Truth about Bowling for Columbine

This article raises some very good points that do call into question whether Moore's Oscar should be awarded to another film. For all paranoiacs there's links everywhere supporting everything that the guy is saying.

It does appear that Moore's 'documentary' was more an exercise in misdirection than a truthful, objective piece of work. I'm not naive enough to believe that Moore's bias didn't come into play, but this page shows that it is prevalent to the point where it moves from 'biased' into 'deceptive'.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Two questions then: Are Moore's actions in this movie ethical? and should the Oscar be awarded to another film if it is proved beyond all doubt that his intention was to deliberately deceive and misdirect the film's audience?

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I can't say that i have followed Micheal Moore very closely, or that documentary, but i do remember a guy on the new's that was talking about how he was using quotes from people, but he was just taking much of them way out of context.


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This is the same guy who want's most American's to pay atleast 70% on every dollar earned to the government, not the kinda guy i'm taking too seriously in the first place.

Mr. Moor has a long history of messageing the truth for his documenteries this is nothing new, this dosn't mean we should take away his oscar. Its a meaningless award, and is being given to him because he was wrongly passed over for "Rodger and Me" those that deserved this oscar will get one for a later movie and whoever deserves it then will have to wait.

Look the Oscar's are just movie stars patting other movie stars on the back. Screw them and their Oscar's.

Bowling for Columbine was a joke and so is Michael Moore. He's just pissed because he doesn't look like George Clooney, so he uses his meager intellect to try to twist popular attitudes to his whim.

He blames everbody but the people who should take the blame. Any good parent will tell you that.

I've always thought of myself as a HUGE Michael Moore fan and a strong supporter of what he has to say. BUT...just lately it seems like he's lost sight of his goals. He's more about promoting himself rather than revealling the "awful truth".. ;)

I even had to put down "Stupid White Men" as I found a little boring and once again I thought it was more about how great Michael Moore is rather than politically insightful.


Come on, Michael....time to "keep it real" and focus on what's important......

FAQ, I gotta disagree with you, I read "Stupid White Men" and although I did think it was a bunch of crock-**** (excuse my language), it was not boring at all. Moore is an excellent writer, he knows how to twist words around to make them to favor him. He understands that people will not agree with him unless he pokes fun at people so that is his basic theory, he makes fun of a person and turns people's views around with ridicule rather than fact.

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FAQ, I gotta disagree with you, I read "Stupid White Men" and although I did think it was a bunch of crock-**** (excuse my language), it was not boring at all.

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I thought the material was good....just written poorly. Moore seemed to be more interested in promoting himself rather than push home the evils of the Bush regime... :)

Anyway, it's still one the bestsellers list so it's obvious there aren't too many of us that think it's a little boring.......... :o

I think KorpDeath put it best when he said this:

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Originally posted here by KorpDeath

Bowling for Columbine was a joke and so is Michael Moore. He's just pissed because he doesn't look like George Clooney, so he uses his meager intellect to try to twist popular attitudes to his whim.

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As for the evils of the Bush regime... I think he blasted Bush and his little followers incredibly... my signature is actually a quote from the book. He does an excellent job making Bush look bad... my favorite is that list of *Incredible* things Bush has done in his short reign as "President."

I thought the documentary was great. Just brilliant. Yes, I can't deny it way biased,
but I also could not deny the truth in it. :thumbsup:

People who watch the film are well aware that some of the things said in the film
were out of context. It's obvious! Any idiot could have figured that out, those where
the funny parts. :rolleyes:

With the things he took out of context, he was also trying to show them as monsters,
which they are (the NRA). So what if they canceled a meeting, what good does that
do? It does nothing. They do little to help inforce or promote back ground checks
and other safety precautions.
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The point of the film was that guns do kill, and it is far to easy to obtain one these
days. I have gone to gun conventions and gun shops before (my B/F love them, go
figure) and it disgustingly simple to get a weapon. No background checks, no
nothing. Just a transaction of money and that’s it.

I have reported these things, nothing has happened. I have tried to get in contact
with the ones that run the conventions and shops, but they refuse to take my calls.

Yes, I have even tried to contact the NRA (which my B/F is a member of), and when
I get a hold of someone and they ask what this call inquires about, they say they'll
connect me, but the ring is never picked up or the secretary hangs up on me. My
B/F can get in contact with someone, no problem.

The person who made that little page understood little about the mechanics of
Moores film style. And in that, he mistakes, and assumes for the majority of his rant
in that provided link. He also (like Moore) seems to have his own bias.

We also have to remember this documentary is from his perspective. And as we all
know, perspectives differ.

Moore got his message across to million with this documentary, and that scares
many people including my B/F.

Just the truth and my opinion.
'Chelle

Michael Moore, yeah i know him, this is the same guy who wants many americans to pay 75% of their paycheck to the government. I'll take this guy seriously when Hillary writes a non-fiction book.::ha-sign:

why don't people tell funny, or original jokes anymore? :withstupi

Ha, oh please Green bird, i'm pretty sure i came up with that on my own. Is there something you would like to inform me of. :sleep:

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I can back up my little "joke" with facts if you like. Whatcha say? ;)

"Ha, oh please" Framework, you did not come up with that.

I've heard that Hillary joke more times than I care to count. I heard it twice (counting you, 3 times) today on those news networks, and it never fails to show their lack of originality or humour. Their over used, ridiculious puns show that. :D

Some people are not as funny or original as they believe them selves to be.

But, to each their own. :thumbsup:

You can "back up your joke" if you want, but it will just be from biased sources, and even those will be questionable. But I was commenting "on your joke ". Nothing else.

Have you already read the book? I haven't yet, and I doubt you have either. You'll just be going off of other people's assumptions. When I read the book (and when you have too) talk to me about it then.

Take care suga'

'Chelle

Ok, i deleted my response to your last post. I am working on humility, it's not as easy as it sounds.

PS: I did too come up with that line, and if you hear anyone else using it, send them this message for me: You owe FrameWork royalties for that line. :D

Much love. :)

back on topic... i do want to point out... whether bowling for columbine was a documentary in the truest sense of the word, and whether or not it deserved documentary awards is not the only relevant issue involved. even if you take away the award, there were many good points in the film. as for untruths and propoganda spreading that he has been charged with... you really can't believe either side fully... you can't fully support him nor can you fully oppose him in my opinion becuase both sides are spreading propoganda, both sides stretch the truth... i say if you look at the film as an opinion film and from an unbiased stand point it does rasie some good questions even if some of the facts are skewed.... well that's my 2 cents... i'll be quiet now before everyone gets pissed

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People who watch the film are well aware that some of the things said in the film
were out of context. It's obvious! Any idiot could have figured that out, those where
the funny parts. :rolleyes:

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You'll have to excuse my stupidity. But then, how am I to know that the factory at the start made rockets for satellites? He painted Heston as some sort of devil, when that is anything but true. My point was not about the message of the film - it was about the dishonesty throughout the film. This deception in turn colours the truth of what he is saying, since it's only there to enhance the 'story' and to help his film be successful (NRA & KKK, the constant degradation of Heston's character etc).

he never said that the nra and the kkk were connected officially... he implied

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he never said that the nra and the kkk were connected officially... he implied

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I didn't say that he said they were connected officially. He has not actually lied at any point in the film. But the misdirection he employs is purposefully deceptive and dishonest.