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June 21st, 2003, 10:25 PM
EINzTEIN

<HTML>please help me with</HTML>

Hi
This is gonna sound real stupid.
With a HTML creation (i dont know what u call a HTML creater...uhh... i guess its a HTML Programmer,or what??)
I use the 'ol Notepad(its more of an achievement to me, to use Notepad ,rather
than Frontpage or some STUPID HTML tool that takes all of the skill needed,out of HTML)

and well i have 2 questions to ask you friendly ppl:

1)-How do I get 2 sets of texts next to each other????
-I know that if I use Frames it would work,but that would be sloppy design.
-I know that if I use Collumns(and just make it seemless or borderless) it would also work.

So you prob thinking " What is the damn problem then??!".
Well how do i get the 2 sets of texts next to each other without using the above.
I have tried every possible way to get the texts next to each other with using->
<p align> <clear=> etc(only the basic stuff).

Example)

xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxtextSET1xxx xxtextSET2xxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

in place of
Example)

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxTEXTset1xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxTEXTset2xxxxx

I hope this helps.

can u help me,please?????

2)-How do i hide my links target???

Some websites,when you hold the pointer over the link, it displays(in the status bar)
some name or text, and not the real target of the link.

Example)

The REAL link target:"www.worldsex.com"(he he he;))
but the STATUS BAR displays:"click here to see an awesome sit"

How can i do this??
Do i need to learn PERL or smoething??

Thank you for viewing this post-. even if you didn't read the whole thing(i dont blame ya)

Cheers
June 21st, 2003, 10:54 PM
HTRegz

Hey Hey

as for Number 1.... use tables... don't look for another way to do it.. just do it in a table.. that's what they were designed for and that's the best way to do it...

as for number 2.. you are looking for something like this

<a href="www.worldsex.com" onMouseOver="window.status='click here to see an awesome site'; return true" onMouseOut="window.status=''">

[EDIT]
also just a note but this should be located in the web development forum not in GCC.
[/EDIT]
June 21st, 2003, 10:56 PM
noODle

To get the text next to eachother like you pointed out I think the best way is to use tables.
To get a complete description on how this works visit http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/ht...les/table.html
It is a bit hard in the beginning but if youi study it you will get it.
To use the 'link hidding' I think the best way is to use javascript.
I don't know this very well but perhaps someone else can shed some light on that.
BTW http://www.htmlhelp.com/ is a great site for all HTML related things as well as http://www.w3.org/ (this one is more difficult in language imho).

Hope this helps ya out a bit.

edit
I was writing this while HTRegz posted. Still hope it can help out.
June 21st, 2003, 10:58 PM
tampabay420

no, Perl is only Serverside (that means it is run from the server) , while HTML and Javascript are Clientside (meaning they are run from the client)....

Use the <table> tag...

Code:

<table> <tr> <td> Left Text </td> <td> Right Text </td> </tr> </table>

this link might help -> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=HTML+Tutorial
June 22nd, 2003, 02:38 AM
valhallen
ummmmmmm ok let me just recap on something here.....

Quote:

some STUPID HTML tool that takes all of the skill needed,out of HTML

ok so web-builders are stupid and take all the skill out of webdesign? well i use dreamweaver MX and i work as a webdesigner....i can also write my own html code and quite often do but the likes of dreamweaver can speed the whole thing up a hell of alot....

just please dont make the mistake of thinking you l337 cause you write all your own code in notepad - woohoo who cant write html these days?

whats more important than being l337 is being smart - why take 3 hrs to do something in notepad that you can do in 20mins in dreamweaver that looks identical? think about it and then reconsider your last post ;)

by the way a quick answer to your post
tables would def be best way
- <table> - starts a new table
- <tr> - starts a new row
- <td> - starts a new column (cell)
like so

Code:

________ |________| <- a row _ | | | | |_| <- column _______ |___|___| <- 2 cells ( ie 1 row & 2 columns )

ok so not the best drawn example but you get the idea.....

v_Ln

omg you can tell that i wrote this very early in morning....not only did i use [/blue] as a closing tag but i didn't even spot it till now >_<
June 22nd, 2003, 08:52 AM
EINzTEIN

Thank you for the help ppl,its much appreciated.(very good linkz indeed:))

Well ,vanhallen, what I mean is that some stupid idiot that knows nothing about computers, the net or even the basic knowledge needed(KNOWING THY COMPUTER BY KNOWING THYSELF) can jus open M$ Frontpage and walla a "PERFECT" site first time, no struggling with
learning atleast the basic atributes, commands,etc.
Then they go bragging about @ how good they are and blah blah blah blah..

But for you my friend, you know this stuff and using a HTML-builder ,like you said,
would only speed up time,but i am a person that is really ADDICTED to LEARNING(and weed;))

I guess if you can BUILD THE HTML VIA HTML-BUILDER,AND THEN BE ABLE TO OPEN IT IN NOTEPAD AND EDIT IT, there is absalutely nothing wrong with using HTML-Builders,
because you have the knowledge that needed.
June 22nd, 2003, 10:23 AM
Negative

*Moved from GCC*
June 22nd, 2003, 12:52 PM
valhallen

Quote:

can jus open M$ Frontpage and walla a "PERFECT" site first time, no struggling with
learning atleast the basic atributes, commands,etc.

wouldn't agree with that - without being able to manipulate the code yourself and change it round a bit most peps can spot somthing that has been done in a wysiwyg builder straight away. Same as peps who use swish instead of flash any real flash user can spot the preset effects in swish a mile off :)

I started off using wysiwyg (many many moons ago) but wanted to do more than they could accomplish so started writing my own html - but now i still find that a combination of the 2 is best and saves alot of time - but not in frontpage it generates way too much non-sense code

v_Ln
June 22nd, 2003, 09:32 PM
EINzTEIN

Guess your right.

Could you please help me with another thing.
Do you know where i can find gif creation Progz(I am busy checking out DOWNLOAD.com,so i oughta get this now now,but i hate shareware)??
And where can i get GIFs without copryrights(I really dont feel like being SUED by M$??;)
-NOT AGAIN anyways;))
and also WHAT SHOULD I GET TO CONVERT *.bmp TO *.jpg('cause bmp is too DAMN big)??
June 23rd, 2003, 03:34 AM
valhallen

irfan viewer will do batch conversions for ya - look for my post in general chit chat 'free software review' for more info

v_Ln
June 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM
Info Tech Geek

1)-How do I get 2 sets of texts next to each other????

I would just use a table and remove the border or set it to zero so it is not visable.

2)-How do i hide my links target???

I would advise agaist this. It is not good to hide the source. Some people like to know where they are going.
June 29th, 2003, 03:10 PM
Sick Dwarf

NO NO NO NO!!!! DO NOT USE TABLES, THEY ARE THE WRONG WAY TO HANDLE THIS!

Tables will be a bitch to edit when you got complicated layouts, and will provide unnescecery (excuse my english) code for the user to download. Split your site's content from it's layout, by using HTML (only some <div>'s,

's and <span>'s will be required) for the content, and CSS for any layout thingies.

Tables should ONLY be used when you want to create a... uuhmm... table to present data, NOT for layout purposes. Please, any web developer that reads this and still uses tables to define their layout, stop it. Also drop those numerous <font> tags that are in your code.

Let me give a web developer the 2 main reasons to use CSS instead of HTML to define the look of their site.

Seperating Style From Content
If you are used to HTML, you noticed that HTML can define both the style, and content of your site, by using <font>, <table> or similar tags. With these tags, and some artistic sense, you are able to create a quite good looking site. CSS seperates the style from the content. Why is this good?
- The stylish capabilities of HTML are quite limited.
- By keeping the style in a seperate file, you are able to edit your entire site's style, by editing just one file.

Improved Usability
If you started to use CSS, your site would automaticly be more usable. By removing all nasty BODY-attributes and font tags from your HTML pages, and moving these into a single external style sheet, your HTML pages will turn smaller in size, and the style sheet would only need to be downloaded once (as further requests would later be taken from the users cache), and thus your site would load faster.

Also, compared to other nice web technologies (Javascript, ActiveX, etc) your users will not loose any functionality if their browser does not support CSS (which is extremely rare these days). They will just get plain text, your raw content.

Also remember that alot of <font>/<body>/<etc> tags/attributes are browser-specific, so when using CSS, your site will automaticly be more easily read by browsers, and search engine spiders. When using Aural functionality in your CSS files, your site will even be able to talk to blind users.

Make your websites accessable by anyone, not just the people who have the correct browser. Use CSS.
Work faster, cut on traffic costs, and make your sites prettier. Use CSS.

More info on using standard compliant (X)HTML/CSS:
http://www.w3schools.com

To answer your second question, it would be rather useless to do that, as any user checking out your source can get the true destination of a link. Also, it's missleading. I hate sites that make me check out the source to find out where I'm gonna go.

Hope this helped.

Frank.
June 29th, 2003, 03:42 PM
GreekGoddess

EINzTEIN...an elaboration to valhallen's response:

When it comes to gif creation, you have several choices, here are some free ones, including GIMP:
http://www.freebyte.com/graphicprograms/#editors

Or, if you want to invest some money into some really good programs, not that I have a problem with GIMP, it's the best free program out there:

Paint Shop Pro
http://www.jasc.com/products/paintshoppro/
Photoshop
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html
Fireworks
http://www.macromedia.com/software/fireworks/

Any of these programs will allow you to open up a .bmp extension image and resave it to .jpg without use of a converter. If you still insist on using a converter...try these links:

http://jansfreeware.com/jfgraphics.htm#formati
http://www.programmersheaven.com/zon...ageconversion/
http://www.programmersheaven.com/zone16/cat670/

Quote:

Originally posted here by Info Tech Geek
2)-How do i hide my links target???

I would advise agaist this. It is not good to hide the source. Some people like to know where they are going.

I disagree. I talked about some of this in my tutorial on image theft. People are just as likely to steal your links as well as images and you can never be too careful. In fact there's a lot of valid reasons to hide your link targets.

A good tutorial is this:
http://html.ozbytes.net.au/programme...iddenLink.html

And I like the example they give with the MP3...because you'd be surprised at the people out there that will try to steal your bandwidth and link directly to your song. It's dumb, but it's done.

Quote:

The implications of this script is tremendous, because now if you have things you want people to download and don't want anybody linking to it directly you can stop them in their tracks. The only draw back is that if the JavaScript isn't enabled on the user's browser then the links won't work.

Now, this script didn't work for me, because I have a popup killer, which is a problem you'll face, but there are a lot of similar scripts out there that do the same thing a little differently...so you'll have to do some research...try http://www.hotscripts.com for more.

Understand too, that this isn't a foolproof way. The only foolproof way to hide something is to not put it on the net at all.

Hope this helps... :)
June 29th, 2003, 04:37 PM
Sick Dwarf

Quote:

Originally posted here by GreekGoddess
I disagree. I talked about some of this in my tutorial on image theft. People are just as likely to steal your links as well as images and you can never be too careful. In fact there's a lot of valid reasons to hide your link targets.

A good tutorial is this:
http://html.ozbytes.net.au/programme...iddenLink.html

And I like the example they give with the MP3...because you'd be surprised at the people out there that will try to steal your bandwidth and link directly to your song. It's dumb, but it's done.

The script given there doesn't help you at all. It still enables anyone to view the source, and get the page manually, like every other client-based protection. There is NO client-side way to TRUELY protect any HTML links to image/javascript/css files.

The only way to protect the location of a file, is to have it parsed through another file. For instance, the php script below will load an image from the (by .htaccess protected) image/ directory, and display it to the browser.

PHP Code:

<?php // The image to get $image = (isset($_GET['img_id']) ? ($_GET['img_id']) : (0); // Get the image $image = @implode('', @file('./images/' . $_GET['img_id'] . '.gif'); // Display the image echo ($image); ?>

Some image types require a header to be sent before the echo, but any PHP developer will get the general idea. This can also be combined with the session-handling functions you use in your normal pages, so only users with a registered session (making sure they are watching a valid page) can view the image.

The above can also be used as a base to create a function that provides download (I.E. zip files, etc) popups. Why would you 'hide' the link client-based when you can just create 1 server-side PHP script that can protect all your publicly viewable files? You could even serve your entire site through your index.php page if you want, creating urls like http://www.yoursite.com/index.php?page=22. You could also do some neat tricks with apache, to convert the above url to: http://www.yoursite.com/page/22 without creating directories.

Quote:

Originally posted here by GreekGoddess
Understand too, that this isn't a foolproof way. The only foolproof way to hide something is to not put it on the net at all.

LOL, the protecting of links/images/files through Javascript or HTML is kinda outdated, and easily avoidable. Use a server side language, or don't even bother trying at all, IMHO.
June 29th, 2003, 05:25 PM
GreekGoddess

The problem with this though, as reading his other posts, is that he isn't looking for a PHP host, just simplistic hosting, so the idea is right, but the language isn't suitable. Besides, one should learn to walk before running headlong into an unknown language. If you can't make a dropdown menu in javascript, or format a page in tables or CSS...you're definitely NOT going to be jumping into PHP.
June 29th, 2003, 08:01 PM
EINzTEIN

yeah i aint no pro thats for sure, and i am working my way up the languages. what i have done so far is(and this aint all web, and are mostly introduction):HTML,C,C++,PASCAl(yup)
so i'm starting with java in a few dayz, php (i dont even know what the hell that stands for ;) , but i know its a web language or something, where you can use a database online or something( dont bother explaining-> i guess i'm too DUMB to understand,2 this moment anyways;).

So i was just amused by the way that you can munipilate the status bar, that why i wanted to know how i could do that,I HATE it aswell when sites hide their DESTINATION but it could help when you want to give the user more info of where he is headed(I know the ALT text is better, bahhh is experimenting the best way to learn.)

Well thank you all for responding.

have a NICE day
CHEERS
******
June 29th, 2003, 08:47 PM
Sick Dwarf

Quote:

Originally posted here by GreekGoddess
The problem with this though, as reading his other posts, is that he isn't looking for a PHP host, just simplistic hosting, so the idea is right, but the language isn't suitable. Besides, one should learn to walk before running headlong into an unknown language. If you can't make a dropdown menu in javascript, or format a page in tables or CSS...you're definitely NOT going to be jumping into PHP.

Yeah, I kinda got excited there... :)