searching a job?M$ hires hackers!!!

The M$ Server 2k3 use a group of hackers for IVQ purposes.
Just hope those guys are real whitehats ... & not kiddies

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One person I have working for me actually used to be a hacker -- he's British -- and we persuaded him there was a career to be had. We took a whole bunch of these people and made them hackers. We had them hack the system. We took the people who were responsible for each component and we did design reviews and code reviews. We created a whole book of common coding problems that lead to security errors, and we took every piece of code in the system and compared them against those rules. We created tools that run across the code and understand almost all the attacks. Microsoft Research built a tool that can find almost all the buffer overflow problems, and compilers added a bunch of checking.

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full article here ...

I wouldn't be cought dead working for M$..

All my coleagues are asking me questions about configuring their windows and call me reading their blue-screens..
Like I can do anything about it..

And also.. I dislike working for big impersonal companies.. and Microsoft is just about as big and impersonal as you can get...

I have a favor to ask... would someone please make those little apps for finding buffer overflows available over the internet? (yeah right), I be they'd be most usefull :D of course their still made by microsoft...

I remember microsoft issued a challenge to the l33t when they introduced 2000 server.

I remember they said it was very secure and offered a reward if anyone could break into or crash it.

Oh how I laughed when the server fell over by its self after only 24 hours.

Almost as funny as when Billgatus of the M$Borg was demonstrating windows 98SE support for USB and plugged in a scanned and the machine blue screened.

yeah, that all sounds too familiar :D HAHA!

wouldnt surprise me this time if he was demonstrating the power of server2k3 and somebody broke in while he was demonstrating all the 'advanced security features'...

To be franc, if I was the vice-president of Windows Core Technology, as Rob Short is, I would never say:
"We created tools that run across the code and understand almost all the attacks".
Saying that M$ credibility failed over.

1 thing more: If a blackhat is helping them, there is a chance he inserted its own backdoor into the closesource win ...

wait & see

But even if one did would you even be able to tell it was there with all of the bugs and flaws that are already in it? I dont believe that M$ will ever have a "unhackable OS" like they would like to think they will someday / already have in the past made.

Nobody will ever make an unhackable OS. As long as humans make mistakes, which will not change anytime soon, the OS'es that we create will have mistakes.


Also- somebody that is doing penetration testing of an MS OS would have zero access to the actual sourcecode of windows. I am pretty familiar with how the code check-in process works at MS, and I would have to say that they have one of the best processes that I have ever heard of. This doesn't mean that their code is any better than anybody elses, they just have very tight controls on their code.

people making mistakes isnt the only reason an OS is hackable, theres a simple rule about it: if it can be programmed it can be hacked.

i would have to agree with gore on this one, but i seem to do that often ;)

really, though, M$ just buys good people/bad people whatever kinda people out of their usual lives and has them do all their dirty work. However, you cannot point fingers at this unless you are going to point fingers at Sports Teams such as.. the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones and his staff can't play football near as well as the younger, sharper, faster stronger people that they pay to play can now can they? Dont get me wrong i hate M$ with a furious passion in every respect loathing the absolute reality that they even exist (/me is on XP right now and feels ashamed) but, thats how it works and its always going to happen because of one simple thing:

people are humans.

and you know what humans are? greedy by nature, in general. I know what you are thinking of course that "No im not greedy" well we would see if you were poor or just not very well off and you get offered a big fat handsome check right up to your face for doing the same stuff you do already... then we will see whos greedy and who isnt. We live in a capitalist society, and M$ is the capitalist dream.

I know if bill gates offered me a million or so id kick the **** out of his code as much as he asked me to, im not a sell out or anything but lets face it, im broke, i want things, i need money:)