I have no idea where this came from but it's brilliant. Simply put I'll excercise my first amendment rights.
Listen up, hollywood bleeding hearts!
Enjoy, all.
P.S. You'll need a powerpoint viewer for this.
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I have no idea where this came from but it's brilliant. Simply put I'll excercise my first amendment rights.
Listen up, hollywood bleeding hearts!
Enjoy, all.
P.S. You'll need a powerpoint viewer for this.
That must be the nicest brainless crap propaganda I've ever seen! Thank you! You immediately converted me to your 'Here's a strong pic... no more talking...just a pic'-mentality! That 'presentation' is soooo... soooo... totally... you, KorpDeath. I bet you'll score with that amongst your allies... coalition...whatever.
Is this part of the 'Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century'-report?
I wonder why they didn't put Ali Comicali in that 'presentation'... if someone deserves to be on there, it must be him. Ali Comicali for president!
So I take it you liked it?
Oh you're such the defender of the free world, Negative. ;)
Oh, I forgot your hero Michael Moore is in there. Wow, you can bad mouth people with the best of them but when the tables are turned.... you cry "No fair, I'm taking my ball and going home!!" People who live in glass crack houses shouldn't throw stones.
It's funny how easy it is to get a rise out of you. Especially when it comes to something you (or your country) have no involvment in.
peace
P.S. Who's doing the insulting now?
If, as you claim, I'm not involved in this, then wouldn't it sound reasonable that I'm only after the truth, no matter who is right?
Can't blame you for not knowing that Belgium is involved into this way over our heads (you could blame us for everything you've blamed France for, and even more...Rumsfeld is REALLY pissed at Belgium, you know ;) And so is Sharon... he doesn't like our new law that is going to prosecute him after his president-ship for his share in the Shabrah & Shatillah murders. Bush also falls under that law. As soon as he ain't diplomatically invulnerable anymore, we'll start a trial against him. He's PISSED, I can assure you.).
Belgium is a small country (as you've pointed out already ;) ). With only 10 million Belgians, it would be stupid to choose for the military approach. So, the only reasonable approach for Belgium was to follow all rules. All UN-rules, all NATO-rules, all rules of International Law. If we wouldn't do that, we'd get our asses kicked - literally.
And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules. If the US decide to launch a pre-emptive attack on another country, we act as the rules tell us to - in this case: condemn the action and refuse military support. Nobody can blame us for not having followed those rules.
And yes, I've heard different interpretations of those rules. I've even heard people claim those rules don't even exist. And that, Korp, is what frightens me. What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack? Having the strongest military in human history doesn't necesseraly mean you're always right, you know... Those rules are the only protection for countries not as strong as the US.
I think we should have a Political humour column.... because this would definately fall under humour..... Thanks for making me smile KD.
Neg Old Chap...... :D
Just a teeny reminder....... You might be a citizen of a tiny little country but you appear to have forgotten that your tiny little country is a member of a more powerful alliance than any in the world. NATO...... Remember them...... That is the alliance that states quite clearly that an attack on _any_ is an attack on all......
Thus, you really don't need to worry about getting your asses kicked if you don't follow the "legal" measures dictated by the UN....... If anyone picks on you then the Brits and the Americans, amongst others, would be right there to help you out.
Of course you do need to remember that you live real close to those nasty French who never became part of NATO, (chickens probably), but you don't need to worry about them. Only half of them ever go to war and that's when the Germans are sipping coffee in Paris. Now, bearing in mind that the half that do go to war actually side with the germans and the germans appear to have given up on war since they have now lost two world wars and a world cup too it seems to me that you should be pretty safe from the french.
(Dripping with evil humor and sarcasm......... But I couldn't resist it....... ;) )
Your reactions are very virulent and I find that all that does not deserve such vehemences. Can't we speak, have an exchange of idea without insult ?
If we take that with the first degrees it is clear that that resembles propaganda, but if one takes that with the second degrees it is right humour. The problem it is that, as specified, we do not know the sources.
In a politic debate, there is neither winner, nor loser. Each one forms an opinion.
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So, the only reasonable approach for Belgium was to follow all rules. All UN-rules, all NATO-rules, all rules of International Law. If we wouldn't do that, we'd get our asses kicked - literally.
And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules. If the US decide to launch a pre-emptive attack on another country, we act as the rules tell us to - in this case: condemn the action and refuse military support. Nobody can blame us for not having followed those rules.
The same U.N that has no crediblity anymore right.... The same U.N that failed to prevent genocide in Bosnia, Rwanda, Yugo-Slavia and Kosovo... Now the organization is only good for handing out food!
The United Nations is a JOKE! :eek:
Ghostdog, did you notice at the end of Tigersharks post the line
I'm sure you know as well as I do about the long standing love-hate relationship between the English and the French. I hope you also know that the British are renowed for taking the piss(amongst other less salubrious things). You're right in a political debate there is rarely a winner... why do you think the Brits like taking the piss out of politics... ? Chill a bit..Quote:
(Dripping with evil humor and sarcasm......... But I couldn't resist it....... :) )
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"WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINEDQuote:
The same U.N that has no crediblity anymore right.... The same U.N that failed to prevent genocide in Bosnia, Rwanda, Yugo-Slavia and Kosovo... Now the organization is only good for handing out food!
The United Nations is a JOKE!
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,..."
Oh, thanks for your consideration, Tiger Shark... we beat Julius Caesar, we beat the French, we drowned the Germans, so I'm sure we'll be fine ;) (although that was resp. 2100, 260 and 80 years ago, but hey...). Not to mention there are about half a million Belgian horses in the possession of the Amish in the US, so I'm sure they'd revolt if the US started to pick on us... if the Amish would know about it, that is.
If we were going to start a beer war we would prolly invade canada first.Quote:
What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack?
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Hey Neg.. If we could only get the UN to uphold their own doctrine!!
I wasn't talking about involvment in the war I was speaking about the presentation. Where does THAT presentation mention Belgium? I got a kick out of it because I feel the same way about our primadonna Hollywood pukes.. they make me sick to my stomach (including Michael Moore). You take it as a personal attack, which is ludicrous, and then you condemn it because you (or your country) don't agree with it.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
If, as you claim, I'm not involved in this, then wouldn't it sound reasonable that I'm only after the truth, no matter who is right?
Can't blame you for not knowing that Belgium is involved into this way over our heads (you could blame us for everything you've blamed France for, and even more...Rumsfeld is REALLY pissed at Belgium, you know ;) And so is Sharon... he doesn't like our new law that is going to prosecute him after his president-ship for his share in the Shabrah & Shatillah murders. Bush also falls under that law. As soon as he ain't diplomatically invulnerable anymore, we'll start a trial against him. He's PISSED, I can assure you.).
Belgium is a small country (as you've pointed out already ;) ). With only 10 million Belgians, it would be stupid to choose for the military approach. So, the only reasonable approach for Belgium was to follow all rules. All UN-rules, all NATO-rules, all rules of International Law. If we wouldn't do that, we'd get our asses kicked - literally.
And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules. If the US decide to launch a pre-emptive attack on another country, we act as the rules tell us to - in this case: condemn the action and refuse military support. Nobody can blame us for not having followed those rules.
And yes, I've heard different interpretations of those rules. I've even heard people claim those rules don't even exist. And that, Korp, is what frightens me. What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack? Having the strongest military in human history doesn't necesseraly mean you're always right, you know... Those rules are the only protection for countries not as strong as the US.
Oh, holier than thou, Negative. Can you mend our evil ways? Let's stop this stupid war and meet over at your house for some hacky sack and some fine belgian beer. j/k
Simply put...the terrorists of 9/11 woke the sleeping giant. Now we take action. If you want to get preposterous and try to tell me that we're going to invade other countries on a whim then you're smoking some good stuff.
Oppose the war, I've never had a problem with that. But for God's sake don't lose your sense of humor because of it. Geez.
Neg: LOL..... You do have a sense of humor...... You just hide it....... ;)
Seriously, as a veteran who never actually fought in a full blow war I can tell you that we really don't want war. But there are times when options become _so_ limited that it becomes another card in the pack of life. You chose to play it knowing that it will cost both, but you chose the option of playing it because you understand that you have played enough cards and they didn't get the desired effect...... Thus, logically it becomes one that, in the long run, is worth playing. The other side is that you don't play it and one or both suffers more in the future.....
War isn't an automatic reaction, it's not a solution, and it's not an end-game. It's something that, if done at the correct time and in the correct way will minimize or localize a problem. We can argue till the cows, proverbially, come home, but in the end we will all be wrong....period. The time is never _perfect_. It's a guessing game like everything else.
You are free to have your opinion and I respect you for it. You are free to say that the timing is wrong and there would have been a better time and I respect you for it. Equally, I am as right as you, I have no better nor worse timing than you..... I agree with the action taken... I am saddened for the lives lost but also accept that they would be...... I also understand that, (without necessarily being right about the timing), had we waited much longer the cost to "us" _could_ have been higher and, as a result, the cost to "them" _would_ have been incrementally higher than has currently been the case.
Ever read Tsun Szu? Brilliant man..... Brilliant culture....... Wonderful understanding of human nature......
I will respect you in the morning........ ;)
Soooo... yeeaaah.
Negative - after reading various posts of yours, I can say I have learned a few things, and that you back a lot of what you state with news articles or least 'tangible' facts.
My question is, and operating under the new declaration of 'no ao points in this forum,' I just have to ask if you have a hatred of the US and it's people? If nothing else, it appears that you are extremely p1ssed off at the US - did this start with us going into Iraq or further back? Just curious and this is not to say that your opinions are not appreciated. So as Triumph the Comic Insult Dog would say "What a great opinion... for me to poop on!" BTW that was my late-nite attempt at humor. I think you need to go into politics to work out your rage.
KorpDeath - yes-yes you did exercise your 1st Amendment rights. Thanks for that, some interesting, some I agree with, some I don't, but still enlighting and friggin' funny. You know, I never did see what Janeane Garofalo stated, but I know that the "Tough Crowd" show with Colin Quin slammed her about her opinions. Any good sites on this?
I have not finished "The Art of War" yet, but I am working through the vintage 3 Stooges.
personally i dont like war, but as anti flag said, you gotta die gotta die gotta die for your government, i personally dont like war but i know not everyone can sit down and talk things out instead of blasting them out, i usually stay in the middle, not pro or anti, but i really dont agree with war, to many innocent people die. I hope someone sees my point in this:
Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go
They're forming in straight line
They're going through a tight wind
The kids are losing their minds
The Blitzkrieg Bop
They're piling in the back seat
They're generating steam heat
Pulsating to the back beat
The Blitzkrieg Bop
Hey ho, let's go
Shoot'em in the back now
What they want, I don't know
They're all reved up and ready to go.
if you dont undertstand why i put those lyrics there than well, you dont know punk. ;) lol.
Of course Canada first in a beer war... We're the only ones that know what it's all about... I will say there's one area I pity you Americans in.. (one of many. hah).... you never get to experience a real beer... you just get water...Quote:
Originally posted here by rcgreen
If we were going to start a beer war we would prolly invade canada first.
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Gore... come on now.. don't tell me you missed the entire meaning of the song..Anti-flag is prolly one of the greatest bands ever.... They happen to be my favourite.... You should include the rest of the chorus is yer gonna include part of it... because then it expresses what they truly meant instead of making it look like they're pro-militaryQuote:
you gotta die gotta die gotta die for your government
You Gotta Die
Gotta Die
Gotta Die for you government?
Die for your country?
That's ****.!
Anyone who wants to view life/politics/everything else the way it should be viewed.. listen to Anti-flag....
Following in gore's footsteps.. punk lyrics definately seem appropriate.
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911 For Peace - Anti Flag
It's in the paper every day
I see it in the headlines and I feel so sick, yeah
As another life leaves this world (this world) so full of hate
But short
Short on compassion
Short on humanity
Asking myself in vain, shaken by the shock,
"Do we even have a chance?"
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human.
Let's start to prove it.
This is a plea for peace (world peace)
To the oppressors of the world and to,
To the leaders of nations, corporate profit takers,
to the everday citizen
Greed, envy, fear, hate-- the competition has to stop.
When you see someone down, now's the time to pick them up
Set your differences aside and never look back, no
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
Isn't everybody tired of the fighting? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired of the killing? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired of the dying? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired fo the hatred? (hey, hey)
Violence.. fighting... killing...dying.. aaaaaaah!!
(excerpt from Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech)
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
We are all human...
I know that Tigersharks said that with humor (even if I don't understand all, we don't learn at school the real English language:)). I react regardless of Negative and KorpDeath post.Quote:
Zonewalker said
Ghostdog, did you notice at the end of Tigersharks post the line
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(Dripping with evil humor and sarcasm......... But I couldn't resist it....... )
The USA did not follow the rules since there was a vote democratic of UN whose result was "no war for the moment". UN never said that there would be no war, it said that it was premature. It is what France underlined by taking more time for the inspectors.Quote:
Dublix said
...And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules...
The resolution 1441 required a disarmament of Iraq and the inspectors had results (the things advanced gently but they advanced). Why suddenly the USA want to reverse the government? They has information ? By not giving them to the inspectors they are in faults. The USA said that Saddam was a messace for safety, that it had weapons of massive destruction, chemical weapons. For the moment nothing was found. Ah yes they found American weapons! Sold with the agreement of the USA? By an American company without scruple?
The USA said that they would find the weapons of massive destruction. What must we understand? Will the CIA manufacture evidence? There are many things strange in this war: Where are the Iraqi planes? Where is the large army of Saddam? No information on that. Would the secret service be null at this point? Much question without answer. The future will learn some to us.
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...And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules...
That quote is not mine it's negatives. ;)
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Sorry about that Ghostdog i went back and fixed the quote thingy. :rolleyes:
I'd give the brew making skills to the Belgians way before I give any credit to the Canadians, hell I like Jamaican beer better than anything from the great white north.Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
Of course Canada first in a beer war... We're the only ones that know what it's all about... I will say there's one area I pity you Americans in.. (one of many. hah).... you never get to experience a real beer... you just get water...
That brings up a funny quote though. At the Hollywood bowl watching Monty Python. And they come out on the stage throwing cans of Fostaer's at everyone in the audieance. Just then Cleese asks the crowd...."Do you know why we're throwing beer at you, cause American beer is like having sex in canoe.......It's *****ing close to water!!"
Now that's funny.
I didn't take it as a personal attack, Korp. It didn't piss me off, not at all. And I figured my Ali Comicali-comment would show I didn't take it serious (there's a poll online somewhere where you can vote for Mohammed Al-Sahaf to become a BBC-commentator... can't find it anymore though :/... I'd love to see that guy give make live comments on the next war).
Tiger Shark > Sun "When two tigers fight...one is killed and one is wounded" Tszu is something I had to read over and over again at university.
I hope Bush doesn't see himself as "The Commander", because then the US's Art Of War is failing already... and The Commander is just one of five Art of War basics... The first one is Moral Law... I wonder who in American government represents that one...Quote:
The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and strictness.
The general who knows the five basics (Moral Law, Heaven, Earth, The Commander, Method and Discipline) will be victorious. He who doesn't, will fail.
Sun Tzu's Art of War is about the war itself. I'll leave those five basics to the American Generals. I'm sure Sun Tzu would turn around in his grave though... ;)
And your signature, Tiger Shark, is umm... no comment...heh.
Vescovono > If I'd hate Americans, I wouldn't be here. And no, I don't 'hate' American government either. I have my strong opinions on your government, as I have my strong opinions on my own government. If people would stop having opinions on their government, we wouldn't be living in democracies.
And besides... if I wouldn't be 'pissed off at the US', you guys wouldn't have anything to talk about here in Cosmos. Just agreeing with one another gets boring in the end :p
I always try to document what I write, since it's easy to 'just state an opinion'. If someone else provides me with other documentation stating the opposite of my documentation, I learn something.
So yes, I have my strong opinions (I am opposed to this war the way it's being fought, the way it's being run), and nothing could change my opinion, as I don't dream of changing any of you guys' opinion. I just hope some of you took the time to see WHY I am opposed to this war, what I base my opposal on. And if some of you provide me with facts and data and documentation backing up YOUR opinion, I'll welcome it with open arms....
And the Interbrew-thing was just an example :D
For once, I'm with Korp though.
Neg: I could tell you were actually educated........ ;)
Re: My Signature. Remember, I am an ex-patriot Brit living here in the USA for the last 14 years. I get to see the American failings first hand and, to be quite frank, geography is one of their weak points. To many here the earth is flat and ends at the left and right coasts, (they only use north, south, east and west when dividing up sports conferences..... bait cast into water..... jigging it..... see what we come up with....... <WEG>.....)
On the other hand, I see so much of the basic good over here too. I am not naive by any means and I can assure you that it is difficult to justify calling any of the American leadership as having specific evil intent, (though I will admit that Bill Clinton came about as close as any man could, but that's another whole story). As to your basic Americans, they are genuinely good people with a fierce sense of freedom and a desire to help others. Yeah, they have their bad eggs - show me a country that doesn't. The problem there tends to be that the media, (foreign and domestic), gleefully points out the murder rates etc. but is quite reticent when it comes to pointing out the good - but then they are pandering to human nature to make money and a story that invokes outrage or disgust _always_ sells more papers than the "warm and fuzzy" stories.
I have to admit to getting pi$$ed off at the constant attacks on America by people who are believing their own country's media and "running with a crowd" that are clearly as ignorant as they are, (you can count yourself out of that group Neg....... ;) ). Little dip$hitz like Ajit, (or is that Ijut), this morning spewing the anti-American rhetoric of the ignorant abound nowadays and frankly the ignorance seems to stem from jealousy, because these same people would jump at the chance of getting out of their third world $hitholes and coming here to the USA to make a buck or seven. They'd come here, bitch moan and complain - but they'd still take everything they can from the country and the generosity and tolerance of it's people.
I'm not saying America is a perfect place. But I will state quite clearly that it is certainly no worse than any other country in the world and it _always_ does what it can to help with little or nothing expected in return. It does not deserve the continual panning you people in Europe give it and it certainly does not deserve the ignorant, fanatical ranting it gets from most of the third world. It's ok if you don't like Americans - you'll find many Americans don't like the French for example, but you don't normally see us criticizing them and attacking them in our media all the time - same goes for a lot of other countries - Americans just don't seem to do that - of course france is past the right coast so it may not even exist....<s>
Suffice it to say. I am a British citizen and will remain so until I die....... But I will defend the Americans as a whole just like they would defend me.
<slinking back to corner for a rest........>
Tiger shark I think part of the problem is that a lot of the Media is made up of the "bad"guys...People who don't care about anything besides making a buck...They have decided that sansational headlines will amke them the most money so thats what they run.
speaking of bad guys in the media any one see Bill Orileys latest comments?