Highschool Girls Hazing?

Who knew that highschool students would be involved with hazing, i thought it was mostly college kids doing this sorta thing. The gist of the story is that a certain highschool in Illinois usually played host to a touch football game called "powder puff". The school discontinued this event, but the students carried it out on there own for the past couple of years. Apparently the "junior" girls submit themselves to a hazing ritual, at the mercy of the senior girls. The girls were hit with all sorts of nasty crap like fish oil and feces, as well as punches and kicks. Im only 20 and i have done alot of stupid crap, but for some reason this really pissed me off. Even though i felt for the girls who ended up in the hospital, i couldnt help but get pissed at them for subjecting themselves to this type of treatment. Heres a link to the story and the video.

Story
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86473,00.html

Video
http://www.foxnews.com/topstories/index.html


What do you guys think about all this, especially those of you who dont live in the U.S.

I don't know how the whole junior, senior thing works but I believe senior is your last year of HS, right? I think the school should fail every student involved... hold them back and force them to miss out on moving on to college/uni. In my HS we had initiations when you went into gr 9, performed by the gr 12 and 13 students, but they were nothing like this. Students who didn't comply sometimes took a few punches after school if they saw the person while walking home, but that was the extent of it, and none of our initiations were ever this brutal. Of course initiations were banned at our HS but that didn't stop them from happening. We'd force gr 9s to push penny's down the hall with their noses, or stand up in the caf. and sing songs.. stupid lil things like that.. no one got hurt and no one was worse off from it.

I'd really like to know what kind of people do these kind sick things.. I mean throwing human **** at people and paint and oil, and forcing them to open their mouth so you can pour it in... that's disgusting... The other day Tiger Shark posted saying he rested his case regarding Americans because 1 American had done a great thing, while I don't think this incident here speaks for all Americans, we (those of us who don't think to highly of the US) could easily turn this around and say this proves our case against Americans. I'm not saying it does, i'm just saying that you can't take one news story about a nation and say it proves your point, it doesn't work that way....

Anyways one last time, these people are completely sick and should be severely punished and possibly undergo psychiatric evalution.

I hear ya HT. Yes, senior is the 12th grade, then you can move on to college, or earlier if your smart enough/lol. I agree, criminal charges should be filed, and they should be expelled. However, since this didnt take place on the schools watch, they would be hard pressed to expell them i would think. Although some action was taken against those students who signed the "school code of conduct" form, most of those are students who are involved with sports and such. I think its time to reinitiate corporal punishment again! I had to undergo it, and it wasnt so bad.

It makes me sick to think that this kind of stuff happens. I mean how stupid can you get to actually allow someone to do something like this to you. I feel just as mad at the girls who were stupid enough to actually undergo this kind of punishment. Arggggg, I just wonder sometimes why people can be so stupid. I wonder how the Seniors will get punished. Personally I would let the Juniors through **** and other gross things at the Seniors. I also wonder why the Seniors would do this to the Juniors since I'm guessing they had the same thing done to them while they were a Junior. Wouldn't they figure out how dumb and gross it is and just stop that psychotic tradition?

Your right on target there schoolsucks. Yeah, the report says that this has been going on for a few years, so i take it they underwent the same treatment, but not to the extent these girls. Im with you on being angry at the girls who allowed this to happen to them, although i dont think they had any idea of the intensity. Despite all that, i would never let some punk throw something on me especially not feces. I was really surprised at the beatdown those girls got, they just showed some new video of this incident and there were girls throwing punches and buckets. Im 210 pounds and some of those punches would have probably have hurt me so..

The juniors also paid $35 for thier initiation.

I'm all for punishing the seniors involved. Their parents should be investigated for their involvement, that keg of beer came from somewhere.

The school district is trying to shed it's responsibility but he common uniting factor was the school. This wasn't a coming out party, this was you're moving up to senior in HS "party."

To say that none of this was planned on school property is ludicrous.

Its really odd how the first thing out of the schools lips, was "the students were using text messaging and cell phones to keep it under wraps" as if to shed all blame. On the same token, they questioned the students at school whenever they saw them in their yellow "senior" uniforms before this ever happend. If they were questioning them, they had to have known the incident was drawing near, thus they should have alerted the authorites to give them the heads up about it, and maybe they could of been on the lookout for them.

Haveing grown up and curiently liveing in that general area I figured that I could weight in with a little area knowlade. This is nothing new, every year the hasing has come close to or exceded this level of vioence (hell it was some of the senior's mothers that supplied the gunk to trhow on the juniors), the only difrence this year was someone spoke up after the fact. The school new it was going to happen and where it was, this is at the same basic time and place every year. Unfortunitly nothing will happen to the girls, they all come form very wealthy families and their parents would sue the pants off the school if they endangered their kids Ivey league college acceptance.

On another note I fell the juniors don't have much right to complain, they knew exactly what was going to happen. They paid $40 a head for the privlage of being hazed, and they will do the same thing next year when they are seniors.

Hazing can have its place..., but the problem is when it goes to far, becomes mean-spirited, or someone gets their panties in a bunch.

Unfortunately I have to show just how much of a dork I am in order to continue on with my example..., just a warning.
So..., for 4 of my highschool years I was in marching band. Not a pep band, an actual marching band with a rather stunning field show and pretty damn good music... (We did a Blood, Sweat, and Tears show that rocked...) In order to get up to par before the season we got shipped off for a week to camp. Camp consisted of 4 marching sessions a day and at least 2 music rehearsal. It was a ton of work.

One of the traditions was called "Rookie Day" this was our version of hazing. The rookies were woken up at the crack of dawn to get onto the field and find out their place on the food chain. They'd get introduced to the proper way to march, how not to smile or laugh when at attention, all those things that were required for successful integration to the group. And we had a lot of fun. 90% of the hazing was just playing up rookie day to be the worst thing ever before they got there, Of course strange things did happen, an upperclassman ordered me to wear a pink teddy over my clothes..., so the next year I gave a freshmen my pink teddy to wear, so the cycle would continue.

Then, a parent complained that rookie day was sexual discrimination..., I don't quite understand how, as everyone was treated equally, and if anything we were over cautious in making sure that noone crossed the bounds of harrassment (like I said this was a marching band so we were all dorks). And so it was ended. No more rookie day. This pissed me off when I heard about it. All freshmen used to get inducted in the same way, and the football team still has there disgusting hazing rituals..., but the band because someone's parents couldn't accept the fact that there little girl wasn't being treated like a princess the band has to lose its unity.
The biggest thing about rookie day was forcing everyone to intreact with the incoming freshmen. The end of rookie day, the president of the band (a senior) had to recite from memory the names of every freshmen member. If they didn't they had to run a foam bat gauntlet of the freshmen.

Of course, the band's hazing had been trimmed back before, apparently in the 80's it was a little more tenacious than it was 95-99 when I was there, but now it is totally defunct. I don't think we ever crossed the line, but it sounds like that highschool went too far, throwing **** is just not cool. Why isn't duct-taping someone to a tree enough? (I've always wanted to do that...)

Dhej

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(like I said this was a marching band so we were all dorks)

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I wish i had been one of those "dorks", i would of probably never laid a finger on drugs, had i been involved in some extracurricular activity. I guess my point is you probably were one of the smart ones in the end.

I'll give you an example of why. I quit school, to homeschool myself my senior year, I ended up haveing alot of free time, so i began to work in an hotel. I was involved with drugs and selling them etc... One day i was slipped something in my drink by one of the housekeepers at the hotel, and whatever it was it almost blew up my heart..... literally. The diagnosis after all this happend was i had a mild case of vtach, the doctor said" good thing this was a mild case, those with anything more...we usually tell them it was nice knowing you". Not the kinda news you wanna hear. I would recommend being a geek,dork, or even a dweeb over being a drug user, who thinks he's cool. Im 20 now, and if theres any younger ones in this forum, please learn from my mistake, it just might save your life.

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News Update:


I just saw on the news, that suspensions are being handed out to some of the partakers.

A suspension is nothing, they will still graduate with honors (most students graduate with honors you have to be a true moron not to), they will still walk, and they will still head off to whatever prestigious university their parents bought their way into. Most importantly this will happen exactly the same next year.

If the school hands out expulsions, or if charges are filled and stick then I will be impressed

I can tell you live in the vicinity bballad :D , i know what its like to live near some "ritzy" folks. They always seem to find a way to escape justice.

Frame and B, you know what makes me mad? at least one student is SUEING THE SCHOOL! and they're probably gonna win, too.

I hear ya. All the lawsuits flying around these days makes me sick. It's beginning to put doctors out of work, as well as many other fine folks. :(

johnnybluecrush,

Don't you realize that everyone is a victim..., if they have the money to pay for a lawyer. In my highschool, there were kids that couldn't get in trouble. Hell, they stole the mascot (a huge Mac bulldog, as in the trucking company) and because they were the kids of lawyers and business men, the threat of suspension was dismissed entirely.

Framework,
I know a lot of people with stories like you. I started hanging out at the diner in town at night with my friends and became friends with a lot of NA guys. One of which actually used to be in the marching band, but he disapeared from school to go to rehab after sophomore year and then finished at the mall school (but you gotta give him credit for graduating). They are some great guys, now. In highschool I would never have hung out with them, they would have scared the piss out of me, I can tolerate stoners, heroine and coke are entirely different demons.

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bballad, out of 260-ish, I was one of 20 to graduate with honors, the rest were a combination of the afore mention kids of lawyers and businessmen, and people that worked their butts off, and then me and a couple others that for some reason didn't try at anything but despite their best efforts to remain mediocre graduated at the head of the class. (A feat which I largely credit to Calculus, a class that I did not take but that managed to lower the GPA's of those ahead of me enough to put me closer to the top, MUAHAHA)

Um, yah, so sueing the school makes sense, lets take money out of their budget that they could be using to educate children. It would be a lot easier to vote out the School Board and then replace the administration, but nah, why do something productive, automaticly leap to the litigious urges.

Dhej

Sometimes sueing isn't for money.

In Milton MA, a very affluent town near Boston, a few years ago. A black man was sitting in his car with the engine idling waiting for his daughter to come out of a house where she was attending a shower, baby or wedding I forget. He owned an expensive Mercedes with MD plates (doctor).

Two of Milton's "finest" police pulled in back of him and before they were done harassing him had him handcuffed on the ground.

He sued, half a mil or fire the cops. The town chose the money and lost their case.

In Illinois the school administration could be sued for removal, no?

Since I posted last, I read the school district is suspending 19 students for 10 days and recomending expulsion.

One of the suspendies has filed an appeal to delay the suspension so that she can go to her prom. Do we not understand the word punishment?

No they don't understand punishemnt, these are kids that haven't heard the word no their entire life why would they listen now. The question I have is who is sueing the school, one of the hazed girls, or one of the punished ones? If it was the hazed girl's parents they are well with in their rights as this has been going on for 25+ years and the school knew about it. If it is a punished girl's parents I am not supreised but hoplfuly it gets thrown out of court. Don't feel too bad about the school though, in IL schools get money from local property taxes, this school is probalbly one of the wealthyist in the country and even if it looses a few Mil it will not be affected.

Personally I am disgusted just by reading the article. I went through high school, and they're were no hazing... well except for newbie cheerleaders, the ones on the squad would kidnap the ones who made the team, put lipstick all over their faces, and make them walk the mall in their jammies. But even this was with the girls parents permission. And even the cheer n00b's have fun. ....

But I would like to ask these girls a question....Who collected the feces in the first place?

The feces collection is what shows that this isn't a new thing/escalation that just happened this year. The seniors mothers collected the feces. They also supplied the beer. This has been going on for well over 20 years probably a lot more, and probably wont end after this year.

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But I would like to ask these girls a question....Who collected the feces in the first place?

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That's the million dollar question!

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The feces collection is what shows that this isn't a new thing/escalation that just happened this year. The seniors mothers collected the feces.

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If i ever caught my wife collecting feces, im not sure what i would do. Kinda scary, i'll make for darn sure she has enough of money to spend during the day, so she wont get involved in this type of crap(pardon the pun)/lol. :D

I wonder if a ethics class is offered at that school and attended?

I can't believe those seniors were so bored and pent up with the frustrations of life that throwing feces resolved any of that. I can tell you if my kid paid $35 to get feces thrown at them, and while I would be most concerned for their physical and mental health, they would still have some 'splainin' to do. Heck we could go to the zoo to watch the feces toss without hopefully getting hit by it and we could eat nachos -- well from a distance that is.

Also - just for GP, I would go after each of those seniors parents. Specifically, and I 'know' this is new, but just follow me - I would take a brown bag, fill it with feces, put it on each of those senior's parents house - right by the front door, light it on fire - ring the doorbell and run! Isn't that neat and inventive? No? - Well no sh1t! (pun intended), same thing applies to this hazing incident and hazing in general.

This incident confirms that the dumbass effect is alive and well in at least some of our upcoming generations, for both hazors and hazees.

i live in illinois and i never heard this story it ashames me to be in illinois just out of curiosity what part of illinois the link doesnt say but i was hoping you would know

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I wonder if a ethics class is offered at that school and attended?

I can't believe those seniors were so bored and pent up with the frustrations of life that throwing feces resolved any of that. I can tell you if my kid paid $35 to get feces thrown at them, and while I would be most concerned for their physical and mental health, they would still have some 'splainin' to do. Heck we could go to the zoo to watch the feces toss without hopefully getting hit by it and we could eat nachos -- well from a distance that is.

Also - just for GP, I would go after each of those seniors parents. Specifically, and I 'know' this is new, but just follow me - I would take a brown bag, fill it with feces, put it on each of those senior's parents house - right by the front door, light it on fire - ring the doorbell and run! Isn't that neat and inventive? No? - Well no sh1t! (pun intended), same thing applies to this hazing incident and hazing in general.

This incident confirms that the dumbass effect is alive and well in at least some of our upcoming generations, for both hazors and hazees.

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Ha! I enjoyed your entire take on this vescovono, well said. Your pun might have been a little better than mine. :D

You sound like a better dad than i had, i was lucky to get 10$ to play at the track down in Gulf Shores for the night.