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wow, linux so difficult!
:confused: Ugh... linux, the greatest operating system but the downside on my butt is that its too damn hard to understand! I'm posting because I need some help setting this here redhat 9 on my box. The first problem I experienced was that my sound didnt work so I bought a new sound card and it works. I needed to install the new nvidia drivers but I cant because "x" has to be closed. How am I to install it if it wont let me have x open? Wow. I still cant get my drivers to work. Heres what I type and heres what I get:
a) I type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run"
b) This is what I get:
"ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
installing. For further details, please see the section INSTALLING
THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver
download page at www.nvidia.com"
Now surely you dont expect me to waste my precious time and go to the site. Well im not that dumb, I did and it doesnt explain anything else besides close x and stuff. Man I need some help.
Another problem I have is that I have all my files on my seccond hard drive which has a ntfs partition and it worked fine on windows but on linux, it doesnt seem to read it. Here is the thing where it says all the other things that people would want to know. If you find out what I can do to get my seccond hard drive up, i would be very greatful. Please help me if you know how
LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1
LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,r
o 0 0
I still have more problems like how to get windows games runnin here and how to freakin get my ethernet dsl modem to work on RH9. Its an alcatel speed touch home ethernet. Looks like a square box, if you know how to install, please help.
...yeah, runnin red hat 9
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oohhhkkkaaayyyy....... this could - will - be long, and require a lot more help than I'll be able to give you right now, but here's a quickie: (sorry if some of this is obvious to you, just saving some trouble)
1: X server is what runs all the fancy GUI stuff you see (such as KDE and GNOME window managers). The nVidia drivers you are trying to install alter some of X's configuration, therefore X has to be shut down. To do this you run the command init 3 (or runlevel 3) which will put you into a command line screen. There you do the sh ...... .run command you typed earlier. This will do a few things and when it finishes you type init 5 (or runlevel 5, whichever worked before). voila, installed.
2: linux, at the current moment, does NOT natively support the NTFS file system. You may be able to get some progs to do this, but these may corrupt your windows partition.
3: Windows games do not run well in linux, and if you have windows installed, the best idea is to run windows programs in windows. If you really want to run windows progs in linux, you will have to do a lot of work and even then, they will run nowhere near as well, if at all. Some games do have linux versions however (search the archive, something about linux games was posted recently)
4: I can't help at the moment with the modem, but it is possible, and if none of the other excellent users/administrators can help you, I'll see what I can do tomorrow (have to get off really soon, SATs tomorrow)
Note: I'll also see what can be done about the NTFS support tomorrow. Linux may be difficult to get started with, but its worth it in the long run. Also tell me if it would be to much trouble to try fresh installs from the beginning, and some system specs (such as how much space does linux have). Till tomorrow, good luck.
EDIT: hmm, I seem to be slightly off today....pay attention to the guy below me, he says much of what I said better (though my warnings still apply, I believe)
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Don't despair, your problems are easy to solve, everyone had them (or similar) when migrating from windows.
1. To install the drivers, yes, you will have to kill the X server. If you automatically log into the X server upon boot (X is the windowing system, a gui for the os) then just hit control-alt-backspace and you should get dropped into a command line interface (CLI) From here just type the command you mentioned in your post and it should lead you through in a DOS-looking environment.
2. To see your windows drive, type the following--mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
Mount is a command. -t ntfs is the filesystem type. /dev/hdb1 is the hard drive and partition that windows is stored on (it might be slightly different for you, you should be able to see the two hard drives recognized in the clutter during boot) /mnt/windows is the directory (folder) that you will be placing (mounting) your windows drive in. Be sure you create it (anywhere and any name will do) before you give the command.
3. To run windows games in linux, you will need a separate program, such as wine. Google for it, it's all over.
4. The dsl, I don't know. I have cable and haven't run red hat much. Sorry
Good luck and stick with it. Sooner or later ;) you'll be glad you did.
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I have RH9 too, so I took a quick look around. For your DSL go to K menu > System Tools > internet configuration wizard. Haven't used it, but it may be what you're looking for.
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If I may comment on the Windows game in Linux. There is a way to make them run fairly decently (or so a student tells me). Check out WineX. There is a $5/month subscription fee but apparently it runs the games quite well and he said it was worth paying (this from one of my poorer students).
For the DSL, start with the DSL HowTo. I helped a friend a few years ago with this (about 3!) and have a foggy memory of it being fairly straightfoward.
Lastly, Linux may seem difficult now but have patience. There is a learning curve to it and it requires a little more attention than Windows does but it does pay off in the end.
Hope this all helps. :)
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The Alcatel Speedtouch (USB) is a very common device here in the UK - I know several people who have it working with Linux.
Unfortunately it's not straightforward, as there are (I believe) three *different* Linux drivers for the device (one from Alcatel and two third party ones) - but they all work. To make matters worse, this device has to have software downloaded into it, which is made by Alcatel and copyrighted and shipped with their driver. Hence the third party drivers still need the Alcatel package just to extract the embedded software.
If you want an easy option, SuSE supports this device out of the box, I know one person who's got it working.
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Originally posted here by slarty
The Alcatel Speedtouch (USB) is a very common device here in the UK - I know several people who have it working with Linux.
Unfortunately it's not straightforward, as there are (I believe) three *different* Linux drivers for the device (one from Alcatel and two third party ones) - but they all work. To make matters worse, this device has to have software downloaded into it, which is made by Alcatel and copyrighted and shipped with their driver. Hence the third party drivers still need the Alcatel package just to extract the embedded software.
If you want an easy option, SuSE supports this device out of the box, I know one person who's got it working.
Finally someone says try SuSE.
Yes SuSE supports alot of hardware right out of the box, My soundcard and NIC were supported and configured themselves after the first boot. Also 8.2 professional says something about supporting NTFS so thats another home run. Also, there are DSL tools and if you install it with picking witch packages you want you can search (yea you actually can search for software during the install and make sure its there, and also you can make it list every program on the DVDs or CDs and make sure everything you want is on there)
Also, when i updated my Nvidia drivers, i did it with X running and when i was done its the only update you have to reboot for, after it downloads and installs while X is running you reboot and its done. I didnt have to even reboot after a KDE update. Which the SuSE updater grabbed itsself.
http://www.suse.com
take your hat off, hang it on the hook, and get a pet lizard :)
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its alright man, you are on the right track, just remember: Unix is a relavitvely simple operating system, you just have to be a genius to understand the simplicity :)
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"I still have more problems like how to get windows games runnin
here and how to freakin get my ethernet dsl modem to work on RH9."
Hi
If you want to run all of your Windows stuff word processor/ your games/
Quicken/Outlook Express hassle free allow me to suggest you purchase a
copy of vmware www.vmware.com it's not free about $100 but it will save you
alot of grief and pain it can run the entire windows os within a linux or
unix window you don't have to reboot the computer just click on your
Windows desktop in Linux run your favorite app and voila no rebooting
to other partition required :) I run it on my BSD desktop works great.
Doc
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bleh... most people dont understand that my dsl modem is not the usb version. I clearly said I had the Speed touch home ethernet modem, and incase you were looking in their website and happend to see the picture of it, I mentioned square type looking box. I know what the usb version looks like, I had it untill I gave it to my friend. anotherthing, wine is up and running but i still cant run exe's or my windows games. In fact i dont even know how to work wine or how to use it. I dont know what im doing! lol. Im getting pretty use to linux and its becoming my favorite now but if only I had suse. When I tried it, I had no problems and linux was all that was on my mind those days until I found out that I couldnt install or do anything on the trial version =\. KeyserSoze you were a great help with the hard drive part but... I had no idea what you told me to do. Incase you reply, keep in mind that its a seccond hard drive which has the ntfs partition but no windows installation. (I started the installation but I lost my cd key! hehe, another windows flaw.) If anyone can help me get that hard drive working, I dont know what I would do, i'd scream! lol j/p. Yeah well suse is a great os that i want and if anyone knows an ftp where i can get the latest versions on iso then please reply. ty.
WTF!!!!!!!!! neolithium got my password (I was at he's house yesterday and I logged under my name and it save) I will let him know this was happened, It is suppose to be neolithium's question sorry to confuse you
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My desktop is 6 years old. I downloaded both Mandrake and Suse 8.2 evaluation. Under normal install, Mandrake installed the way I wanted but just like you the sound would not cut on. Suse 8.2 ran off CD and found every device connected.... so I wrote the modules it found for future reference.
Other than the USB printer, that was the second biggest pisser. Motivated by a destroyed windows 2000 CD, I searched google for very helpful hints. Turned out ALSA sound drivers were installed but since I downloaded OSS/open source, it corrupted my modules.conf file. This in turn made 'sndconfig' choose an off-the-wall driver. With that speciali post, I had to manually reconstruct the modules.conf to launch the correct driver when probing. This finally worked and I am happy. Even voodoo3 Glide worked off first chance. Now I can do some productive work on this machine. USB printer stalls from time-to-time however, on the notebook with XP, the pages shoot out like I was in an industrial printing plant. The desktop is a MMX beast. Strange thing about this, the desktop is 233mmz and the notebook is p3 1ghz. I spend 85% on the desktop now. I'm happy...Linux keeps you on your toes. Fluxbox and Icewm are my desktop choises... a tad faster.
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doodz...just checked the thread and saw your post. PM me if this does not explain what you need, I am not sure what part you didn't understand and what part was helpful.
1. To see your files that are on a drive with a ntfs filesystem, you have to "mount" it. This is a command that tells linux to start looking at a filesystem. The basic format for this command is:
mount -t filetype locationoffiles whereyouwantthem
So, like I suggested, you should be able to see them by creating a directory somewhere (anywhere) on your linux box and then giving the mount command that includes the location of the hard drive. On my machine (a single hd dual booting xp and mandrake) my hd is listed as hda, and the windows partition is #2, and my directory that I created is at /mnt/winpartition. So I give the command mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/winpartition Voila, just like they were always there!
My guess: if your second hard drive is the primary slave, it's hdb. If it's the secondary master (like my vector box) it's hdc. I don't know of a command (if there is one) that will tell you what yours is, but there's not too many combinations it could be. If there is only one partition on the drive it would be hdb1, hdc1, or whatever.
btw, if you add a line to your fstab, it will automatically mount at boot. :D
also, open up a shell and type man mount. It will give you some info. And always love google. ;)
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oh yeah, that text that d00dzattackin wrote was mine, I was accidently under his screen name. who knows how that happend...?!?! muhuhahahah j/k
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aha...I thought that was what the refernece was to but wasn't for sure
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me thinks M$ has installed a brain sucking vortex prg in all its windaz versions.. when you work with it long enough if it hasn't sucked your intelligence right out, it will have turned your Brain to Mush.. that is my prob.. I think, ??? wait while I find another brain cell to rub together..
In other words, I wonder if we shud ask the powers that be if a Linux Help. forum wouldn't be a Goooood Idea? cause shite guys I read as much as I can to counteract the M$ brain sucking Vortex.. or do I just need to deal with a bit of 4-20?
I know I shud have thrown this into another thread.. but the security threads are not the place for these types of questions.. but considering.. it is currently the nearest..
Cheers
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uhhhhh, uhhhhh, right-0 mr. undertaker! what ever your meant lol. Keyser, I mande a directory under mnt called windows and this is what I typed and this is what I got.
[root@localhost gamer]# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
mount: fs type ntfs not supported by kernel
Now isnt that a bother? lol. I went to some website to get the ntfs support thingy but I installed the i386 by mistake because I have an Athlon proc and I dont know how to uninstall it. When I tried some commands it would usualy just hang like most other commands do. Just like the nvidia drivers I have, durring its installation it just freezes. Not the whole computer freezes but just the installation of the nvidia drivers. So I get the older drivers and i find out theyr not rpms anymore! So I type make or make file one of those and this error comes up:
[root@localhost Desktop]# cd NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4050
[root@localhost NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4050]# make
You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with
a compiler different from the one that was used to compile
the running kernel. This may be perfectly fine, but there
are cases where this can lead to unexpected behaviour and
system crashes.
If you know what you are doing and want to override this
check, you can do so by setting IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH.
In any other case, set the CC environment variable to the
name of the compiler that was used to compile the kernel.
*** Failed cc sanity check. Bailing out! ***
make: *** [gcc-check] Error 1
more bother... linux is such a pain. Now I know its wrong to defend windose but windows never has this problem. neither does it have ANY of these problems I have with linux. Or maybe RED HAT SUX!!!. I remember when I had suse, now those were the good days. I was online the same day and everything worked. But it was a live-eval. lol. If anyone knows an ftp or something where I can get the suse iso's for ummm, 8.2 i think i'd be very greatful.
So yeah, back to drivers and ntfs hard drives. If some one wants to help me do these things (access my computer and do it your self) then go ahead. I just found out how to conenct using my ETHERNET dsl modem so its all gravy. I have this service running that my friend made me install called sshd. I know its an ssh server thing but i havent touched it or made accounts or none of that basicly cuz i dont know. To tell you the truth i dont know how to open programs I install. I would usualy go to run in the taskbar menu and type the name of the program and hope it opens lol. Write back plz!
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www.justlinux.com
www.tldp.org
Two websites no linux newbie should be without.
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Originally posted here by neolithium
more bother... linux is such a pain. Now I know its wrong to defend windose but windows never has this problem. neither does it have ANY of these problems I have with linux. Or maybe RED HAT SUX!!!. I remember when I had suse, now those were the good days. I was online the same day and everything worked. But it was a live-eval. lol. If anyone knows an ftp or something where I can get the suse iso's for ummm, 8.2 i think i'd be very greatful.
(Vodka on IRC?).
It's not wrong to defend windows however you are comparing apples to oranges. Yes both are fruit but they taste so different it really doesn't make sense to do the comparison. On windows, they hide a lot of what you need to do. In addition, everything needs to be "pre-compiled" before you install things. With Linux you have the ability to alter any program you want to install (for the most part -- aka 99.999%). I know you are coming from a windows background but you do need to let go of what you understand from there to a degree. As I mentioned to do there is a difference between those that understand and those that just do. Those that understand learn how to trouble shoot, go with the flow and can pretty much find a solution to any problem. Those that just do poke and prod. If it doesn't work, oh well give up. I think you are in the first category. You've come this far.
A little research using the power of Google can go a long way.
NTFS -- http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ (Heck, I didn't even know it's now a simple RPM install until I did the search for you).
Now, as for Red Hat.. ya. It's extremely likely they are sucking with version 9. You could check to see if anyone has Suse 8.2 and can burn it (I don't use SUSE so sorry, I can't help that way) but I wonder if that will open other problems.
You may also want to check into LUGs in your area (Linux User Groups) as well as Magazines and other sites. Rather than saying it sucks or it's horrible, get to understand what's going on. I suspect that your understanding of hardware, operating systems and networks will go up expontentially.
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for the nVidia drivers:
1: did you completely exit X?
2: they do not install immediately, give it a minute or two (or more if you have a slower machine).
If you've done both, I'm not quite sure. They installed perfectly into RH9 on both my athlon and pentium using the sh <filename> command.
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I boot winxp and red hat 8. I recently switched to cable (and can't get the cable to work) but I had dsl before with alcatel usb speedtouch. I tried all 3 drivers mentioned above and never did get the thing to work. Just thought I would let you know you're not alone. Man I can do anything with windows. I know it inside and out but I started on linux about 6 months ago (on and off) and it boggles me too. Just so different. It's kind of like leaving a game your really good at to start a new one you can't even play. Just feels awkward and clumsy.
Anyway...... keep trying and I am sure it will pay off. To many people like linux for it not to be great.
