Net? Free? Open? What BSD

What BSD Is best.

I have tried all 3 now and I would have to say "I don't have a clue"

I have however gone to the trouble of downloading them all.

www.freebsd.com
www.netbsd.org
www.openbsd.com

The Total for this download is 1.4GB (Scary eh)

At the suggestion of other AO site members (Jinx - ZoneWalker) I have made this available on DVD-R at the price of £10 including delivery.

This is to cover the blank DVD Envelope and Postage. (Not Making Profit)

I am prepared to leave this on my site for a week. (takes flippin ages to burn the DVD and I don't wank to have to keep looking out the original)

I know this was covered in another forum earlier this week but I feel It should have a fresh one so people can leave a little feedback to confirm receipt of DVDs etc.

I also feel it would be good to cover everyones experiences with each BSD

The Site : http://itdepartment.0catch.com

So the question remains What BSD is Best ?

heh so your selling BSD distros ? and your in glasgow and only a tenner PM me ;)

It took me ages to download all these ISOs.

I wouldn't want anyone else to suffer the same.

IT kept breaking at 400 mb on one of them.

The idea is to benefit the community not line my pockets.

P.S any money left over will be spent on pizza.

why not just contribute by paying the ISO/DVD from the maintainers? personally, i do like working with freebsd.

-w0rm3y

O.K I will split the change from these between the 3 maintainers.

3 gone so far.

The idea was that it saves 3 seperate downloads or purchasing 3 seperate CD Sets

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Originally posted here by mark_boyle2002

www.freebsd.com
www.netbsd.org
www.openbsd.com

So the question remains What BSD is Best ?

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And as usuall, the right answer is... depends!

(This info can be found pretty much anywhere BSD related, but in short...)
FreeBSD: x86 optimised (faster), easier install and somewhat more friendlier, huge port tree/package, supports SMP, great for fast web servers and desktops...

NetBSD: runs on anything!, supports SMP (limited I believe though (biglock?)), too me, it does feel like NetBSD lacks direction, it really just feels like "general purpose".

OpenBSD: Security oriented (paranoid really :) ); great security features like secure by default installs (minimalist install), propolice (buffer overflow detection/protection, very little suid progs, chroot everything possible..., rather unfriendly install (to newbies) and manual patching/administration (source patches and builds), doesn't support SMP (will run but not use second (or more) processor(s). Great for secure network services (firewall ("pf": awesome firewall), ssh, www, dns, mail, routing...) and makes a good secure desktop too.

This is pretty much the classic answer...


Ammo

Just finished downloading REDHAT (Shrike)
Just Finished Downloading College Linux

I will update my page with the same shortly.

PM me if your intrested,

I have almost every distro and I keep them in case any friends want them for the cost of the CD-R's. Full OS's for less than a few bucks. Sometimes, I just give them away. Ahhhh the beauty of open source....

I would say freebsd it runs alot faster and is very stable

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Originally posted here by DeadAddict
I would say freebsd it runs alot faster and is very stable

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Hmm...that might not be an accurate statement. In the hands of a good administrator, each one of those distros can run at blazingly fast speeds. Performance is not just in the hands of the OS creators. It is in the hands of the administrators to tailor each distribution to his/her needs on site. With proper streamlining even Windows can become a lean, mean, servin' machine.

That being said, I would say that FreeBSD is probably the best bet for many simply because it has a larger support base than the other open source BSD's. You'll find a bigger community using FreeBSD, and the last time I looked FreeBSD had the largest ports tree compared to the other two. Beyond that, I haven't seen any one feature from any distro that screams out over any other.

Openbsd- "unfriendly install (to newbies) and manual patching/
administration (source patches and builds)


Nah OpenBSD it isn't hard or unfriendly to install :) what's hard
about it? just make your openbsd partition type w to write to
mbr go into disklabel size your partitions for root,swap,tmp,var,usr
home then type q it will say for example no changes it writes
them to disk then you configure networking download the
base files configure you time zone and your done :)
I like installing with the cdrom it gives me a chance
to setup OpenBSD's pf firewall and configure tripwire and
tighten things up before exposing the system to the net.

Trust me if people read the OpenBSD manual everything
is explained clearly.

Doc

(Ok, not sure if this is supposed to be sarcastic or not, but...)
The keywords in that quote would be "to newbies".

Hey, I mean, I absolutly agree that once you know what you're doing, it's a very straight forward process; but don't try telling me that having a newbie run disklabel won't be overwhelming for him!

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Trust me if people read the OpenBSD manual everything
is explained clearly.

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I'm a 100% with you on that. OpenBSD has the best man pages and FAQs ever! In comparaison, NetBSD's doc sucks big time!

Ammo

O.K Guys,

The first BSD disks arrived at their destination Yesterday. You can contact zonewalker on here if you need a referee or feel dodgy about ordering from me.

Jinx - You should get yours soon but your a bit further away.

As I mentioned I also have the redhat ISOs now as well as college linux which I will ad to the ISOs disk.

Check out my page where you can order them through paypal.

http://itdepartment.0catch.com

heh... well being as I've been mentioned... I can confirm that I have received the DVD from Mark yesterday. Considering I only put the order through on Tuesday night I'd say that's pretty good going (cheers Mark :D) - but for those of you in other countries you may have to wait a bit longer depending on the state of your postal system.... but I'd be fairly confident in saying that Mark will have sent it if you've asked for one.

The three BSD distros that have been mentioned (Free, Open and Net) are on there as iso's with the exception of OpenBSD (?my memory has turned to cream cheese all of a sudden - help us out here Mark will you!) which contains all of the required files. I've only had a chance to burn the FreeBSD distro to disc but it works and I have installed FreeBSD to a spare box already - well at least as far as the command line - have yet to get into X but I think I might have screwed the video/monitor settings so I have to check that when I get home tonight.

Other than that everything is advertised as seen.... all I've got to say is thanks for the speedy service Mark :)

Z

It seems that one of the distros does not provide an ISO so I downloaded all the required files and put them in a directory with a .txt file listing all the files to burn to CD.

I will put clear instructions on the website

http://itdepartment.0catch.com for those who don't know it already.

True roswell1329 I should of worded my statement a bit more carefully and thought it out a bit longer before posting

O.K guys happy linuxing to those who have already bought the disk.

I am going away this weekend so I will process all remaining orders e.g weekend ones on monday and post the disks then.

I burned off an extra 3 today so provided no more than that order they will be shipped monday.

the url again. http://itdepartment.0catch.com

I have downloaded more distros and added them to the linuxing DVD/ISO Collection.

Slight Increase in price due to quantity of Disks.

Latest
Open BSD
Free BSD
Net BSD
College Linux
Red Hat Linux
Connectiva
Debian
Gentoo
Knopix
Lycoris
Mandrake
Slackware
Suse
Trustix
Turbo
Yellow Dog

3 x DVD Set with all isos £20 including postage world wide.

P.S I am not doing this for profit but for the good of those community members who don't have Broadband or those who don't want to download 16gb to try different distros.

Watch out with suse... They don't offer iso's for download for a reason (except the live thing)... I don't know how or in what form you put this, but altough it's open source, you aren't always just allowed to sell complete iso's... Maybe I'm really wrong here, but a friend of mine wich does the same told me something like it. Just some friendly warning.

And to go on on the BSD part a bit more. Everything has been said already by ammo. My personall favorite is openBSD while I often advise freeBSD to friends, because that one seems to be pretty popular. I thought netBSD had to biggest ports archive... It's just about what you want to do. I use openBSD for a server, but I won't use it for a desktop. It may be 1337 etc, but if it works almost as good if I just get some prepackaged two minute install thing, I don't bother. Time's money sometimes and openBSD's (very good for a paranoid server admin) mentality of disabling everything by default can be time consuming.

I will add at this point once more that this is not being done for personal gain.

I don't want to make any money from this. I am just a generally nice guy and don't mind helping out others.

I took the distro's which came in live version and compiled isos using nero by the way.

It doesn't mather wether you gain anything, you sell them anyway. You can only have a suse cd if you bought it, else there's only a ftp install possible... And I believe (so not 100% sure) copying those cd's isn't allowed, in the case of suse...

neel> I think SuSE is still under the GPL, and sell you the CD's for revenue. If one was to do an FTP install, I am sure you csn make ISO's and redistribute them. However, I think you cannot redistribute the "commercial" versions with proprietary software with non-open source/freeware licesnses.

I think that since they give it away free anyway for download that me copying a few ISOs to help my friends at antionline isn't a big issue.

Anyhoo. Its people like us who recomend these products for purchase to our companies etc therefor I'm actually doing them a favour as well.

I did mean the commercial version because that's the only cd version out there. I know, like I said it's avaiable for download and I know about GPL etc. etc. I just heard of my friends it isn't legal to copy htose suse cd's. I don't care for whatever purpose you do it, I just want to say it's illegal to do so. They probably won't sue you for it or anything and I don't give a **** whatever you do. I just say it ain't allowed. That once was one sentence I need to waste 3 posts for to make clear.
You could go to any linux download site... for instance www.linuxiso.org and you won't find any suse iso's. The cd's cost money, the files are free, the compilation of the files on a cd cost money, the compilation of yer own cd from the ftp server is free. I didn't think that up.

neel> calm down. I lub you anyway.

Let's do lunch and drink a beer to SuSE.

O.K,

The Distro Disks I compiled now have a few new Items on them (12gb Approx)

1. Net Bsd
2. Free Bsd
3. Open Bsd
4. Redhat Linux.
5. Suse Linux
6. Connectiva
7. College Linus
8. Turbo Linux
9. Knoppix
10. Gentoo Linux
11. Mandrake Linux
12. Slackware Linux.

Slight Increase in price to cover the number of disks needed. £20 for the lot including postage to anywhere. (members who are closer will be paying the balance on members who are further away.)

Any other distros or huge downloads you want to see added to the collection PM me or post in this forum.

Yea howabout XENIX? or maybe DOS? BeOS?

Meh. I like OpenBSD the best. But that's just my pref.

That is all.