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I was curious to people's views on the two.
My own personal opinion is that MS is a Piece of S... I do n't really like it.
I was raised on it and when I found Linux I t was like my Holy Grail. You don't control anything in MS. Which really sucks, I was just curious.
Not to mention XP.
So many of these Polls, So little time.
On one hand Microsoft is better because more people are familiar with it than Linux, and it is also more compatible with a lot of your programs. XP PRo did improve a little bit as far as stability goes but I still believe thatt Linux has microsoft beat.
On the other, I believe that Linux is a more stable OS. But it takes some learning if you've never used it before, but its a good OS to know.
I'd suggest to edit the poll to add an option like "like both of them"
I realize you are new.... but I apologize.... I had to neg that..... It's a thread that we've seen 100s of times... and I know many of us are sick of seeing it... If you had read the faqs and watched the site for a little while... maybe even searched first.. you would have seen this...
Secondly you never justified your claiming that Linux is better than MS.... A claim which is completely Untrue..... I can do just as much and prolly a whole hell of a lot more with my XP install than you could dream of doing with your linux install..... Someone made the statement before it's like comparing apples to oranges..... give up the anti-MS **** people... like seriously... if you can make the OS work for you than you are the problem.. not the OS.....
My simple basis for stating that Linux is better then MS is simple based on a couple facts.
1. Linux is free. (free)
2. MS is rather expensive (200)dollars worth
3. The average MS user uses it just for Internet access nothing else.
4. The entire OS is written to limit the amount that you can do. Literally Microsoft released that the designed XP on the basis the it makes it harder for hackers to change things and at the same time when the do that they take away alot of your own control. Crap (fdixk)
Try to use your FDISK on XP you have to go threw hell to change it.
5. Linus might not be very user friendly but if you work at it after a while you will be ablr to manuver threw the system with ease.
6. You have a great amount of resources provided in Linux.
7. I won't even go deep into detail on the fact that if you are running anything before NT. Your
system basicly has no security a Noobie with a book can get into your system.
8. As everyone know that Windows believes in hiding things from people which is StOpid.
9. I belive that is enough to substantiate my claim. Anyother questions on why I stated that post post them and I will reply. I could keep going on. But I will end there.
10. But on the flip side if you are just using your PC net then yeah Windows is perfect very user friendly.
But me personally I started learning about computers and hacking because I was curios still am. But I have no problem being lost for a while to be able to control more of my system.
i dont really hate any of them ....every OS has it's good and bad sides ...
Ok..... here we go...Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
My simple basis for stating that Linux is better then MS is simple based on a couple facts.
1. Linux is free. (free)
2. MS is rather expensive (200)dollars worth
3. The average MS user uses it just for Internet access nothing else.
4. The entire OS is written to limit the amount that you can do. Literally Microsoft released that the designed XP on the basis the it makes it harder for hackers to change things and at the same time when the do that they take away alot of your own control. Crap (fdixk)
Try to use your FDISK on XP you have to go threw hell to change it.
5. Linus might not be very user friendly but if you work at it after a while you will be ablr to manuver threw the system with ease.
6. You have a great amount of resources provided in Linux.
7. I won't even go deep into detail on the fact that if you are running anything before NT. Your
system basicly has no security a Noobie with a book can get into your system.
8. As everyone know that Windows believes in hiding things from people which is StOpid.
9. I belive that is enough to substantiate my claim. Anyother questions on why I stated that post post them and I will reply. I could keep going on. But I will end there.
10. But on the flip side if you are just using your PC net then yeah Windows is perfect very user friendly.
But me personally I started learning about computers and hacking because I was curios still am. But I have no problem being lost for a while to be able to control more of my system.
1. & 2. These are the same thing.. It's a cost difference. The cost has nothing to do with the quality of the operating system, on the liscence under which it was released.
3. What are you basing this on?? This would be a better statement. "Many people user their computers for surfing the internet." I know many people who use computers (probably too many) and they do a hell of a lot more than surf the net. You have your hardware junkies who's only goal is to get the highest FPS possible on games. You have programmers and developers. I know many people that run Windows boxes entirely as servers. So don't just make a random claim and think it has some value.
4. I haven't seen any control that's been taken away from me. I have complete access to modifying anything about my system I want in the registry, in the executables themselves and in other places.. you just have to know what you are doing. FDISK is a dos app...designed for FAT File systems, so of course it's going to have problems with NTFS drives, if you set your XP disks to NTFS... but Computer Management and the Disk Management gives you something to use in it's place, and their are work arounds for fdisk. Don't say changing something like that is hard on MS and then promote Linux because Linux also has things that take work to accomplish.. It all depends on how bad you want it.
5. Who says you will.... I 've seen many people have problems with it, and at the same time I've seen people have problems getting around Windows. Hell if you install the newer versions of RedHat and Mandrake, they're almost completely userfriendly... Mandrake 8.1 even configured my DSL for me.. that's a long ways from when I was using RH 5 and had to do everything myself....
6. Please Explain?? If you are refering to system resources that has nothing to do with your OS.. if you are refering to programs... You show me a *nix program and I'll show you a windows equivalent.
7. Everyone says that.. Windows 9x had no security... you know what.. Who cares.. They also had nothing you could do to them... compare Slack 3 to Slack 8.. or RH 4 to RH 9... you'll notice the same things... Security increases on everything over time... I could take a Windows 95 box and disable file sharing and there'd be almost nothing you could do to it, beyond exploits.. and hell every OS has exploits...
8. And stuff isn't somewhat hidden on Linux?? There's documentation for both available.. all you have to do is read the documentation... That's the problem.. you figure Windows is a joke so you never read any documentation but then when you start running Linux you need to have documentation to figure it out.... So you just assume Windows doesn't have the same stuff because you never looked at it's documentation.
9. You haven't substantiated any claim yet.. but good try. If this is your attitude then I suggest you leave, because I for one don't want you around.. The entire idea of security requires you to have an open mind and apply new concepts.. yet you've already got an incredible bias.. I don't blame you.. it's the bias that most script kiddies have because they can't figure out how to run their kod.c in Windows... so Linux must be better.
10. If you don't have full control over your Windows system, then don't bother moving on to another OS.. because you are just waiting your time. I could show you more about computers and security on a Windows machine.. than you could ever hope to learn on your Linux box..
I suggest you grow up and lose the MS Sucks attitude because as you have proven.. you have no reason to hate MS.. you seem to know nothing about their OS....
An addition to HTRegz' comment on #8: go to your home directory and type 'ls', then type 'ls -a'. Go to your home directory in Konqueror, then go through the menus 'til you find "show hidden files and folders" (I believe it is in view). Linux hides files just as much as windows.
Oh you dumb ****.Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
My simple basis for stating that Linux is better then MS is simple based on a couple facts.
1. Linux is free. (free)
2. MS is rather expensive (200)dollars worth
3. The average MS user uses it just for Internet access nothing else.
4. The entire OS is written to limit the amount that you can do. Literally Microsoft released that the designed XP on the basis the it makes it harder for hackers to change things and at the same time when the do that they take away alot of your own control. Crap (fdixk)
Try to use your FDISK on XP you have to go threw hell to change it.
5. Linus might not be very user friendly but if you work at it after a while you will be ablr to manuver threw the system with ease.
6. You have a great amount of resources provided in Linux.
7. I won't even go deep into detail on the fact that if you are running anything before NT. Your
system basicly has no security a Noobie with a book can get into your system.
8. As everyone know that Windows believes in hiding things from people which is StOpid.
9. I belive that is enough to substantiate my claim. Anyother questions on why I stated that post post them and I will reply. I could keep going on. But I will end there.
10. But on the flip side if you are just using your PC net then yeah Windows is perfect very user friendly.
But me personally I started learning about computers and hacking because I was curios still am. But I have no problem being lost for a while to be able to control more of my system.
"Windows is expensive...200 dollars" And? So is Red hat Linux.
"4. The entire OS is written to limit the amount that you can do. Literally Microsoft released that the designed XP on the basis the it makes it harder for hackers to change things and at the same time when the do that they take away alot of your own control. Crap (fdixk)"
its only limited if you dont know what your doing it which case take your computer and shove it.
"5. Linus might not be very user friendly but if you work at it after a while you will be ablr to manuver threw the system with ease."
My ass, if mandrake was any easier to install it would give you a ****in hand job while it was installing.
"7. I won't even go deep into detail on the fact that if you are running anything before NT. Your
system basicly has no security a Noobie with a book can get into your system."
Anything before NT was NOT multi user, there fore no one can "get in" to your system unless you open a trojan.
"8. As everyone know that Windows believes in hiding things from people which is StOpid. "
because of people like you whod **** it up and call tech support. **** man get a Mac your making us look bad.
"9. I belive that is enough to substantiate my claim. Anyother questions on why I stated that post post them and I will reply. I could keep going on. But I will end there."
Prolly because you have no idea what your talking about. EVERY OS is as good as the person running it.
" But on the flip side if you are just using your PC net then yeah Windows is perfect very user friendly.
But me personally I started learning about computers and hacking because I was curios still am. But I have no problem being lost for a while to be able to control more of my system."
Yea remember now, Linux is actually multi user, so hope YOU are the only one in control if you can get it online.
"3. The average MS user uses it just for Internet access nothing else."
Actually Microsoft Office is used by millions of companies and so is Windows.
Quote:Hmmmm. . . . . let me think about this. . . . . someone is negged for his opinion. Mmmmmmm. :::sighs::: Give the guy a break. We cant expect these new members to know every single point about AO before they post. Can we? Hmmm? And HTRegs. . . it is his own opinion that Linux is better than MS. Opinions are like *******s. Everyone has one. And some of them stink. But thats his choice. He dosn't need to argue with you about his opinion. This is just starting to turn into a flame. So don't let it. :)Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
I realize you are new.... but I apologize.... I had to neg that.....
Secondly you never justified your claiming that Linux is better than MS.... A claim which is completely Untrue.....
edit: That includes you too Gore!
DONT RUIN MY FUN DAMN IT!!!!!!
Rowgy we gotta have SOME fun :(
Not at the expense of a new member. Is that any way for a Senior Member to treat a newbie? Hmmm? No.
Now, is that a way for a BOFH too? :)
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but an opinion should still be justified, not pulled out of left field.. I get attacked all the time for my opinions as Americans.. which I admit are mostly pulled out of left field..... but my reason for negging him was more for the uselessness of this post.... It's been posted a million times before, and there's no need for it to be reposted.. especially by someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
You saying you hate Americans? :(Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but an opinion should still be justified, not pulled out of left field.. I get attacked all the time for my opinions as Americans.. which I admit are mostly pulled out of left field..... but my reason for negging him was more for the uselessness of this post.... It's been posted a million times before, and there's no need for it to be reposted.. especially by someone who has absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
Hate is a strong word.... I believe we went over this before.. and you agreed with me... I feel Americans have a very bad stereotype and for the most part a lot of them like to live that stereotype..
Speaking about incredible bias:Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
9. You haven't substantiated any claim yet.. but good try. If this is your attitude then I suggest you leave, because I for one don't want you around.. The entire idea of security requires you to have an open mind and apply new concepts.. yet you've already got an incredible bias.. I don't blame you.. it's the bias that most script kiddies have because they can't figure out how to run their kod.c in Windows... so Linux must be better.
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Originally posted here by HTRegz
Hate is a strong word.... I believe we went over this before.. and you agreed with me... I feel Americans have a very bad stereotype and for the most part a lot of them like to live that stereotype..
The wise words come from Roguespy, please HTRegz before deciding who belongs here and who not, think twice.Quote:
This is just starting to turn into a flame. So don't let it.
I hope the AO search function will become more powerfull and widely used... on the otherside, a good oldfashioned flamewar with partial truths and complete bullshit can be amusing ... bleh. Step away from your boxes, be it windows, linux, unix, BSD, irix,... whatever; take a deep breath and say something you like.
Anyway HTrez your basic idea has some truth in it, if someone is going to hate and exclude certain options, then he or she isn't on the right path. Like for instance I have a good feeling when I get my uber server to recognize my raid controller and work properly in Linux with Raid-5, and be able to print, fileshare, ... but with Windows 2K it was only a question of putting in a server install disk (like Compaq smartstart) and choose win2k server... all OS's have their pro's and con's...
Mine isn't a bias...... I give every American I meet a chance...... I hate America.... but that's based on your government, your laws, and the news I see coming from your country..... I grew up on the Canada-US border.. I encountered Americans daily... the 19 and 20 year olds that couldn't drink in the US would come over, get completely tanked and drive around picking fights and causing problems.... I'd deal with them in business and in my personal life and the results for the most part weren't good. They'd come over, and think they were king **** and be completely rude while on foreign ground.... I don't liek the attitude most people develop groing up in America..... If whizkid's opinions had been formed on an experience even close to that.. I wouldn't question them.. but he has yet to give any valid evidence.. just a bunch of falsehoods...
My question to you would be why think twice??? Honestly if a person has no concept of how computers really work.. why would we want them around? This is supposed to be a place to learn, but this is also a serious computer security site. If he wants to form opinions like that there are plenty of Computer Newbie boards floating around the net.. I'd rather be a part of a community that has intelligent, educated members, than one who accepts anybody and has to deal with the riff raff. Which is why I still think there should be a test just to gain membership to AO...
lol, I think my governement isn't exactly bests friends with the US today... ;)Quote:
your laws, your governement
ok, now you have a point... one shouldn't post opinion crap like that...Quote:
This is supposed to be a place to learn, but this is also a serious computer security site. If he wants to form opinions like that there are plenty of Computer Newbie boards floating around the net.. I'd rather be a part of a community that has intelligent, educated members, than one who accepts anybody and has to deal with the riff raff.
Sorry.. I'm used to defending my opinion of Americans to Americans... :)Quote:
lol, I think my governement isn't exactly bests friends with the US today...
I was not getting mad I don't get mad. I was simply stating my opinion and a small basis of fact I really didn't put more then 3-5 minutes on that retort. As being able to control any and everything on your MS I will stick with my previous statement that MS is bad at that. But at the same time I might be a script Kiddie but I am one that is well read. Thanks For the Negs
-71. WOW to be honest I would personally say that you were getting offended. I thought that this sight was for learning but if your going to Neg me simply for my opinion that's not learning. But I understand I have looked around in the sight and I know more about how this
Sight works so I will research any topic before I post it. So in that aspect it is a learing experience. Live and Learn.
In an enane attempt to take away some of the people that are pissed off at me I will post a quick tip.
On Xp if you need to try to do anything with your Hard Drive with out buying a Partitioning Program. Go to help and Type Computer Management.
Next we have Your registry I am sure that most people know what it is but for any Brand New Newbies your registry is Basicly the (I don't know should I really say Program) Program that controls your computer know with this, like all things on your computer there is a good side and a bad side to this if you learn to edit and change your registry you can change just about anything that you want on your computer it is very powerful, But very easy to mess-up. Small note for any Newbies before you go around changing things in your registry go to google and learn something about your registry first and second back everything up trust me I have messed up my registry plenty of times my type-os or just messing up. Know if you want to find your registry go to Start->Run-> Then type regedit.
Last but not least for anyone that uses Visual Basic, there is a hidden Visual Basic Program in Microsoft Office (Know there is probably someone saying what is Microsoft Office it is a grouping of programs that you have to buy from Microsoft usually encluding Excel, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Access and sorry I can't remember the name of the other I think it is Microsoft Outlook or something like that. But to find the Hidden program got into one of those Programs and press Alt-F11 and the hidden program will open. One of the main reasons I recommend that you don't open any emails from a person that you don't know that has one of the formentioned programs.
I personally think that those could be helpful for anyone. Any questions about those post them here and I will reply if I can.
Remember smile don't sweat the small stuff and it is all small.
I can simply put my opinion as Gaming and Performace is more important than programability and security. XP home run's perfectly on my computer, I run a firewall and anti-virus just incase, and i have yet to be hacked. I don't care as much about tweaking my OS as much as i do tweaking my BIOS to squeeze the most FPS out of my comp. Yeah, Linux would make a good OS for a server, but Windows makes a good OS for gaming.
Just one small request... hit that spell check button before you submit stuff or proof read it.... I hate typos..... and I know many other people do as well..Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I was not getting mad I don't get mad. I was simply stating my opinion and a small basis of fact I really didn't put more then 3-5 minutes on that retort. As being able to control any and everything on your MS I will stick with my previous statement that MS is bad at that. But at the same time I might be a script Kiddie but I am one that is well read. Thanks For the Negs
-71. WOW to be honest I would personally say that you were getting offended. I thought that this sight was for learning but if your going to Neg me simply for my opinion that's not learning. But I understand I have looked around in the sight and I know more about how this
Sight works so I will research any topic before I post it. So in that aspect it is a learing experience. Live and Learn.
In an enane attempt to take away some of the people that are pissed off at me I will post a quick tip.
On Xp if you need to try to do anything with your Hard Drive with out buying a Partitioning Program. Go to help and Type Computer Management.
Next we have Your registry I am sure that most people know what it is but for any Brand New Newbies your registry is Basicly the (I don't know should I really say Program) Program that controls your computer know with this, like all things on your computer there is a good side and a bad side to this if you learn to edit and change your registry you can change just about anything that you want on your computer it is very powerful, But very easy to mess-up. Small note for any Newbies before you go around changing things in your registry go to google and learn something about your registry first and second back everything up trust me I have messed up my registry plenty of times my type-os or just messing up. Know if you want to find your registry go to Start->Run-> Then type regedit.
Last but not least for anyone that uses Visual Basic, there is a hidden Visual Basic Program in Microsoft Office (Know there is probably someone saying what is Microsoft Office it is a grouping of programs that you have to buy from Microsoft usually encluding Excel, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Access and sorry I can't remember the name of the other I think it is Microsoft Outlook or something like that. But to find the Hidden program got into one of those Programs and press Alt-F11 and the hidden program will open. One of the main reasons I recommend that you don't open any emails from a person that you don't know that has one of the formentioned programs.
I personally think that those could be helpful for anyone. Any questions about those post them here and I will reply if I can.
Remember smile don't sweat the small stuff and it is all small.
Sorry I was typing rather fast. I will spell check my work from now on. On another note I actually do unerstand your view on America being an American. Americans are arrogant and you can tell when ever you look at any news clips.
But yes I do believe that if This country (i.e America) is to survive we have to simply stop being a.. holes we believe that we are the best at everything. Generally we are NOT.
About the laws let me give you a different view take a look at our laws from the point of a Black Male. D... you start to dis-like them alot more. But you also have to think about the unwritten law DWB. WWB. TWB. Driving While Black, Walking While Black, Thinking While Black.
Oh the last thing I am a General Noobie but I read alot so my 3 year plus of reading has let me find alot of interesting things.
Wow! What else is hid in MS Office? I remember the Doom style game in Office95Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
Last but not least for anyone that uses Visual Basic, there is a hidden Visual Basic Program in Microsoft Office (Know there is probably someone saying what is Microsoft Office it is a grouping of programs that you have to buy from Microsoft usually encluding Excel, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Access and sorry I can't remember the name of the other I think it is Microsoft Outlook or something like that. But to find the Hidden program got into one of those Programs and press Alt-F11 and the hidden program will open.
And there was a get away game where u drive a car in the one after that.
That was the only cheat that I found I was playing around with MS Word and I found it.
Though I do remember that there is a special hidden program in Excel. It is basicly a Free Walking program where you just basicly walk around can't see your self. But it is kinda cool.
If you give me a couple days I can probably remember it or find it again.
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Originally posted here by HTRegz
Jst one small reuqest... hit that spell check button before you submit stuff or proof read it.... I hate typos..... and I know many other people do as well..
Heh, sorry had to poke you for that one ;)
anyway, living in Michigan im right by canada and he has a point about 19 year olds going there. I know they go there. Im 20 but i dont drink anymore and when i did i only bought the **** there. Hennessy and vodka are way cheaper in canada. and they have 222s :)
But yea dealing with wasted 19 year olds thinking there the **** is like....torture. Anyway i think you both had a point. And for the whiz kid, not one of those negs came from me :) i figured flaming was more fun and so i did that.
http://www.activewin.com/tips/eeggs/ms_excel.htmlQuote:
Originally posted here by RogueSpy
Wow! What else is hid in MS Office? I remember the Doom style game in Office95
And there was a get away game where u drive a car in the one after that.
Excel 97 - Flight Simulation
On a new Worksheet, Press F5
Type X97:L97 and hit enter
Press the Tab key
Hold Ctrl-Shift
Click on the Chart Wizard toolbar button
Depending on how well your DirectX is intergrated, you will either find yourself in an eerrie lanscape or if you are using Windows 98, you will probably find yourself in a beautiful purple lanscape.
Use mouse to fly around - Right button forward/ Left button reverse
There should be a hidden shrine in the middle with the programmers message.
http://www.activewin.com/tips/eeggs/ms_office.html
A more complete overview (other programs and so)
http://www.activewin.com/tips/eeggs/index.shtml
http://www.eeggs.com/tree/153.html
http://www.eggscentral.com/index.html
Have phun ! :D