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Guys,
I just thought you wanted to know about this so...
This guy got crazy!!! :mad:
More info HEREQuote:
A Cleveland man named Biswanath Halder, who claims his Web site was destroyed by a hacker, took hostages at gunpoint on the campus of Case Western Reserve University on Friday. Tragically, the hacking victim killed a young postgraduate student at the university, Norman Wallace aged 30, and wounded two others when he fired indiscriminately in an apparent fit of rage...
Bye,
DKRR
Damn... you'd think he'd be smart enough to at least backup his work if it was THAT important to him...Quote:
Halder, like many misunderstood geniuses...
That guy is nutz.
and what exactly do you consider "crazies"
¿How could he be considered a geniuses? He was purely mad! If he was so smart, why couldn't he keep a job or at least do something rather than be on disability for years? And why would his "life be over" for someone hacking his website. A smart person would keep many backups of their work (like Tampa said), especially if it's taken their entire lifetime! I donno, this whole thing just sounds really weird! And a very sad loss! I feel bad for the family who's kid was shot over this BS!
~ AciD
:fpissed:
I often get called "crazy" but I am by no means insane...Quote:
and what exactly do you consider "crazies"
its everyone else that is insane... I'm the ONLY sane one!!!! :p
Acid: Have you ever seen the movie "A Beautiful Mind" or "PI"?Quote:
¿How could he be considered a geniuses? He was purely mad! If he was so smart, why couldn't he keep a job or at least do something rather than be on disability for years? And why would his "life be over" for someone hacking his website. A smart person would keep many backups of their work (like Tampa said), especially if it's taken their entire lifetime! I donno, this whole thing just sounds really weird! And a very sad loss! I feel bad for the family who's kid was shot over this BS!
Just cause they are considered a geniusus doesn't mean that they have common sense... or in touch with what we call "reality"...
ironically the guy with the secret to peace lost it.
as far as referring to "crazies," it's not a politically correct term, but i'll leave it at that. on the other hand, this article specifically mentions a need for psychiatric help, and the fact that the guy was on a disability pension (which could be for any # of things, from missing fingers to, you guessed it, mental health problems.)
TampaBay, it's no more right to make sweeping generalizations about the mentally ill than it is to make them about any other group of people. His behaviour is inexusable regardless of what type of mental illness he may have (and I will bet you anything he is either bi polar or schizophrenic) but that also does not give you the right to assume all people who suffer from disorders similar to his will behave in the same manner he did.
I really appreciate your retraction. Thank you.
Deb
i apologize for using the term, and should have been more PC ...
<sincere> i hope i didn't offend any-one</sincere>
I know most people who are geniusus have a problem with fitting todays standards. But I mean I just don't understand how someone can be called a geniusus, yet seem so disconnected from reality and all of the standards that are set into place.
Phish, I have seen "A Beauitful Mind", which I thought was a very touching movie. I understand what point you are trying to get across, that's not what I'm trying to argue. I guess I just did not exactly word my post well enough. It doesn't seem that a geniusus would be going around killing people over matters like what happened, or not being able to keep a job and living off disability. Just sounds like the guy was simply out of his mind, or mentall sick, not a geniusus.
That's my view though, I am probably wrong though.
< edit > I'm sorry to whom ever is negging me over this thread. I am simply just giving my point of view of the term being used here. "ummmmm yeah, whatever" doesn't help me to understand what I'm doing wrong to upset you. </edit >
I just want to share a few names with you.
Francis Ford Coppola
Buzz Aldrin
Abraham Lincoln
Art Buchwald
Patricia Cornwell
Tim Burton
Patty Duke
Kitty Dukakis
Darryl Strawberry
Ben Stiller
Oksana Baiul
Fiona Apple
Barbara Bush
Jim Carrey
Sheryl Crow
Queen Elizabeth
Sarah Ferguson
Tipper Gore
Anthony Hopkins
Billy Joel
Elton John
Do you know what all of these people have in common? They are all bi polar. As am I. Do not make judgements about intelligence levels or worthiness to society based on whether or not someone is mentally ill. Most people who are mentally ill are of above average intelligence and have a very hard time fitting into societies norms. This still does not excuse shooting someone. However, at least I am fortunate enough to be able to afford psychiatric treatment. This man wasn't. Which STILL doesn't excuse shooting someone. But do not make assumptions that just because someone is mentally ill, they cannot be a genius, or make huge contributions to the world you live in. Making generalizations or assumptions about people who are mentally ill only continues the prejudice in our society. Not calling me a "crazy" has nothing to do with PC, and everything to do with common courtesy and respect for another person.
Deb
I'm in total agreement. To me if someone is bi-polar, or lazy, or whatever... each person lives their life their way. I think if someone is super smart and bi-polar, but still knows right from wrong is a fine person. It's when you get someone like this who goes shooting someone for the reasons they did, the term geniusus just doesn't come to mind, you know what I mean? It sounds as if they are using it as an excuse for their actions or something. More and more I think in today's life that people are using everything they can as an excuse or reason for their actions, rather than just admitting to having a problem. But people who have problems (mental or otherwise) does not mean they are bad people.
But that's how I see people, each person for themself. I make my mind up on how that person acts more than caring if they are super smart, super stupid, have one eye, 12 fingers, etc.
im not sure if this really counts as bipolar sounds to me like its just a website protecting their own, wheres the article form the citys paper i bet they paint a differnt picture of the guy that shoots innocent ppl. Just my opinion
genius: n 1: someone who has exceptional intellectual ability and
originality [syn: {mastermind}, {brain}]
2: unusual mental ability [syn: {brilliance}]
3: someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field [syn: {ace},
{adept}, {sensation}, {maven}, {virtuoso}, {hotshot}, {star},
{whiz}, {whizz}, {wizard}, {wiz}]
4: exceptional creative ability [syn: {wizardry}]
5: a natural talent; "he has a flair for mathematics"; "he has
a genius for interior decorating" [syn: {flair}]
Genius is an intelligence level, just as mental retardation is. It has no bearing whatsoever on what a person does with that intelligence.
And I really hope that was a typo...bi polar or lazy?
As far as using it as an excuse...I think I've said before, and I will again...mental illness it NOT an excuse for violence, or any other type of behavior. However, left untreated, the possibility remains that someone may become violent. It will take entirely too long to put it all in here, but there are different types of mental illness, even within one umbrella name for one disorder. And each of those types have different symptoms. However, in some illnesses, delusions of grandeur (discovering the secret for world peace) and paranoia (thinking that one person/group is out to get you and sabotaging something very important to you, I.E. a website you've worked very hard on) and uncontrollable rage (going into an office and randomly shooting people you think may have been responsible) are definate symptoms of an untreated mental illness.
Deb
debwalin,
Are you some kind of genius or something? ;)
Where do you get your answers and opinions from? :D
Just kidding, bye,
DKRR
I truly believe that if he had been treated for the obvious mental problems he was having none of this would have happened it seems to me that due to his mental condition and the loss of a website that seemed to be the only way for him to release the mental torment he was experiencing, I am not saying its right that he did what he did just believe it could have been prevented
It’s the narrow mindedness of the general public that gives people with mental health problems a bad name
If you've ever seen books like the punisher or the executioner then you'd already know what was going on in this guys mind. But come on a website? Gezz.... honestly I don't think he was bi-polar or crazy... I think that lame loser just needed a life or needed to get laid or something.
http://www.halder.ws/ <---his homepage
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ed...th%2BHalder%22 <---other news
If I find anything else I will post it. Obviously looking at his homepage, you don't see anything about keys to saving the world. This means that he was dilusional. Most probably schitzophrenic (spelling sucks) but not guaranteed. That does not justify the actions that he took by any means.
While it is tragic that theese events have ocured it is in fact , sadly, reality. Its time for the world to take off its rose colored glasses. Theese kinds of things happen. Was the guy a genius. I dont know. Whas there something wrong inside his head: i would have to say yes. The fact of the matter is that if he went through with theese kinds of actions then in his head it was perfectly fine. Thats something to think about for anybody out there who thinks nobody realy gets hurt when we "play" hacker. I am not saying this guy was justified in his actions but deranged or not he was driven to them by something. The moral of the story shouldnt be weather the guy is crazy or not. It should be that next time all you "HAXORS" out there begin to think about defacing a site. Think twice. You never know when the guy on the other end is gonna be just like this guy. You wanna go in take a look, fine i cant blame you. But leave things the way you find them.
Im probably gonna catch some flack for this post but thats fine. Anybody wants to flame me for it go ahead. Because if it makes even one person think twice about destroying somebody elses work then its worth it.
on a chart i saw if your IQ is above 130 you are a genious.
Your IQ Test score was: 146
woot im smart
Average: 85 - 115
Above average: 116 - 125
Gifted Borderline Genius: 126 - 135
Highly gifted and appearing to be a Genius to most others: 136 - 145
Genius: 146 - 165
High Genius: 166 - 180
Highest Genius: 181 - 200
Beyond being measurable Genius: Over 200
EDIT:
i wanted to point out most serial killers are in the genious level IQ area too.
well if u put urself in this man's shoes..
HE has something to offer that nobody wanted. so he used the internet to BROADCAST his ideas. then suddenly it all went falling apart coz some delinquent hacker deleted all his years and years of work. I know it maybe his fault for not backing up his stuff. but slight consideration here, it was all he had and it was taken away from him. ofcourse he would be really mad.
and i do find him smart since he managed to track down the hacker (something even the government is having a hard time to do).
I didn't see anything mentioning that the guy he killed had hacked him...Quote:
and i do find him smart since he managed to track down the hacker (something even the government is having a hard time to do).
He supposedly thought* that he was hacked by Shawn Miller.
EDIT: Corrected by souleman.
If he was mentally ill... I'd bet that he had no idea who hacked him.Quote:
Halder's anger centered on university employee Shawn Miller, a school computer-lab assistant Halder believed had hacked his site, thereby destroying his life.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2198106/detail.htmlQuote:
Halder would write about destruction on his Web site, and there were anonymous postings calling him a moron, and a making fun of his fake hair and fake teeth.
One posting said, "People around you don't like you, so take a hike and get out of our lives."
Looks like they locked down his website... I can't get to any contnet... all access denied.
Sad story...
makes you feel bad for both parties involved... more so for the guy who was killed... but also for the guy who tried to do it the legal way had the door shut on him at any/every avenue that he took. I'm in no way saying what he did was right...
Just sad all round.
The guy he killed was NOT the person that he accused of hacking him. Neither were the other 2 people that he shot. The guy he accused was in the building, but it was never proven that that guy had commited the hack in the first place.
The killer warned the goverment and the school that if justice wasn't reached, innocent people would pay for it.
One of the more complete accounts of the man and events leading up to the trajedy can be found here:
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...5719257251.xml
Many people believe there is a very fine line between "social normalcy" and "the dark side" in most of us, if not all of us. Sometimes it takes a freight-train to move a person to violence, other times in another situation we might be moved by an unintentional nudge.
Now that's a disturbing story.
Im sorry... Im not a murderer so I guess that somehow lowers my IQ stat. 'eh? All I was saying is if this guy had the mental power to grab a weapon and go on a rampage cause of what happend to his PC/sites then this guy is obviosly a sick loser who if anything else needed a life not just help.
I mean come on, man... Pills would have helped "a little bit" but sounds to me like all the guy needed was a life and a chance to talk to real peaple instead of yelling at text on some screen all day and whispering cuss words whenever someone 'he thought' was stabing him in the back would walk by.
i cant believe some of the things im hearing on this site.
THERE IS NO REASON TO KILL SOMEONE FOR HACKING A SITE! PERIOD.
wanna hack my site www.c0refx.com?
go right ahead. I STILL WONT SHOOT ANYONE.
he is crasy he is insane you dont take that bs measure. period end of discussion.
Core WTF are you going on about.. You havent read half the posts..
In insane person is someone who has lost the sence of reason, the knowledge of where the fine line is, the very fine line in the grey the fine line between right and wrong. And when they cross that line it isn't a slight excursion like a sunday afternoon outing, it is more like the total commitment of the Roman Legions to England or Palastine. or is it the difference of a cat and dog spat to the complete invasion and occupation of another country (no political comment here)..Quote:
I have spent most of my life on the edge of oblivion, walking the fine line between light and darkness
What is normal in the sanity debate? It is the person that is able to hold it together in a socialy acceptable manner every day..
it is a fine line. come across some time (oh which side.. go to far either side is bad in our society)Quote:
Insanity is to continually do the same thing repeatedily for years and expect a completly different outcome.
Genius is being right and getting the different outcome.!
hmm I wonder if this thread has become too philosophical and should be in COSMOS, and Core could have a point..
ok cheers
Guys,
If the guy "followed" the supposed "hacker" through courts, warned the government, warned the school, etc., i can't believe nobody realized about the potential danger they were treating with. What someone has to do so others can realize he/she is dangerous?, even more if he was supposed to be mentally ill, maybe, i'm saying just maybe, he showed some sign of "madness" (maybe not). Anyway, some people never learn this thing happen until they happen, and some times when they happen they still don't learn about it. I'm tired of hearing people killing other people in schools or anywhere.Quote:
Originally posted here by souleman
The killer warned the goverment and the school that if justice wasn't reached, innocent people would pay for it.
My opinion is that someone should have realized about this. You see the movies and they showed you how the "almost-perfect" police, SWAT, FBI, )just examples, hope you understand) resolve the most-impossible cases and bla, bla, bla... but once we talk about reality it is TOTALLY different, "no, we couldn't get the killer in time, hewas soooo inteligent, we just needed one more clue and bla, bla, bla again... Anyway, is just my opinion...
Bye,
DKRR
So-called peace for all mankind. He can't even practice it among hisself how can he advocate to anyone else. It does seem to smart to me, it seems he never thought it would happen. "Everyone who reads the site will be under my will." Seems like that might be what he was thinking. Instead of taking security concerns into mind.
One who fails is one who failed to plan!
people be crackin all the time, now its over his lifes work, i mean thats what most people crack on is there jobs.