Some simple logic

It's hard to disagree with most of what old Andy says.

ANDY FOR PRESIDENT:
Andy Rooney said on 60 minutes a few weeks back: (for those of you that
don't know Andy Rooney, he is a 82 year old US TV commentator)


"I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some
governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack
addicts for squirting out babies.

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can
kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you
from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are
no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING
MARTHA BURKE?

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is
an opinion.

I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except
numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are
things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment
Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United
Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or
Miss White America; and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking
down your door.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different,
weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of
the population is black, that is not racial profiling. It is the Law of
Probability.

I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received
sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private
matter or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" immediately!

I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a
newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact,
if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries
you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police
should have every right to shoot your sorry self if you threaten them after
they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop"
in English, see the above lines.

I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount
votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are
qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or
tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or
any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in
wars to defend their freedoms so that decades later they could come over
here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their
interpretations.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.

I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That
doesn't stop you from watching them.

I believe a self-righteous liberal, or conservative with a cause, is more
dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue
to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system
that's better, and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that
invented the Internet to help you.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a
parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when
necessary, and say "NO!"

"I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't
pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that
new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you
serve me french fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not
a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African
Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am
a European American because my great, great, great, great, great, great
grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere
else.

And if you don't like my point of view, tough. DON'T PASS IT ON!!"

What do you think of this man's attitude? Do you think he says it like it is or do you think he's smoking something. I thought after all the war talk this would liven this forum up a bit so give me your best shot.

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I think what this guy is saying is dead on. Everything he says I agree with. There is nothing to debate against, he says it like it is. :D

[Edit] By the way, do you know if he is liberal or conservative? [/Edit]

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[Edit] By the way, do you know if he is liberal or conservative? [/Edit]

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I'd bet the farm that he's conservative. Buggered if I know why though ;)

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I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is
an opinion.

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A phobia is an irrational fear. If you feel that homosexuality is wrong for reasons which in your own mind you can rationalise and validate, then it does become an opinion and not a phobia. However, most people who have a dislike for gay people do not fall into this category. They dislike homosexuality because they fear it, because they don't understand it, because they are insecure about their sexuality, because they have been brought up with the belief that it is somehow morally wrong. I am a firm believer that disliking gay people because of these reasons is enough to qualify you as possessing a phobia for homosexuals.

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Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can
kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you
from driving to the ball game.

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I would strongly agree with this statement, except that 'guns' is one of those terms which means very, very different things to different people. Sure, your .22 or your .303 I can understand. But take a movie like Bowling for Columbine, the guy at the start with his M16 which he kept at his house always readied. Why the **** does a civilian need an M16? And his analogy with baseball bats and cars is mediocre at best.

Everything else he says, IMHO, is perfectly valid. Unfortunately usually when you read one of these rants they have so much nonsensical content as to become farcical. Nice one KorpDeath ;)

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They dislike homosexuality because they fear it, because they don't understand it, because they are insecure about their sexuality, because they have been brought up with the belief that it is somehow morally wrong.

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I spent sixteen months in prison, every minute in the fear that some joker would knock me
on the head and put his pecker up my butt! I guess I have the right to have a phobia.

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Why the **** does a civilian need an M16?

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The constitution doesn't say you have freedom of speech only if they decide
that you need to say something. It also says "the right of the people to bear arms".
Arms means weapons, not just a deer rifle or a 22 cal pistol.
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Two quick notes.
1. He's a senile old conservative and this sounds very much like something he would say
2. He didn't say it, see this http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/rooney.asp

Also note that a lot of the text was originally attributed to George Carlin he didn't say it either.

Good catch. I didn't bother to check. Kudos for you. It still makes sense no matter who said it.

And, yes, "shoot your sorry ass..." is not something Andy Rooney would say on 60 minutes; but I'd like him to.

Genrealy I don't believe any quote I read on the net....I just hope Snops and AFU are acurate as I let them do a lot of the fact checking for me...those people have way too much free time

As I was reading the post KorpDeath, I was thinking it was quite interesting, but that there was no way in Hell it was Andy Rooney that spoke it. From the other posts, I see I was correct, but it was a great conservative rant. Maybe it was Dennis Miller? I have always viewed Mr. Rooney as an antiquated A-hole.

http://www.amusingquotes.com/h/m/Dennis_Miller_1.htm

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...d/a126554.html

Some of this I agree with other parts, no.

On the subject of A-holes.

Personally I feel that Denis Leary's A-Hole song sums it up best. I have to wonder though:
-> Could this song apply to whomever - no matter the country, if you are a self-proclaimed A-hole?
-> Even though it is a man based song, I wonder if women feel it could apply to them if they wanted?

http://www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?id=65855

In case the link does not work:

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From the album "No Cure For Cancer" - Denis Leary

[Spoken]
Folks, I'd like to sing a song about the American Dream. About me. About you. The way our American hearts beat down in the bottom of our chests. About the special
feeling we get in the cockles of our hearts, maybe below the cockles, maybe in the sub-cockle area. Maybe in the liver. Maybe in the kidneys. Maybe even in the colon,
we don't know.

I'm just a regular Joe with a regular job
I'm your average white suburbanite slob
I like football and porno and books about war
I've got an average house with a nic hardwood floor
My wife and my job, my kids and my car
My feet on my table, and a cuban cigar

But sometimes that just ain't enough to keep a man like me interested
(Oh no) No Way (Uh-uh)
No, I've gotta go out and have fun
At someone else's expense
(Oh yeah) Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

I drive really slow in the ultrafast lane
While people behind me are going insane

I'm an ******* (He's an *******, what an *******)
I'm an ******* (He's an *******, such an *******)

I use public toilets and piss on the seat
I walk around in the summertime saying, "How about this heat?"

I'm an ******* (He's an *******, what an *******)
I'm an ******* (He's the world's biggest *******)

Sometimes I park in handicapped spaces
While handicapped people make handicapped faces

I'm an ******* (He's an *******, what an *******)
I'm an ******* (He's a real ****ing *******)

Maybe I shouldn't be singing this song
Ranting and raving and carrying on
Maybe they're right when they tell me I'm wrong

Naaaah!

I'm an ******* (He's an *******, what an *******)
I'm an ******* (He's the world's biggest *******)

[Spoken]
You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible, hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior and big brown
baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah! And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115mph getting one mile per gallon, sucking down quarter pounder cheese burgers from
McDonald's in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam containers and when I'm done sucking down those grease ball burgers, I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the
American flag and then I'm gonna toss the styrofoam container right out the side and there ain't a God damned thing anybody can do about it. YOu know why? Because
we got the bombs, that's why.

[Spoken]
Two words. Nuclear ****ing weapons, okay?! Russia, Germany, Romania - they can have all the Democracy they want. They can have a big democracy cake-walk
right through the middle of Tiananmen square and it won't make a lick of difference because we've got the bombs, okay?! John Wayne's not dead - he's frozen. And as
soon as we find the cure for cancer we're gonna thaw out the duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off. You know why? Have you ever taken a cold shower? Well
multiple that by 15-million times, that's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be. I'm gonna get the Duke and John Cassavetes...
(Hey)
and Lee Marvin
(Hey)
and Sam Pekinpah
(Hey)
And a case of Whiskey and drive down to Texas...
(Hey, you know you really are an *******)
Why don't you just shut-up and sing the song pal!

I'm an ******* (He's an *******, what an *******)
I'm an ******* (He's the world's biggest *******)

A-S-S-H-O-L-E Everybody! A-S-S-H-O-L-E

[Barking]
Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf
Fung achng tum a fung tum a fling chum
Oooh Oooh

[Spoken]
I'm an ******* and proud of it!

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So last time I was at a bar with the guys (about ten years ago now while in college) We broke out into a rouseing rendition of the A-Hole song, trust me its a lot of fun to sing when drunk but a bad way to pick up chicks :)

The US constitution uses the words arms, not "weapons."

In the military, they are weapons, in the civilian arena, firearms.

Civilians in the US are not allowed to have M-16s unless by special license, could you have mistaken the firearm for the civilian non-automatic AR-15?

I teach firearm safety at a local hunter education program. If we are going to have a debate on gun control lets be accurate. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my firearms or bows have!

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I spent sixteen months in prison, every minute in the fear that some joker would knock me
on the head and put his pecker up my butt! I guess I have the right to have a phobia.

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In this case, wouldn't you agree that it moves out of 'irrational fear' into something a little clearer and more defined. Of course your case is an exception, but I'd be surprised if people couldn't understand your situation. Assuming you don't go around beating the **** out of gay people ;).

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The constitution doesn't say you have freedom of speech only if they decide
that you need to say something. It also says "the right of the people to bear arms".
Arms means weapons, not just a deer rifle or a 22 cal pistol.

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I understand your freedom of speech laws in the US. I also understand that your most high constitution says that the people have the right to bear arms. My question was why would a civilian ever need to be in possession of an M16. I'm not debating the validity of the ownership of the rifle under your constitution. With freedom of speech laws, I thought that one of the main points of them was to let the people speak out about the government without fear of retribution. Which is a good enough reason not to limit them (except for things like racism etc). What I'm looking for is a reason why someone should buy an M16. And not just the typical 'because they want to'.

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Civilians in the US are not allowed to have M-16s unless by special license, could you have mistaken the firearm for the civilian non-automatic AR-15?

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Yup, it was an M16 as anyone who has seen the movie can attest to. He was one of the guys in the militia style operation near the beginning of the movie. So I'm assuming he went to the trouble of getting a special license for a rifle which he has no legitimate reason for owning. I don't understand that, but then I'm not American. ;)

One's freedom of speech stops where another one's freedom of speech begins...

I need to weight in on the right to bear arms issue, I tend to be a pretty liberal guy but I fully support the NRA and think that any gun up to and including heavy machine guns and recoilless rifles should be legal. What people don't seem to get is the reason the second amendment is there, it exists because Americans have never trusted their government, and I would say rightfully so. We have the right to bear arm, not to hunt, not to stop a criminal but to stop the army from coming into our house and forcefully taking away all of our rights. If you want to see why America has lasted as a democracy for so long, with out falling to a governmental coup or overwhelmed by a totalitarian dictator look no further then the right to bear arms.

Man - I hate to just piecemeal quote, so I will limit it to this:

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"My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours." -"Rooney"

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This one I have to say I agree with, not only that but when our own citizens disrespect the country - including politicians, I feel that the service that I, my father, grandfather, uncles, father-in-law, and wife provided our country has gone to waste - and that infuriates me. If I ever catch a flag burner - US citizen or not burning our flag, they shall experience geek justice, "Renegade style." I will also extend that justice to anyone burning any other country's flag as well.

Last quote on this note by Negative:

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One's freedom of speech stops where another one's freedom of speech begins...

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Maybe it's just me, or lack of caffeine, but that seemed deep for this time of day to me. And now I just got a flashback from "Kung-Fu" T.V. show.

I have to agree with you vescovono. If I ever am faced with a flag burner I won't hesitate to dive right in and start kicking ass. Now keep in mind, I'm quite the pacifist. I don't believe that physical violence would solve anything but it sure as hell would make me feel better and more than likely they would end up with a few broken limbs.

Oh, yeah, and that goes for a crowd doing it or an individual. That's why I'm not traveling to the middle east or Asia anytime soon. ;)

On the guns issue I would like to say that I too have just started recently beleiving in the freedom that people should have the right to bear any arms. Before I used to think that if it was legal then criminals would get them and the killing rates would go up tremendously. But then I realized that the criminals using the guns can acess an M16 weather it is legal or not. And most of the time the criminals don't even have the money to get the guns one way or another. Now the only bad thing I can find with having the U.S. having the right to bear arms is that there would probably be a huge increase in dumbass kids killing themselfs with their daddy's tommy gun. By the way, I just wanted to add that here in Virginia any gun that packs more power than a rifle isn't even legal even though the Constitution says that we have the right to bear arms. Pretty funny how that can happen even though are country is suppost to be Federalist.
As for the flagburners, I'm in the club with you guys to go kick their asses, whoever it is that is doing it.

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Originally posted here by schoolsucks
On the guns issue I would like to say that I too have just started recently beleiving in the freedom that people should have the right to bear any arms. Before I used to think that if it was legal then criminals would get them and the killing rates would go up tremendously. But then I realized that the criminals using the guns can acess an M16 weather it is legal or not. [B]And most of the time the criminals don't even have the money to get the guns one way or another.[B] Now the only bad thing I can find with having the U.S. having the right to bear arms is that there would probably be a huge increase in dumbass kids killing themselfs with their daddy's tommy gun. By the way, I just wanted to add that here in Virginia any gun that packs more power than a rifle isn't even legal even though the Constitution says that we have the right to bear arms. Pretty funny how that can happen even though are country is suppost to be Federalist.
As for the flagburners, I'm in the club with you guys to go kick their asses, whoever it is that is doing it.

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They might not be able to afford them, but if you have one in your home they can break in and steal it while you are out and then they have one. I think that's where the problem lies.

I will say I agree about the flag burners.. I'll support their right to freedom of speech, but i'll beat them for destroying something I agree in.

If we wrote laws to prevent kids from hurting themselves we would be banning swimming pools, bicycles etc etc long before we got to guns.

I know that this action isn't shared by all gun owners, in my house guns are locked away in a safe, the ammo is locked up separately somewhere else. My neighborhood isn't in a state of seige so I can afford that luxury. Usually a dog barking is enough to drive off a crook.

You make a very good point fourdc, but the sad part is that a lot of the time people take less safety precautions with their guns than they do with their bikes or swimming pools... Also there is a difference between hurt and killed. If you were to play it based on odds.. compare the number of times a kid has found a gun and been killed, compared to the number of times a kid has been in a swimming pool and been killed. I'd bet the ratio would be higher with guns.

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One Last thought.

I will say that if everyone treated their guns the way you do.. Then gun control probably wouldn't even be an issue.

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KD the quote was interesting, regardless of who really said it. My take is whoever is whereever (is that a word? ;-) ) should respect the country, or state or city and its traditions rather than try to impose their own, espcecially if they have come from somewhere else.

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I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are
no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING
MARTHA BURKE?

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actually, girls are allowed into the boy scouts. the girl scouts are the only orginization left in America that isn't mixed-genederd. a girl can officially become a boy scout, but a boy can never be a card-carrying girl scout. also, the girl scouts, unlike the boy scouts, have no religious affilitation. and we have cookies! top that!

Gee, something has changed since I was a kid. Wasn't the name Girl Guides and not Girl Scouts? Maybe I stepped off the wrong cosmic teleporter - isn't this terra firma I? Darn, now my luggage has gone to TF III again.

actually, Girl Guides is an overseas thing. in the US, the name has always been Girl Scouts. in Australia and the UK and probably many other places as well, they're known as Girl Guides. and don't forget about those cookies ;)

Excuse me, but girls are allowed into Boy Scouts? I'm an assistant scoutmaster of a Boy Scout Troop and girls are not allowed in. Women (18+) are allowed to be leaders. In our council, even sexual orientation is NOT a disqualifier, don't ask don't tell.

I wish girls were allowed into Boy Scouts as I have 1 of each gender of children and the girl wants nothing to do with Girl Scouts as they are "too sissy" for her. (I might add this daughter Bow hunts with me.)

Explorer, Ranger and Venturing Posts are CoEd. The new program, Learning for Life is CoEd. But the Boy Scouts are not CoED

Fourdc is correct girls are allowd into explorerers but not boy scouts, but female leaders are ok. Also note that Boy Scouts as a national/regional organization is NOT affliiated with any religious organization, an individual troop may be but they may also linked to a school or any private organization.

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Originally posted here by HTRegz
I will say that if everyone treated their guns the way you do.. Then gun control probably wouldn't even be an issue.[/EDIT]

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That's not neccesarily true. A lot of killings happens because of the owner experience mental illness. In Norway, a small country with 5 million people, and one of the world's highest number of guns per person (everyone go hunting during holidays), this has become a large problem. Many are killed every year because of this.

The typical killer is male, unemployed (has lost his job), has relationship problems and kills under the influence of alcohol(drugs). He ususally kills wife/kids, then himself. As a scientist said to a newspaper a few days ago, "women often don't realise that quarreling with the husband after drinking alcohol may be just as dangerous as walking through a park late night".

My thoughts about this is that noone can be entirly certain that they are qualified for owning a gun. Mental illness isn't something you can control, with a little bad luck anyone can get it. For these reasons I will never allow anyone to store a gun in my house. One can argue that driving a car is much more dangerous than owning a gun. My reply is that you don't really need the gun. (Well, I suppose the hunters do, but if you have a gun for no good reason, you better get rid of it).

As for people saying they need the gun for protection, in Norway that's not a valid argument. If you shot someone breaking into your house you would be jailed, and burglars & thiefs don't carry guns anyway.

As for keeping guns to protect you from your own goverment, as bballad says, or keeping a gun for protecteing the country in case of an invasion, from a Norwegain point of view, that sounds insane. But you are Americans, different country - different opinions...

Here's a joke for you.

In England, 13 people die every year due to gunshot wounds in the entire country; now take New York where hundreds die due to guns.

This either means that gun laws work, or British people really couldn't hit the broadside of a freakin' barn.

I am guessing both, the brits can't hit the broad side of a barn but nethier can most americans. Have you ever witnessed a drive by shooting, the ganges can't hit a stationary target with automatic weapons (I have witnessed two, use to work as a tech for a head start proggram, its schools where in or near the projects.) We just have more bullites running around.

I wonder what the beating death tolls in England are?

I would venture to say the the SAS and SBS , (both British in origin, Australia has them too) can indeed hit the broadside of the barn. Perhaps you are merely referring to farmers with grandpa's shotgun?

I do beleive korp and I where refering to civilians...I don't doubt that the SAS can useualy hit the broad side of a barn.

Speaking of guns - our state, being now the 35th in the union to pass it, has just signed into a new law, permitting citizens to carry a handgun. Some of the restrictions include, adults over 21, no violent felony record, and a disallowment for certain mental disabilities. People wishing to apply also have to go through training and testing before a permit of that type is issued. Previously, local police chiefs had the discretion of who received handgun carrying permits.

I just hope the training includes target practice of first a barn then down to maybe a can on a fence.

I was referring to civilians and again I did mention it was a joke. ;) A Bobcat Goldthwait joke if want my source. (Yes, the loud guy from Police Academy, he's one of my favorite all-time comics)

About gun laws - Just remember "moderation in everything" even moderation.

I live in Vermont USA. Our state gets a poor mark with the anti gun lobby because we have very few gun laws. We have to follow the Fed laws but the state has basically one additional gun law, it's illegal to use a gun in a performance of a crime.

I might add that we also have a very low crime rate. Most gun incidents are hunting accidents.

Laws don't prevent or deter crime. A criminal who is facing hard time for murder, rape etc isn't going to care about another year or two because of an illegal gun.

Maybe that is the right point in all these gun discussions fourdc. Felons ALREADY have no regard for the law or others.

We have enough laws. We have too many criminals.

Where I live, youngstown ohio, has the highest murde rate per capita in the U.S. Gun laws havnt helped one bit. I can prob. get one in about an hour off the street. The point is, it doesnt matter how many gun laws are passed, the criminals will still be able to get them and do what they please anyway. I cant say i have an answer for gun control, but something needs to be done.

ck out this. So some can hit the barn after all.

ttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12965711&method=full&siteid=50143&headline=JILTED%20WIFE%20GUILTY%20OF%20MURDER

No matter who wrote this, it resonates with me. My personal favorite though is Paul Harvey . ;)


Good Day! :D