, before they just sat and watch. If French and Lafayette in 1777 have not help US, US will be UK. Before saying something so stupid... ...think more than 1 second.

Lets remember before we start blaming the French for Sadamm that most of the men in the current US administration help create him Rummsfeld, Chaney, and papa bush had a big part in bringing him to power and keeping him there. We supplied him with the means to get the nonconvetional weapons he had, and we kept the UN off his back while he used them in the Iran/Iraq war. Any blood on Hussein’s hands is also on ours not the French...all they did was try and buy some cheap oil.

Oh and he never had WMD’S this is a pet peeve of mine, chemical and biological weapons are not WMD’s they are nonconventional weapons. The only WMD are nuclear in nature. Chemical and Biological agents are decent psychological weapons but in the modern mobile battle field they have little to no tactical use. Nor could you kill a significant amount of people with them.

I have to disagree with you about that one bballad, chemical and biological weapons could very easily kill many people. Maybe not on the battlefield but if they sent someone to the U.S. and dropped some of the stuff that they own in the water supply or set them off in a place with a high concentration of people then there would most definitley be many deaths from it. I'm not trying to be paraniod or anything or say that they would ever have the balls to try it, but I'm just saying that it could hurt many people.

I don't think he's dead, but does it matter. The country was rubble to begin with, now it's just been bombed into smaller rubble. The cost of war may be worth it, but was a lot higher than it should have been due to military stupidity. Americain shooting allies left and right and Helicopters crashing all over the place. I'm not saying helicopter crashes don't happen, but at least Canadian troops know how to crash with style and grace so noone gets hurt. My guess is "So-Damn" never had weapons but when he got threaten my outnumbering troops and bombs he walked out of the country. Shave the mustach and wear a hat and no one will reackonize him.

Ishbar who are you to talk about military stupidity, your canadian military is soooo stupid... oh wait!!! you don't have a military, and on top of that you don't have helicopters TO crash in style with do you?

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I don't think he's dead, but does it matter. The country was rubble to begin with, now it's just been bombed into smaller rubble. The cost of war may be worth it, but was a lot higher than it should have been due to military stupidity. Americain shooting allies left and right and Helicopters crashing all over the place. I'm not saying helicopter crashes don't happen, but at least Canadian troops know how to crash with style and grace so noone gets hurt. My guess is "So-Damn" never had weapons but when he got threaten my outnumbering troops and bombs he walked out of the country. Shave the mustach and wear a hat and no one will reackonize him.

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Give me a break Ishbar. This is a war not an easter egg hunt, of course helicopters are going to crash. By the way what was the last war your country fought in and was there any friendly fire incidents ? Im sure if you look it up you will find some. The campaign that has just been waged is one of the most successful in all our history, and we have many successes. I do know that we hit some of your guys in Afghanistan and i extend my apologies, but you have to realize it is a war and these things will and do happen.

A few weeks ago of the French journalists said that Saddam suffered from a cancer. Imagine worst scenarios: Saddam died well before the beginning of the conflict and its government continued the play the game of terror on the people. Always in the worst, imagine that what one believes Saddam being is in fact a double and vice versa. Let us hope that this is only a fiction.

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Originally posted here by schoolsucks779
I have to disagree with you about that one bballad, chemical and biological weapons could very easily kill many people. Maybe not on the battlefield but if they sent someone to the U.S. and dropped some of the stuff that they own in the water supply or set them off in a place with a high concentration of people then there would most definitley be many deaths from it. I'm not trying to be paraniod or anything or say that they would ever have the balls to try it, but I'm just saying that it could hurt many people.

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There are no evidence of this being possable and a lot shoing that chemical waepons used on civilian targets cause terror but not much else. In the 90's cerain(sp?) gas was released in the japanese subway system during rush hour. Out of the tens of thousands of people there the death toal was in the single digites...chemicals are not a WMD. As for biologicals, well one person on a plane with ebola would do a lot more damage then all the man made smallpox and ebola in the world.

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Originally posted here by Zorolord
He's probably living in France or Russia, I think we all know why France made a vito on 2nd resolution because they were supplying weapons to Iraq. After all the sacrifices made by alliance troops in WW2 (I know it was 50 odd years ago) But you would expect some sort of gratitude from the frogs (French). Maybe not just a knife in the back instead.

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I think that is very shortsighted thinking. Just because the French disagreed with America and were vocal about their opposition to the war, now many Americans complain about them being ungrateful for the sacrifices made by American servicemen and women during WWII. So by that thinking are they meant to be subservient to the US's wishes for all eternity? A true friend will tell their friend what their opinion is on important issues. Even if they have different views. And besides which, if you want to follow that logic didn't the French fight for the US against the British (Bush's No. 1 buddy of the moment) way back in the beginning?

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Originally posted here by hjack
I have a hard time beliving with all the money that the US of A invests into intelligence and the technology that we posses today that we have yet to be able to kill Osama bin Laden or Saddam. Kinda makes me wonder if we are really trying.......

hjack

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I don't know. I am sure there are many many people within the US security and intelligence apparatus that are trying very hard. But reports of the Saudi charted jet flying around the US in the week after Sep 11 collecting the Bin Laden family add to peoples reservations (conspiracy theory banks etc) about how hard they're trying. I sure would like to see those FBI files on the Kennedy assassination... :)